[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by creaminz

Yep we all filled up with Chevron 91. All Full tank. Will run same, same gas, same mods(for them), same drivers, same road. I will report back

When do you expect the car back?? Now im excited.. LOL

Mike

[creaminz]

I dropped it off today...tomorrow is sunday...monday is holiday... hopefully no later than Thursday

[shockin330i]

Chevron?

[tmdb335]

Originally Posted by creaminz

I dropped it off today...tomorrow is sunday...monday is holiday... hopefully no later than Thursday

your lucky bro. I wont be done with mine until the following week.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Hmm so you dont have dyno logs from the runs after all?? Why would you post such incomplete data?? We should take your word it was 16psi?? where are the logs from the runs on that day?? Time for me to ride you around and harass you a little..

Mike

I did 10 runs that day, the first five or 6 of the 10 had AFR logs. They were done at 14psi on pump. I dumped some 104 in with a 1/4 tank of 93. I had to do some highway pulls in order to get the procede to autotune above 14psi, which it did after 5 or so highway pulls. For the last 4 runs on the dyno I didnt pay for the AFR logs, my mistake. If you dont want to believe me for the time being, thats totally cool. If you want SAE numbers I can post them too, post your SAE correction so we can compare those as well(since you mentioned I had more favorable temps north of florida). Dan(owner) at Mach V Motorsports dyno'd my car and my Procede has never been touched. How could it boost above 16psi if its on the default settings. Im sorry that this caused such drama, it really wasnt my intention. I was simply trying to compare my dyno(stage 3 mods with no meth, 100 octance, at 16psi) to yours with upgraded turbos and meth. I have a baseline of a bone stock car on the graph from the same day on the same dyno. To deny or doubt my numbers is utter nonsense. There were several members from e90post at Mach V motorsports when I did these pulls. I will be sure to pay the extra 25 bucks for all of my runs next time and be sure to datalog everything. I have no problem doing so, I just thought that a baseline bone stock car would be good enough but hey everybody's a critic until they see the hard data.

[creaminz]

Mike r u running off the shelf PROceed V5 turbo upgrade map on the car you tested? Or is it custom tune by Shiv?

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I did 10 runs that day, the first five or 6 of the 10 had AFR logs. They were done at 14psi on pump. I dumped some 104 in with a 1/4 tank of 93. I had to do some highway pulls in order to get the procede to autotune above 14psi, which it did after 5 or so highway pulls. For the last 4 runs on the dyno I didnt pay for the AFR logs, my mistake. If you dont want to believe me for the time being, thats totally cool. If you want SAE numbers I can post them too, post your SAE correction so we can compare those as well(since you mentioned I had more favorable temps north of florida). Dan(owner) at Mach V Motorsports dyno'd my car and my Procede has never been touched. How could it boost above 16psi if its on the default settings. Im sorry that this caused such drama, it really wasnt my intention. I was simply trying to compare my dyno(stage 3 mods with no meth, 100 octance, at 16psi) to yours with upgraded turbos and meth. I have a baseline of a bone stock car on the graph from the same day on the same dyno. To deny or doubt my numbers is utter nonsense. There were several members from e90post at Mach V motorsports when I did these pulls. I will be sure to pay the extra 25 bucks for all of my runs next time and be sure to datalog everything. I have no problem doing so, I just thought that a baseline bone stock car would be good enough but hey everybody's a critic until they see the hard data.

Still not grasping what we're curious to see. We are curious to see Procede logs showing boost and ignition. Not because we don't believe you...because we're curious to see how 16psi produced 445tq. If anything we're praising you. Procede logs are free and that really sucks that the dyno place charges to use a wideband AFR..

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Still not grasping what we're curious to see. We are curious to see Procede logs showing boost and ignition. Not because we don't believe you...because we're curious to see how 16psi produced 445tq. If anything we're praising you. Procede logs are free and that really sucks that the dyno place charges to use a wideband AFR..

