[normtrum]

Originally Posted by Magna3

I'm with you guys, this is horse crack! $150 is too much. We should all boycott the V2 upgrade. To teach Shiv a lesson everyone here should NOT log onto the Vishnu website at 12:00 pst on Tuesday!

I will take it upon myself to send a complaint directly to Vishnu, at 12:00, on Tuesday, by way of credit card.

That was a good one.

[335iheLLraiseR]

i guess people couldn't find another way to get this thread to 30+ pages, so they came up with this lame $150, "its not fair" excuse.

[revah2]

Originally Posted by M3to335

His complaints arent that far fetched. That is one hell of an expensive harness. Maybe the wiring is made of gold and diamonds and made by Jesus himself?

Honestly, 1/2 the people on this forum seem to throw money into the wind. It could be $1000 and people would pay it.

[val3ntin3s]

Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

...... It's like people saying, "oh you drive a Bimmer, you must be rich."

BTW, those mochas are good But I've been getting them for free lately... Discover Card Cashback bonus

but that quote about Bimmer annoys me too.... and +1 on the "free" mochas.... quotes cuz we'd have to pay a hella lot on gas to get those mochas....

k now back to the unfair PROcede drama

[Bubbarossa]

Originally Posted by Ninjaneer

My post was about the statement I've heard many people make, "if you can afford $XXX why complain about $YYY." It wasn't really about this PROcede upgrade or video games specifically. In other words, just because you can afford something expensive doesn't justify having to spend on something else if that person thinks it's not worth the price tag.

It's like people saying, "oh you drive a Bimmer, you must be rich."

Oh well, it's just a personal pet peeve. Back to our regularly scheduled PROcede program...

BTW, those mochas are good But I've been getting them for free lately... Discover Card Cashback bonus

you're right, those mochas are good!

[NPDAN]

Originally Posted by Magna3

I'm with you guys, this is horse crack! $150 is too much. We should all boycott the V2 upgrade. To teach Shiv a lesson everyone here should NOT log onto the Vishnu website at 12:00 pst on Tuesday!

I will take it upon myself to send a complaint directly to Vishnu, at 12:00, on Tuesday, by way of credit card.

Im gonna complain with paying as well with a visa

[RiXst3r]

After reading all this, it makes me feel somewhat free from all the past bashing, flaming, and attacks I received when I said that there was no way v2 , or any of the proposed v2 features like speed related items or things that require extra wires would be free... long threads of people saying "your an idiot, shiv said it would be free", and nothing I could say would convince anyone otherwise... we even had people saying that they fully expected shiv to send them free wires or harness updates...

Now the truth comes out, and I am not complaining about the price one single bit... because I fully expected it.... everyone else needs to just start realizing that they are about to get another 40 horsepower for only 150 bucks... thats friggen sweet!

[normtrum]

RIXst3r - when you're right you're right! You have been saying it since day 1. I will def give you that.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

After reading all this, it makes me feel somewhat free from all the past bashing, flaming, and attacks I received when I said that there was no way v2 , or any of the proposed v2 features like speed related items or things that require extra wires would be free... long threads of people saying "your an idiot, shiv said it would be free", and nothing I could say would convince anyone otherwise... we even had people saying that they fully expected shiv to send them free wires or harness updates...

Now the truth comes out, and I am not complaining about the price one single bit... because I fully expected it.... everyone else needs to just start realizing that they are about to get another 40 horsepower for only 150 bucks... thats friggen sweet!

Haha but you are saying, "I told you so." Move on man.

Anyways, we'll see how much hp v2 actually is. I'm not convinced it will be rwhp until I see it on the dyno (before and after on the same day).

[e36jakeo]

$150 = the amount of rubber I'll burn off my rear tires the first time I drive with V2!!:rocks:

[uberschnell]

Im gonna complain with paying as well with a visa

Yes, together we'll teach him a lesson he soon won't forget!

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Haha but you are saying, "I told you so." Move on man.

Anyways, we'll see how much hp v2 actually is. I'm not convinced it will be rwhp until I see it on the dyno (before and after on the same day).

I thought about that... but it was a risk I was willing to take

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by Magna3

I'm with you guys, this is horse crack! $150 is too much. We should all boycott the V2 upgrade. To teach Shiv a lesson everyone here should NOT log onto the Vishnu website at 12:00 pst on Tuesday!

I will take it upon myself to send a complaint directly to Vishnu, at 12:00, on Tuesday, by way of credit card.

+1 Brilliant answer ill take it upon myself to complain with you i have my credit card at the ready

[retrodrive]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

After reading all this, it makes me feel somewhat free from all the past bashing, flaming, and attacks I received when I said that there was no way v2 , or any of the proposed v2 features like speed related items or things that require extra wires would be free... long threads of people saying "your an idiot, shiv said it would be free", and nothing I could say would convince anyone otherwise... we even had people saying that they fully expected shiv to send them free wires or harness updates...

Now the truth comes out, and I am not complaining about the price one single bit... because I fully expected it.... everyone else needs to just start realizing that they are about to get another 40 horsepower for only 150 bucks... thats friggen sweet!

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by normtrum

RIXst3r - when you're right you're right! You have been saying it since day 1. I will def give you that.

