[JDG]

Originally Posted by dixy2k

So you guys are in without a price point and labor estimate?

Were in, but no one has put anything in yet. I doubt it will be absurd but if it is no one has lost anything. This seems like a serious guage of interest to me.

[Kakalika]

Hmmm, Just wondering. Will gutting the canister have the same effect as a downpipe? . Maybe that is all that is needed.

[JDG]

Originally Posted by Kakalika

Hmmm, Just wondering. Will gutting the canister have the same effect as a downpipe? . Maybe that is all that is needed.

Wont be exactly the same but its what many others have done. Looks factory so they pass the visual.

[2deerwhistlers]

Originally Posted by dixy2k

So you guys are in without a price point and labor estimate?

I'm in it looking at the European price..and labor costs? That's just a little sweat and blood brah!

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Cuda STAN has made his point the ONLY way Im in is w/o the tune, i hv already invested with RENNtech to many years to jump ship. I cannot denigrate STAN cause he is a professional as well as I am and I do understand his point but for some of us who hv already tunes it detracts our pockets and faith to our tuners. Yes he states the TURBO issue or whatever, BUT again I state my case this is an AFTERMARKET part (not certified either by EPA/CARB/CAFE)in which we cannot sue the company cause it is more intended for OFF ROAD USE therefore, correct me ANYONE if Im wrong this LAWSUIT or LIABILITY will not go

IM in only if STAN decides to work with us already tuned, dont get me wrong we SHOULD thank TDi and STAN for this project that NO ONE wanted to bother with and YES I will put them out in the street that is Evolve JB and mines truly RENNtech.

The funny thing here is that RENNtech and Ecotune have the SAME slogan "Performance with out compromise" only that Ecotune uses 3 dots after Performance, that said, if you look at their website as i did this morning they do sell downpipes for other vehicles in Europe WITHOUT their tune and of course they also sell with tunes.

I started this thread so we all could envision of a possibility that SOEMONE could help us and that was TDi and STAN but now we are for some of us restricted in purchasing a product we all want. I wanted to see if Ecotune can show some dynos from his US Version performed by their US based company and to this date NADA!! has been provided. I know some of you are skeptical and have not voiced your grunt.I have nothing to loose and nothing to gain, Im merely another customer trying to help another person, if STAN does not want to sell it individually I will concede his marketing ploy. Otherwise, I will sit and wait.

If you look in their main page THERE is no mention of the US Version 335d downpipe(BTW there is mention of the MAZDA Diesel and the 5 series and 3 series 320d/330d) in the latest news or even in the site, I might be wrong but I looked and looked and couldnt find it.

I hope everyone has beautiful day its going to be 80 degrees CLEAR Blue skies here in Puerto Rico !!!!

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Kalika I beleive STANS product eliminates the lower end of the DPF(besides other things) which is restricted to about 2" oem from 3" but will hv all the plugs available. Still yet to see any visuals on the product we want and cant see LOL

[2deerwhistlers]

The product isn't available to see on the website because it's not completed yet.. Also it seems the entire u.s. Dpf delete clientele is right here.. No need to advertise something that the EPA shuns.. Stan told us last week he was finishing it as well as opening another location for his business... I'm sure he's a busy dude..

[Puerto Rican 335d]

amigo deer I started this thread and I say what I feel is correct albiet some feel offended i careless, Ecotune has a vehicle ALREADY modded here in the USA according to STAN'S own word. So its suffice to say the least, the product should be posted in their website as saying "IN the works a DPF pipe for U.S. customers" but nothing to that agenda only mentioned MAZDA's DIESEL is BTW mentioned.

That said then as you stated "EPA shuns", the product is an AFTERMARKET OFF ROAD USE item then and we have to sign a disclosure that this item will NOT be implemented on a US Emission Vehicle and ONLY for OFF ROAD use therefore there is NO LIABILITIES, anyone please correct me if Im wrong.