Yeah its 75 for an hour and 25 more for the AFR's. I have not yet run the cable through the glove box bc its been like 20-32f for weeks. I CANT STAND IT! I will make sure I hook up the Procede and datalog all of my runs next time, I apologize for not doing so, I am kinda of NOOB when it comes to datalogging, I havent really gotten into the whole inner workings of the piggy and what it does to the dme and how to even read the data. Thats what im trying learn now. I would appreciate any help with the logs when I post them(what they mean, whats good, whats could use imporvement...etc) I hope to make some more runs on the same dyno within a week. Its about an hour and a half away. I just want to make most all of my logs/dynos at the same place so there is no discrepancy in calibration. Hopefully HPF will hurry up and ship me my damn exhaust. They are waiting on a special packaging foam and a local guy to try out the fitment to make sure everything was the same as the prototype. I told um I would do that for um...no such luck lol. Sorry for the confusion, I thought you were saying that my numbers were fake or inflated. Dan's baseline for a bone stock 335 was pretty damn close to the average on a dynojet...right? At least from the ones I have seen.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Yeah its 75 for an hour and 25 more for the AFR's. I have not yet run the cable through the glove box bc its been like 20-32f for weeks. I CANT STAND IT! I will make sure I hook up the Procede and datalog all of my runs next time, I apologize for not doing so, I am kinda of NOOB when it comes to datalogging, I havent really gotten into the whole inner workings of the piggy and what it does to the dme and how to even read the data. Thats what im trying learn now. I would appreciate any help with the logs when I post them(what they mean, whats good, whats could use imporvement...etc) I hope to make some more runs on the same dyno within a week. Its about an hour and a half away. I just want to make most all of my logs/dynos at the same place so there is no discrepancy in calibration. Hopefully HPF will hurry up and ship me my damn exhaust. They are waiting on a special packaging foam and a local guy to try out the fitment to make sure everything was the same as the prototype. I told um I would do that for um...no such luck lol. Sorry for the confusion, I thought you were saying that my numbers were fake or inflated. Dan's baseline for a bone stock 335 was pretty damn close to the average on a dynojet...right? At least from the ones I have seen.

No worries Penn, I wish you hadn't gotten the impression that people are criticising, challenging or not believing your numbers...we just are intrigued that your engine is making such power at only 16psi, and want to know more.

Datalogging is pretty simple once you do it, basically just hit start/stop/save while you're there and review in your time. Make sure when you first set everything up you set up the datalogging channels for what you want to log. (Default will be a few channels you won't care about) so set it up for the common ones such as RPM, Boost, CAN Actual Ign, Ign. Correction, CAN DBW Throttle, Inlet Air Temp, WGDC, AFR Bank 1 and 2, Meth flow if applicable, etc.

The stock 335 dyno results appear in the normal range. $75 actually seems very inexpensive for a full hour of dyno/tuning time..it's normally $60-70 for just 3 pulls around here!! That's lucky you have a shop that prices their dyno time so well.

I/we look forward to see how the next round of dynoing goes.

[Shellacked135i]

Last time I was on a dyno it was $100/HR. AFR was included. Never heard of a shop separating the price. It's probably a marketing tactic to get you in the door with a nice $75 price, then they let you know when you are there that AFR is another $25. BS.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by creaminz

Mike r u running off the shelf PROceed V5 turbo upgrade map on the car you tested? Or is it custom tune by Shiv?

According to Shiv the tune is the shelf V5 Turbo upgrade map if i remember correctly.. The autotune really does work very well.. Even when changed fuels it started out low and as we ran the car more and more the #'s came up as it corrected..

Mike

[creaminz]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

According to Shiv the tune is the shelf V5 Turbo upgrade map if i remember correctly.. The autotune really does work very well.. Even when changed fuels it started out low and as we ran the car more and more the #'s came up as it corrected..

Mike

Thats awesome! Thanks!

[creaminz]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

According to Shiv the tune is the shelf V5 Turbo upgrade map if i remember correctly.. The autotune really does work very well.. Even when changed fuels it started out low and as we ran the car more and more the #'s came up as it corrected..

