[m3rxn]

I have the SSTT and it delivers.

[jcarlucci1]

Originally Posted by Jeff@Eurobahn.us

You should decide based on what you are trying to achieve and at what risk. Of course I am partial to our Turbo Tuner but also have recommended people buy other devices if they are looking for more power than the TT can deliver.

Our device was designed to fit a specific customer who was interested in a nice performance bump without risking their warranty. This is what the TT delivers and with well over a thousand on the road and now being sold by several BMW dealerships (2 more coming online next week) there is a certain comfort level

Jeff
Eurobahn

This is very misleading..The TT has just as much risk of voiding a warranty as any other tune available.

[BMW_TT]

JBS2 + R

[ohsnap]

i have been running sstt for a month or so and though the install is a snap, i haven't been that satisifed with the gains. holding out for the helix in the meantime but if i were to do it again, i would have gone with the jb2. i think i will still grab a jb2 and give it shot..

[E90 335i]

The first IM I sent to Terry was a question about JBS2. In 2 minutes he had a response. Since then, I decided to buy a unit solely because Shiv pissed me off with the Happy Meal thing and because Terry's customer service was impeccable, as was his record with customers. I got the product in two days after I ordered it and that was from California. I live in South Florida.

I called Terry three times seperately during the install for random questions. Every three times, he was happy to answer and happy to help. Awesome.

Even now, he is a huge contribution to this forum and I intent to buy every product pertinent to my car that Terry produces.

If you buy the JBS2, I will guarantee you that Terry will provide you with the upmost of customer care. He really is a genuine person that is there to help you.

JBS2 for the win! I would buy nothing else at this point other than an XEDE to be custom tuned!

[RedGT3]

JB2R FTW

[MacDutchski]

Nice thing about the JB2 is that you can add the R switch if you're ever inclined to go just a little faster.

Even with the R switch its less money than the Turbo Tuner. I think the Turbo Tuners main advantage is ease of install.

[SmugM3]

My vote goes to JBS2 - less money and excellent customer service

[Bimmer335i07]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

the jb2R< should pull harder i can believe that. but from testimonials from people who acutally raced them side by side, there even. and the dyno shows about the same thing.
youtube SSTT vs jb2. some videos and there even a thread from the NY (i think) group who did those runs.
just trying to state the facts.

The fact is that if we had enough room to do longer runs maybe 1/4 mile, the JB2 would have pulled probably 1 CL on the SSTT. I should know, I was one of the guys that were doing the testing. And I have owned the SSTT before I went with the JB2.

To the OP, one thing that is great about the JB2 is that if you want more power, you can always add on the R to make it JB2R or if you still need a little more power, you can add on the x ((the pill) edit: the x is still in it's testing phase) which makes it the JB2Rx. Even with everything included, it will still cost less than the SSTT. The ONLY drawback is that, to install the JB2, you will need to get into the DME.

If ease of installation is your BIGGEST concern and you don't really care that much about the gains, then go with the SSTT. The easiest install out of all the piggybacks out there. But if you want more hp/tq like I did, then go with the JB2(R)(x), you WON'T be disappointed! It's the BEST bang for the buck!

[phantom330]

JB is pretty easy to install. I was a little scared doing it because I'm not very good with wires , but it was actually really simple. I took my time and got it done in about 2 hours. I think if I did it again it would take me no more than 30 minutes. I just didn't want to break anything going in the first time, and if you take your time you won't. I say JB all the way.

[5soko]

Originally Posted by Bimmer335i07

The fact is that if we had enough room to do longer runs maybe 1/4 mile, the JB2 would have pulled probably 1 CL on the SSTT. I should know, I was one of the guys that were doing the testing. And I have owned the SSTT before I went with the JB2.

To the OP, one thing that is great about the JB2 is that if you want more power, you can always add on the R to make it JB2R or if you still need a little more power, you can add on the x ((the pill) edit: the x is still in it's testing phase) which makes it the JB2Rx. Even with everything included, it will still cost less than the SSTT. The ONLY drawback is that, to install the JB2, you will need to get into the DME.

If ease of installation is your BIGGEST concern and you don't really care that much about the gains, then go with the SSTT. The easiest install out of all the piggybacks out there. But if you want more hp/tq like I did, then go with the JB2(R)(x), you WON'T be disappointed! It's the BEST bang for the buck!

sorry i dont think that was mentioned at the event thread. there was also another meet with another member im pretty sure it was the same people that did it.

they did rolling runs and it was even. 40 to 100+mph.

i think its just all the fan boys thinking there jb2 is superior to everything else even the procede.
the jb2 has yet to win me over, except for all the lime light it has from fan boys.

i think jeff said it best, the sstt is for a specific market target.

but im here to straight out the facts with everyone who is misleading that the sstt doesnt make as much power or is not as fast. which is 100% incorrect.
if i can make a video this week ill race my freinds jb2 sedan. which everytime we do, were even! or drivers race.

[2e9x's]

What makes me laugh is somebody who complains that the SSTT is hard to install because they broke the clip on the TMAP sensor. Oh great thinking...so now you are going to start pulling the ecu pins apart after disassembling the entire cowl section of the engine compartment? That's safer and easier to install???? Come on...that is illogical.

