[IEDEI]

BMW is broken. Lost the plot.

[ORIGIN M.]

After so many ponies 2 wheel drive becomes worthless in more ways than one.

Performance based rear biased xDrive with active rear diff makes complete sense to me.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

After so many ponies 2 wheel drive becomes worthless in more ways than one.

Performance based rear biased xDrive with active rear diff makes complete sense to me.

Reducing weight and size to gain performance and not worrying about astronomical horsepower gains makes even more sense to me.

[nick3753]

Originally Posted by aajami

Reducing weight and size to gain performance and not worrying about astronomical horsepower gains makes even more sense to me.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

It's not the same engine exactly. E70 X5M uses the O0 revision, F10 M5 uses T0, and F85/F86 will come with T2, so I would expect about 10hp/10lbs bump. This is in line with F15 using the same engines as E70, benefiting instead from lighter weight and improved drivetrain. And it's been the norm for a very long time now for BMW to use the same engine with minor variations in many different models.

No idea what kind of transmission will be there - the source doesn't specify that.

For many that's the same engine, yeah, there are some variation, but basically it's the same.

People wants model specific dedicated M engines, but that is just unlikely to happen anymore.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by aajami

Reducing weight and size to gain performance and not worrying about astronomical horsepower gains makes even more sense to me.

yes. thank you!

the HP wars are worthless if these cars can't control their power......

[smithf80]

I don't get why you people (who are complaining) wouldn't want a proper performance based AWD system so you can actually put some of that power on the ground...

[BMW M3 CRT]

Any word known about:

• F80 M3 CRT
• B48 .30i PPK with 272-286bhp

???

[ynguldyn]

No more info on M3 CRT besides those old hints it might exist.

B48 PPK is not there yet.

Just got reliable info that F90 is indeed 2018 intro. Looking back, bmwblog's F90 reporting over the past several months has been spot on.

[vladislav]

Originally Posted by smithf32

I don't get why you people (who are complaining) wouldn't want a proper performance based AWD system so you can actually put some of that power on the ground...

For me it is not all about going off the line - it is about feeling of the car. You can feel understeer/oversteer better than in awd like you are in kart( kart is basicly rwd Car is lighter and it has not torque steer which i hate especially in powerful premium cars. Weight distirbution is affected. And you can not powerlide car or drift even with 70:30 . Of course you can but it is very dangerous( reqires high speed) and difficult( awd torque distirbution is unpredictable)

[Pentium]

AWD M5?

[Gonven]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No idea. If that engine happens, it won't be any time soon.

ynguldyn any word about a possible X4M? Thanks.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by aajami

Reducing weight and size to gain performance and not worrying about astronomical horsepower gains makes even more sense to me.

700 HP at the rear wheel should cover it then.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

ynguldyn what car model will be the first to get the S58 engine...

Will this happen on the last of the F82 M4 production cars?

No chance of that, IMHO. There's nothing wrong with the S55. And if there were, switching to the new architecture alone wouldn't improve the situation. The new B* engine family is about lower costs through more shared parts. But you'd negate that with all the money spent on M-ifying what would now be two engines for a single car.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No idea. If that engine happens, it won't be any time soon.

Agree. Next M3/M4 seems plausible. I think Power eDrive is a likely pairing with the S58 too, maybe in a future, post G generation M5.

Originally Posted by Gonven

ynguldyn any word about a possible X4M? Thanks.

Given the age of the current generation X3/X4, that's going to wait for Gxx.

However, with the timing of the X3 vs. the 3, it seems at least possible the G generation X3 M, if it will exist, which I give a good shot, could predate the G generation M3.

[Nordkeyz73]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

700 HP at the rear wheel should cover it then.

Totally agree with Mr.Sauerkraut, you reach a practical limit with what rear-wheel drive can do with today's power.

[hyperboost]

wow!

[Glina]

Originally Posted by LDSM

Because BMW thinks all we americans care about is 0-60 times

No, because Europe has better, more intelligent drivers.

[dsad1]

Originally Posted by aajami

Reducing weight and size to gain performance and not worrying about astronomical horsepower gains makes even more sense to me.

I would agree with you on an m4, or m6 coupe.

But this is a "family sedan", reducing size isn't really an option, and reducing weight is difficult because people buying this car want the luxury and amenities it offers.

[undecided]

Originally Posted by djsaad1

I would agree with you on an m4, or m6 coupe.

But this is a "family sedan", reducing size isn't really an option, and reducing weight is difficult because people buying this car want the luxury and amenities it offers.

What I am saying is, what if it's capable from going 0% FWD depending on conditions? And, what if it uses a lot of CF to keep weight down? Of course, based on current bloating trend you may be skeptical but you guys are right, if the car weighs north of 4000lbs it is DOA for most enthusiasts.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Gonven

ynguldyn any word about a possible X4M? Thanks.

Not this generation.

[VCP]

Agree. We are at the point now that to push the cars to the limit, all wheel drive is needed. I would love this on the F82.

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

After so many ponies 2 wheel drive becomes worthless in more ways than one.

Performance based rear biased xDrive with active rear diff makes complete sense to me.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by VCP

Agree. We are at the point now that to push the cars to the limit, all wheel drive is needed. I would love this on the F82.

Seems to work just fine for the Z06 and Viper ACR both on track and in a straight line . You just need good traction control systems and wide rubber , with efficient aero for the track . It's no accident that big horsepower rwd cars with aero are the fastest on track by far. People are delusional thinking awd will improve BMW's performance vs the competition . BMW needs to move to a modern double wishbone suspension , and actually make a significantly lighter car . The main reason the M3/4/5/6 have bad traction is the stupidly short gearing to limit the feeling of turbo lag . The reason they get beaten on track is because they are behind on chassis and suspension tech . It's sad day when a ATS-V has a better chassis and suspension than any BMW M car .