Mike

Thats awesome! Thanks! Oh and does new turbos needs break-in period before i push more boost?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by Shellacked135i

it was $100/HR. AFR was included.

And to think I have a Innovate A/F ratio monitor for sale for $150...

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by creaminz

Thats awesome! Thanks! Oh and does new turbos needs break-in period before i push more boost?

No sir.. They are ready to go.. Put them on and beat the piss out of them.. LOL

Mike

[335iSSA]

Penn,
Sorry I couldn't stick around and help you get the later runs logged. You know what the numbers were so no worries.
I didn't know Dan was charging for the AFR sniffer? It's worth the trip back b/c the setup there was pretty nice...except the fans. LOL!

Originally Posted by Penn999

I did 10 runs that day, the first five or 6 of the 10 had AFR logs. They were done at 14psi on pump. I dumped some 104 in with a 1/4 tank of 93. I had to do some highway pulls in order to get the procede to autotune above 14psi, which it did after 5 or so highway pulls. For the last 4 runs on the dyno I didnt pay for the AFR logs, my mistake. If you dont want to believe me for the time being, thats totally cool. If you want SAE numbers I can post them too, post your SAE correction so we can compare those as well(since you mentioned I had more favorable temps north of florida). Dan(owner) at Mach V Motorsports dyno'd my car and my Procede has never been touched. How could it boost above 16psi if its on the default settings. Im sorry that this caused such drama, it really wasnt my intention. I was simply trying to compare my dyno(stage 3 mods with no meth, 100 octance, at 16psi) to yours with upgraded turbos and meth. I have a baseline of a bone stock car on the graph from the same day on the same dyno. To deny or doubt my numbers is utter nonsense. There were several members from e90post at Mach V motorsports when I did these pulls. I will be sure to pay the extra 25 bucks for all of my runs next time and be sure to datalog everything. I have no problem doing so, I just thought that a baseline bone stock car would be good enough but hey everybody's a critic until they see the hard data.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

No worries Penn, I wish you hadn't gotten the impression that people are criticising, challenging or not believing your numbers...we just are intrigued that your engine is making such power at only 16psi, and want to know more.

Datalogging is pretty simple once you do it, basically just hit start/stop/save while you're there and review in your time. Make sure when you first set everything up you set up the datalogging channels for what you want to log. (Default will be a few channels you won't care about) so set it up for the common ones such as RPM, Boost, CAN Actual Ign, Ign. Correction, CAN DBW Throttle, Inlet Air Temp, WGDC, AFR Bank 1 and 2, Meth flow if applicable, etc.

The stock 335 dyno results appear in the normal range. $75 actually seems very inexpensive for a full hour of dyno/tuning time..it's normally $60-70 for just 3 pulls around here!! That's lucky you have a shop that prices their dyno time so well.

I/we look forward to see how the next round of dynoing goes.

Thanks, again sorry for the misunderstanding. I just have worked my ass of for all of these parts and the research that goes into every part. When someone questioned me, its just natural for me to get defensive. Thanks for the help on the datalogging, I will def. look into more of this b4 I head back to the dyno. Its $75 for 3 or 4 pulls $25 to include AFRs, same as yours. Dan was really cool about the prices and he allowed me more than enough pulls for what I paid for. Whats a normal tq range for a stage 3 no meth on 100 octane? Also Dans stock car was right on with other 335's...right?

Originally Posted by 335iSSA

Penn,
Sorry I couldn't stick around and help you get the later runs logged. You know what the numbers were so no worries.
I didn't know Dan was charging for the AFR sniffer? It's worth the trip back b/c the setup there was pretty nice...except the fans. LOL!

