My Open Source N54 DME Flashing Project

Wedge1967 · 07-02-2013, 06:13 PM

Well boyz, I was wrong. I got my first look at the new Open Flash... Let me tell you, her face is much easier to look at than my old tune. Covers more of the hood with a great back-end spread for easy access and diagnostics. Nice thing is the front & back end can be flash upgraded. How many of you have a tune that can't be upgraded or has just got fat like my old tune?

As much as I love my old piggy tune, she has put on a few pounds over the years and she just has to go. Thank god she already found a new home.

WesleyC · 07-02-2013, 06:25 PM

What the hell is going on in here?

Jim2214 · 07-02-2013, 06:37 PM

I just saw that this has finally progressed to this level. Major respect to rombinhood and everyone else involved. I am anxiously awaiting your announcement. If this turn out like I hope that it will my decision to stick wi the n54 will have been worth it.

OpenFlash · 07-02-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

What the hell is going on in here?

I sent a text to Wedge this morning with a couple pics of the new device. I guess he got excited

Wedge1967 · 07-02-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I sent a text to Wedge this morning with a couple pics of the new device. I guess he got excited

Was it that obvious?

E90Company · 07-02-2013, 06:46 PM

Lol!

klipseracer · 07-02-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wedge1967

If it turns out anything like your photo, I think everyone will forget whether or not the source is open or closed. As for her, I like it open.

Makes me want to be an STI air scoop right about now.

joec500 · 07-02-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I sent a text to Wedge this morning with a couple pics of the new device. I guess he got excited

I can't wait to pickup my car!

Damn BART Strike!

Wedge1967 · 07-02-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by klipseracer

If it turns out anything like your photo, I think everyone will forget whether or not the source is open or closed. As for her, I like it open.

Makes me want to be an STI air scoop right about now.

Regardless, options are always better than no options. I think Open Source is a little misleading as most people think of Open Source as FREE. So setting the level of expectation a little high doesn't do anyone any good. But we can always dream about a new hood scoop. Personally, I'm impressed with what I've seen so far. I'm sure everyone will have feedback and request additional options as I already did...

OpenFlash · 07-02-2013, 08:03 PM

The term open source, in the world of ECU tuning, usually refers to open source map editing. Meaning that the DME is read/written in unencrypted format and that an open source map editor is used to make changes. The open source map editor (tuner pro, rom raider, ecuflash, etc,.) is different from a closed source map editor (Cobb ATR for instance) in that the locations of the tables (in the ROM) are clearly defined. As well as the axis scaling. Open source map editors also give the user the flexibility to find/define more maps on their own. Therein lies is the advantage of having an open source community. You put dozens of people together on the task of finding/understanding new maps and you will see progress. Quickly. But I'm happy to say that right off the bat, the starting point for the open source map editor used with the Rombinhood device is better than anything else we've seen for the N54 market. Think ATR... on steroids. Of course, I'm a little biased. But you'll see in 2 days

The Subaru and the Evo markets have had open source options for years now. And the description above is accurate and applicable. The user still has to purchase hardware (albeit relatively inexpensive compare to conventional closed source flashing solutions).

Shiv

Glowin · 07-02-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Well boyz, I was wrong. I got my first look at the new Open Flash... Let me tell you, her face is much easier to look at than my old tune. Covers more of the hood with a great back-end spread for easy access and diagnostics. Nice thing is the front & back end can be flash upgraded. How many of you have a tune that can't be upgraded or has just got fat like my old tune?

As much as I love my old piggy tune, she has put on a few pounds over the years and she just has to go. Thank god she already found a new home.
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I'm afraid to ask what's going to happen to the value of my Procede upon resale...

Lunatic Fringe · 07-02-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

I'm afraid to ask what's going to happen to the value of my Procede upon resale...

There's another recent thread where someone is asking questions about their new Rev3 unit and Robert@Vishnu's response states that new PROcede maps/firmware will be released on July 4th. Reading between the lines, seems like PROcede functionality is going to improve with Rombinhood's device as well.