Again have a nice day its 80 clear blue skies in Puerto Rico

[geko29]

Originally Posted by sergiy'd

they check ready status in IL with this parameters: egr, o2 sensors, overall readiness of your computer. So if you have this turned off via tune the computer is not going to be ready for the test

Incorrect. All diesel passenger vehicles are exempt in IL:

Originally Posted by Illinois Air Team Exemptions

The following vehicles are exempt from vehicle emissions tests:
Diesel-powered vehicles and vehicles that are powered exclusively by electricity;

source

Originally Posted by Illinois Air Team FAQs

Q. Why doesn't this program test diesel powered vehicles?
A. The federal Clean Air Act does not require the inclusion of diesel-powered vehicles in emissions testing programs. However, the State of Illinois has implemented a program to inspect certain heavy-duty diesel powered trucks over 16,000 lbs in ozone non-attainment areas. This program is administered by the Illinois Department of Transportation.

source

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Great info Geko

[2deerwhistlers]

Brah.. Edge products sells dpf delete tuning for pickup trucks intended for "off road use only" and the EPA bent them over with fines... Also mentioned a few pages back....seems the only one offended here is you..I have a feeling the price for the downpipe and tune from ecotune will be competitive with the price of just the tune from renntech.. Maybe you have this feeling too..which would explain the uproar and lack of support for this package deal

[FormerRotor]

For the sake of conversation, this is VAs policy (as an example of one which requires OBD testing)...

Diesel-Powered Vehicles
1997 and newer diesel vehicles with a manufacturer’s designated gross vehicle weight rating of 8,500 pounds or less will receive the on-board diagnostic computer system test. Diesel vehicles will not receive the tailpipe test, fuel cap pressure test, visual component inspection, or the visible smoke inspection.

Note: There may be some confusion between the emissions inspection and the state safety inspection. The safety inspection is required once a year. The month and year on the windshield sticker indicate when the vehicle needs the safety inspection performed. For more information on the Virginia Safety Inspection, visit the Virginia State Police's web site.

Source: Virginia Department of Environmental Quality Website

[FormerRotor]

Originally Posted by 335dFan

n. 335dFan. TBD. It will be another year or so, and depends if I decide to keep the car out of warranty or not.

DFan, you let me know if you decide to get rid of the car after warranty. I might just buy it off of you and use mine as a spare (I don't think you will though)

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Edge products set themselves up, either they installed it in their premises or did not have people sign a DISCLOSURE letter and got screwed, this is what i believe STAN is alluding to And that I CLEARLY understand in that respect. No amigo Im not offended cause I firmly beleive the pipe can be sold BOTH ways, as far as competitive prices that would be up to STAN to reap any benefits not me, fortunately I can buy the pipe but DO NOT want the Tune cause i hv RENNtech, thats all!! to it.

As you can see how many in the list maybe 10, and as far as Im concerned maybe the other half wont buy cause they hv a tune already, figure out the math as far as making money, it makes sense to sell with and without. Like i said I am willing to sign a disclosure letter is anyone else willing to do it, just ask.

[Puerto Rican 335d]

Rotor u crazy SOB jajajaj cannibalise his car jajajaj

[2deerwhistlers]

Bottom line, if renntech gave a shit about the u.s. 335d market then they would offer more than a mild tune and put R&D into a downpipe.. How much easier do you think this process would have been for Stan if he were located in u.s.? That just proves how much ecotune cares about our cars

[Puerto Rican 335d]

As I hv stated Hartmut felt that the need for a downpipe did not merit making one since this car of ours was going to be a limited production car as it is now. Before you speak smack amigo DEER, the ONLY way STAN made our DPF was BECAUSE someone sent him a DPF from overhere and that was TDi(that was the only way he would of done ti anyway, think about it. I also had contacted DINAN and they had told me they would not cater us).

On the second note the process would have been the same as ANY other tuner with R&D. I Know STAN had his issues making it cause he spent more time with the item to ensure the quality and build would cater his needs and ours. So before you try to ramble non-sense get your story right my friend. I commend STAn for making but I differ his sell tactics.