Its cool, I appreciate you showing me how to do it anyway. I just dont wanna mess anything up bc its my DD. If it were my race car, I would be taking stuff off and doing more tooling around. If I couldnt fix it for a few days...no big deal, but it is and I need it everyday. I do bolt on stuff, ecu stuff worries me a bit more. I might come back this sat. I want to do the full hour again(which is 3 to 4 runs) and do the logs and the Procede.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Thanks, again sorry for the misunderstanding. I just have worked my ass of for all of these parts and the research that goes into every part. When someone questioned me, its just natural for me to get defensive. Thanks for the help on the datalogging, I will def. look into more of this b4 I head back to the dyno. Its $75 for 3 or 4 pulls $25 to include AFRs, same as yours. Dan was really cool about the prices and he allowed me more than enough pulls for what I paid for. Whats a normal tq range for a stage 3 no meth on 100 octane? Also Dans stock car was right on with other 335's...right?

It's cool. No worries, we're all here to learn, expand and grow our knowledge on these things we care so much about. I guess those shop/dyno rates are inline with the average. FWIW, I'm getting apx. an hour of dyno time -> 2 hours time on a lift for me to swap out my 2.5" DPs for 3" -> another hour of dyno time for ~$200, which I think is an extremely good deal considering it's normally $75 for 3 pulls. I'm going to be getting data from 2.5"dps, 3"dps, N/A mode, the new (post 12-17) maps, etc. so I'm excited to see the results.

As for normal tq for FBO and 16psi, assuming timing is maxed out, I'd say 390-400hp and 400-420tq. sounds about right. However, with pure 100 octane will let you autotune up to 17-18-19psi, depending on conditions. At higher boost, you'll see significant more power. For example, I ran 18.5-19 psi on race gas with timing maxed and rock solid, and got 422hp and 468tq. (FBO no meth)

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

It's cool. No worries, we're all here to learn, expand and grow our knowledge on these things we care so much about. I guess those shop/dyno rates are inline with the average. FWIW, I'm getting apx. an hour of dyno time -> 2 hours time on a lift for me to swap out my 2.5" DPs for 3" -> another hour of dyno time for ~$200, which I think is an extremely good deal considering it's normally $75 for 3 pulls. I'm going to be getting data from 2.5"dps, 3"dps, N/A mode, the new (post 12-17) maps, etc. so I'm excited to see the results.

As for normal tq for FBO and 16psi, assuming timing is maxed out, I'd say 390-400hp and 400-420tq. sounds about right. However, with pure 100 octane will let you autotune up to 17-18-19psi, depending on conditions. At higher boost, you'll see significant more power. For example, I ran 18.5-19 psi on race gas with timing maxed and rock solid, and got 422hp and 468tq. (FBO no meth)

Awesome, I look forward to your results, Big Tom and I were debating the diff. a while back. Whatever the max psi(thought it was 16) for the V4 firmware 29 is what I was running. It showed 16psi on my fuel gauge, I tried to get a video of it but Dan wouldnt let me that close to the dyno LOL. I am doing only pump 93 shell this next run so Im interested to see the diff. with the 100 octane. Do you think it will be a lot diff?? I didnt think so bc it would be at the same psi...or at least it has been at 16psi ever since I left the shop. When are you going to do those pulls?

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Awesome, I look forward to your results, Big Tom and I were debating the diff. a while back. Whatever the max psi(thought it was 16) for the V4 firmware 29 is what I was running. It showed 16psi on my fuel gauge, I tried to get a video of it but Dan wouldnt let me that close to the dyno LOL. I am doing only pump 93 shell this next run so Im interested to see the diff. with the 100 octane. Do you think it will be a lot diff?? I didnt think so bc it would be at the same psi...or at least it has been at 16psi ever since I left the shop. When are you going to do those pulls?

Depending on the quality of the fuel, I would think with good 93 octane, timing at 16psi should be close to maxed out, in other words zero ign. correction. Therefore, it would lead me to think your power shouldn't be much less than your previous runs.

My day at the shop has been delayed a few times already due to snow, shop heater being broken, 'something came up', etc. Hopefully Tuesday night, but likely not til next weekend.

[tmdb335]

they just came in . Should have results soon. Just waiting on my V5 now.

Thanks Mike

[secretsquirrel]

^^^nice. I can't wait to see your results.