If I were a stock turbo PROcede user, I would purchase Rombinhood's device and run them in parallel first. Hopefully flah mapping will be created that can control boost 100% effectively, because that remains an obvious piggy advantage. Until we see some major breakthroughs in ECU discovery, you'll always be better off running a flash and piggy in tandem.

klipseracer · 07-02-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The term open source, in the world of ECU tuning, usually refers to open source map editing.

I can get behind this definition. Thank you. I'm a very literal person.

OpenFlash · 07-02-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic Fringe

There's another recent thread where someone is asking questions about their new Rev3 unit and Robert@Vishnu's response states that new PROcede maps/firmware will be released on July 4th. Reading between the lines, seems like PROcede functionality is going to improve with Rombinhood's device as well.

If I were a stock turbo PROcede user, I would purchase Rombinhood's device and run them in parallel first. Hopefully flah mapping will be created that can control boost 100% effectively, because that remains an obvious piggy advantage. Until we see some major breakthroughs in ECU discovery, you'll always be better off running a flash and piggy in tandem.

The truth. I've been working on flash-only tunes for some time now. And even custom tuning doesn't provide the same boost response/stability/modularity of an off-the-shelf procede map. The two used together are greater than the sum of their individual components. There is also going to be some good functionality that will bridge the communication gap between piggy and flash coming down the road soon.

Shiv

fr3nch2 · 07-02-2013, 09:31 PM

So do we at least have a rough estimate as to what the cost may be yet? I know it was previously stated that it would be relatively inexpensive compared to others but is that BMW inexpensive or normal like Honda inexpensive lol

Kabnine · 07-02-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fr3nch2

So do we at least have a rough estimate as to what the cost may be yet? I know it was previously stated that it would be relatively inexpensive compared to others but is that BMW inexpensive or normal like Honda inexpensive lol

If it is going to be Honda inexpensive I am going to need to sell my BMW just for the parts...... Over here Honda parts are expensive as hell.

Now, Datsun inexpensive is something I could get behind.

._. · 07-02-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabnine

If it is going to be Honda inexpensive I am going to need to sell my BMW just for the parts...... Over here Honda parts are expensive as hell.

Now, Datsun inexpensive is something I could get behind.

this, need to know how much to budget.

OpenFlash · 07-02-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by R 4 5 T 4 M 4 N

this, need to know how much to budget.

2 days

andrew1182 · 07-02-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

2 days

Blind pre-order link? I suspect supply restrictions.

Kabnine · 07-02-2013, 10:07 PM

Its weird, I originally had images of etching my own circuit boards to take an IC that would be programmed via laptop. I can't say as I was especially looking forward to making my own board again..... I think the last thing I made was a Satellite TV card reader.

Wedge1967 · 07-02-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

I'm afraid to ask what's going to happen to the value of my Procede upon resale...

Well, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. You might want full price, but in reality you're going to take a small hit, but don't take offers from the low ballers. You'll find a lot of people that want something for nothing and as far as I'm concerned, they will get nothing.

I'm interested to see what's new from Vishnu as it's been awhile and they have done a lot of R&D. Maybe we will see a Rev 4 soon.

feedmyfast · 07-03-2013, 01:33 AM

I just came across this thread today and have been glued. I guess I stumbled on it at the right time LOL. Too bad my GF is going to be pissed (she has a N55), looks like I get to save some money and tune my car the way I want to thanks to Rombinhood and Shiv. Only 1 day left!!!

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Wedge1967 Banned 125 Rep 2,172 Posts Drives: '07 e92 AT Sport Montego Blue Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (3)	Well boyz, I was wrong. I got my first look at the new Open Flash... Let me tell you, her face is much easier to look at than my old tune. Covers more of the hood with a great back-end spread for easy access and diagnostics. Nice thing is the front & back end can be flash upgraded. How many of you have a tune that can't be upgraded or has just got fat like my old tune? As much as I love my old piggy tune, she has put on a few pounds over the years and she just has to go. Thank god she already found a new home.
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Jim2214 New Member 0 Rep 14 Posts Drives: 07 335i Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Phila PA iTrader: (0)	I just saw that this has finally progressed to this level. Major respect to rombinhood and everyone else involved. I am anxiously awaiting your announcement. If this turn out like I hope that it will my decision to stick wi the n54 will have been worth it.
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