I just always knew that there is no way shiv can cost effectively provide free v2 upgrades for the close to 1000 procedes he has out there without using a ton a resources, and eating up all his profit margin. Wires and harnesses aside, the support costs and time spent helping people upgrade and processing all the orders, then fixing problems as they arise is going to be the biggest cost to them IMHO. Not to mention all the hours he has already spent developing v2, and paying people to program the new custom firmware and pc software....

v2 is a major leap ahead. With v1, there was nothing *huge* to set them apart from the XEDE... as shiv said, "The Xede can control fuel, timing and boost. Due to hardware limitations, it will never be able to support VANOS control, raise speed limiters, offer gear dependant boost control or anything that requires more digital inputs/outputs."

With v1, he basically took the concept he used when he first tuned the XEDE, and moved it to his custom "PROcede" platform. Now with v2 he has actually used all those extra inputs and outputs that the procede has that the xede does not... he is directly driving the wastegates, so no more need for the solenoid bypass like the old procede and xede, and also no more limp mode or boost spikes... he is doing speed related items, and he is probably also controlling VANOS, and then has also implemented a "switchless" map switch... probably using some combination of ignition off and gas pedal position.

All this stuff is a major update, its like a new box... all the potential is going to leap out, and pass the competition.

Very exciting stuff... as shiv said, you dont get to release something this cool very often, so he wants to do it right. If he needs 150 bucks and some extra time to do it right, thats fine with me! (just keep your word when you say you are going to post some info )


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Here is some good info about the Digital Inputs and Outputs of the PROcede compared to the XEDE. Keep in mind, shiv has tuned both, so he knows. Also, keep in mind that the v1 procede controls the same stuff as the XEDE, but procede v1 has tons of unused inputs and ouputs.... using them requires more wires in the harness..., hence the need for the v2 upgrade harness.

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Regarding Digital Input/Outputs

1) VANOS control. Lachlan says he has not seen any gains. I have. You take your pick and ask when has VVT not been helpful in tuning a turbo car. You'll need at least 1 pair on digital inputs/outputs to phase change the CAS.

2) Speed limiter defeat. Requires the use of both a digital input and output. The input to read the orginal vehicle speed sensor and the output to generate a modified signal based upon the input.

3) Wastegate control. To drive the wastegate solenoids, a pair of inputs/ouputs will also be needed.

4) Timing control. Need both input and output.

So to control all of the above, you will need 4 digital inputs and 4 digital outputs.

PROcede has 4 digital inputs and 4 digital outputs
Xede has 1 digital input and 2 digital outputs last I checked.

[Lee Rambler]

so if someone has a problem with the $150 for the "free" update (by the way, the new features that have been added were origionally advertised as features way back when I origionally ordered one), and they choose not to do it, then they are stuck with the limp mode prone existing version? that hardly seems fair. why should existing users have to pay to have their unit work right? seems like there needs to be a fix for the existing map as well for those not willing to pay.

this is a mute argument for me, as I don't have a procede. for what it's worth I do think that updates on the same platform (ie procede vs xede) should be free since they were advertised that way. if they want to call it an upgrade to hardware, then they should require it be sent back to be upgraded, much as they are going to do with the "black". if I choose to get one (waiting to see what actual real world performance is, ie 1/4 mile trap speeds before I decide if I want to switch from the tt) I'll gladly pay the price knowing what it is going into it.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Lee Rambler

this is a mute argument for me,

mute?

[Lee Rambler]

moot, sorry

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by 2007_E93

Don't mean to push anyone's buttons but it does say UPDATE ,...Not UPGRADE. I see it no different than buying something like operating system software (Win XP) and getting all the updates for free but if you want (Win Vista) you gotta pay for the "UPGRADE". I think that's why it v2 and not v1.5.

Just my .02.

EDIT: Just read Cheluto2's post,...my point exactly. Sure it would be nice for free but not realistic.

+10

[e.n335]

Some have trust, some don't. If you have problems not knowing enough to spend the $150 for the upgrade wait until the infos are released and buy when you are ready. Or don't buy. AFAIK V1.47LBT is stable in any 335i. I ordered my e93 without having seen it in reality, knowing it will be a great car. The same I will do with the V2 upgrade on Tue, 12h00 PST.

The PROcede V2 sounds like a great evolution step. Maybe we will need one or two further minor releases until everything will be perfect. However, simply the best product available.

My 2 cents.

Cheers
Eugen

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Lee Rambler

so if someone has a problem with the $150 for the "free" update (by the way, the new features that have been added were origionally advertised as features way back when I origionally ordered one), and they choose not to do it, then they are stuck with the limp mode prone existing version?

Limp mode prone?

[turbocoins]

Originally Posted by Lee Rambler

so if someone has a problem with the $150 for the "free" update (by the way, the new features that have been added were origionally advertised as features way back when I origionally ordered one), and they choose not to do it, then they are stuck with the limp mode prone existing version? that hardly seems fair. why should existing users have to pay to have their unit work right? seems like there needs to be a fix for the existing map as well for those not willing to pay.

this is a mute argument for me, as I don't have a procede. for what it's worth I do think that updates on the same platform (ie procede vs xede) should be free since they were advertised that way. if they want to call it an upgrade to hardware, then they should require it be sent back to be upgraded, much as they are going to do with the "black". if I choose to get one (waiting to see what actual real world performance is, ie 1/4 mile trap speeds before I decide if I want to switch from the tt) I'll gladly pay the price knowing what it is going into it.

11,000 miles with Procede. No limp modes. No CELs.