When I bought my product I looked for ease of install (SSTT is one connection) and safe power gains. Personally, I don't drag race and couldn't care less about 1/4 mile. My car will be auto-x'd (once there are some to attend) and will attend track days (the kind where you turn the steering wheel from time to time). For me, the SSTT was the better choice.

I also looked into the background of the people making the devices. Who are they? What experience do they have? Do your own research and draw your own conclusions but before you strap something onto the engine of your $50,000 car, ask those questions.

When we think about voiding the warranty, we need to remember that the manufacturer bears the burden of proving that the modification caused the damage. They can't LEGALLY just go around randomly voiding warranties because of aftermarket parts. With the SSTT, I think BMW would have a very hard time proving that the device caused ANY damage since it seems to do nothing that the stock car won't do under the right circumstances (if I understand how it works correctly). Might that be why some dealerships are selling the SSTT???

If you start rearranging wires in the stock ECU, and there is a failure related to that, don't you think it would be pretty easy for the manufacturer to prove that the modification caused the damage? JB, Procede or Xede...that is irrelevant. What is important to your warranty is that you took the stock wiring harness apart.

To the OP...I work in Monterey Park. Feel free to come for a ride in my SSTT equipped car. We can install/remove the device in the dark parking garage at work, with just the tools in the trunk (aka none) and with me in my suit. For fun, I will even leave the installation instruction at home. Just drop me a PM and we can arrange it.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by White05X3

What makes me laugh is somebody who complains that the SSTT is hard to install because they broke the clip on the TMAP sensor. Oh great thinking...so now you are going to start pulling the ecu pins apart after disassembling the entire cowl section of the engine compartment? That's safer and easier to install???? Come on...that is illogical.

When I bought my product I looked for ease of install (SSTT is one connection) and safe power gains. Personally, I don't drag race and couldn't care less about 1/4 mile. My car will be auto-x'd (once there are some to attend) and will attend track days (the kind where you turn the steering wheel from time to time). For me, the SSTT was the better choice.

I also looked into the background of the people making the devices. Who are they? What experience do they have? Do your own research and draw your own conclusions but before you strap something onto the engine of your $50,000 car, ask those questions.

When we think about voiding the warranty, we need to remember that the manufacturer bears the burden of proving that the modification caused the damage. They can't LEGALLY just go around randomly voiding warranties because of aftermarket parts. With the SSTT, I think BMW would have a very hard time proving that the device caused ANY damage since it seems to do nothing that the stock car won't do under the right circumstances (if I understand how it works correctly). Might that be why some dealerships are selling the SSTT???

If you start rearranging wires in the stock ECU, and there is a failure related to that, don't you think it would be pretty easy for the manufacturer to prove that the modification caused the damage? JB, Procede or Xede...that is irrelevant. What is important to your warranty is that you took the stock wiring harness apart.

To the OP...I work in Monterey Park. Feel free to come for a ride in my SSTT equipped car. We can install/remove the device in the dark parking garage at work, with just the tools in the trunk (aka none) and with me in my suit. For fun, I will even leave the installation instruction at home. Just drop me a PM and we can arrange it.

While I understand you thoughts, every single one of these piggybacks can void the warranty EQUALLY. The dealer could doesn't even know what a PROcede vs. JB vs. Helix, etc. even means or do they probably care. You modded a car that produced more power to your engine and if something there fails, then they just care that you modded you car to produce more power. To make the argument that one voids the warranty less than the other is simply not solid ground to stand upon.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

While I understand you thoughts, every single one of these piggybacks can void the warranty EQUALLY.......To make the argument that one voids the warranty less than the other is simply not solid ground to stand upon.

+100000

[5soko]

it is much easier to void your warranty from playing with wires in your dme and directly playing with the wires in there, than a simple unit down at the tmap sensor with one easy plug and play.
the turbo tuner is probably the less likely to void you warranty if anything.

i agree 100% with white05x3.. nicely said.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Brisk

the question u should ask urself.
do u want a cheaper/harder install product.
do u want a more expensive/much easier install with more achievements.

Also ask yourself:

Do you want the ability to upgrade? (JB2 -> JB2H(soon) -> JB2R)

Just another thought....

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Brisk

i thought we were speaking for the jb2 and sstt on pump gas, if i missed the op's question than excuse me. but like said there both got there ups and downs, and for a specific market of consumers.

The original question was about JB2 vs SSTT, but I was just giving another thing to think about. Once people get used to the power they usually want more....

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Brisk

absolutely..

but i would guess the PROcede is the next step instead of running race gas with a jb2?

I think the next step of guys on 93 would be the hot pill.

[5soko]

the hot pill adds 1psi? or .5 psi?
if that would in real world only be a slight power increase, and much easier just to go straight to race gas map for a nice bump in power?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

the hot pill adds 1psi? or .5 psi?
if that would in real world only be a slight power increase, and much easier just to go straight to race gas map for a nice bump in power?

Around .5-.75psi, we're still testing it so I'm not exactly sure. On the dyno I picked up ~13rwhp with it. Prob .1th/1mph at the track.

[E90 335i]

I'll be reporting on the pill this week....

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by E90 335i

I'll be reporting on the pill this week....

and that new CAI right?? Looking forward to both....