BTW RENNtech is/was a premier Mercedes Benz tuner I was one of the guinea pigs for my 02 MCS and I argued with Hartmut for 5 minutes for him to give a RENNtech logo, he stated I was not a Mercedes I then told him "No, Im not a Mercedes but the future launching pad for you to expand" he then gave the logo and now has ventured to BMW Porche as well as others.

[2deerwhistlers]

I have rambled no nonsense.. Dinan and renntech would have had it easier than ecotune to build this downpipe because they are stateside.. But they didn't! Why? Because they won't make enough money doing it! Stan has put the effort in knowing that the market for the 335d is extremely limited.. Stan is also a distance of the Atlantic Ocean away from the closest u.s. Spec 335d, (thanks tdiwyse for sending your dpf to him.) PR, I understand you're a loyal renntech customer and they have treated you well.. Great! ... But I don't know how many ways I can say this ... 1) Any aftermarket company in mainland u.s. Would have had an easier time doing the same task that Stan did from Scotland, because of the physical distance from the machine.. 2) if you create something that you're proud of why give away the research and development time/money to a competitor? 3) I've got my facts straight. my "rambling" is backed up by logical ideas and I don't go and disrespect you when you post about subjects you are ignorant about... Example; yesterday's emissions comments..like I said earlier if rennetech, or dinan, or cobb gave half a shit about the 335d then they would have done R&D for a dpf delete.. But they haven't and they won't ... It's obviously not about the $$ to Stan because of the limited clientele and the distance between him and the clientele... Why don't you understand it would be easier for a Domestic company to build this for our domestic spec cars...

[Hoooper]

Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

Edge products set themselves up, either they installed it in their premises or did not have people sign a DISCLOSURE letter and got screwed, this is what i believe STAN is alluding to And that I CLEARLY understand in that respect. No amigo Im not offended cause I firmly beleive the pipe can be sold BOTH ways, as far as competitive prices that would be up to STAN to reap any benefits not me, fortunately I can buy the pipe but DO NOT want the Tune cause i hv RENNtech, thats all!! to it.

disclosures and release of liability forms dont mean squat. Anyone can be sued for anything no matter how asinine and it will cost money and possibly reputation to defend against a lawsuit. Ecotune has made their position known and their stance has been rock solid from the beginning so I really dont think there is any point for now to even discuss it, its been pretty well hashed out in this thread and nothing is changing. Im sure Stan understands there are people that want just the pipe, not just one person im sure, and if they decide to make exceptions or changes in their stance they will let us know.

For now the OBD readiness monitors and future availability are the hot topics, would love to see ecotune devise a way to defeat the OBD monitors issue, there are 13 states that have adopted CA emissions and while that number hopefully doesnt grow, the number of states who do smog testing is likely to grow and ALL of those will require OBD readiness

[BB_cuda]

Okay, PR has been removed. Dixy2k, I'm presuming cost is on par to European cost when converted to US dollars. If it is something crazy in cost above and beyond that, we all have our limit. So, yes an opinion can change if the cost becomes waaaay over the top. Let's wait and see what ecotuneuk comes up with.

1. TDI
2. BB_cuda
3. joe planet (if they give him credit for other tune)
4. Kakalika
5. Jdg
6. 2deerwhistlers
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n 335dfan

[floydarogers]

Originally Posted by 2deerwhistlers

...Why don't you understand it would be easier for a Domestic company to build this for our domestic spec cars...

A domestic company won't build it, because it would break the emissions controls. The EPA has come down hard on companies and people selling "off-road use only" parts for non-off-road use. As there is essentially zero need for true off-road use of the BMW M57, there is no chance of diverting off-road sales to on-road use.

Dinan and Renntech mods are road-legal (in general), and don't break the emission systems.

[2deerwhistlers]

Originally Posted by floydarogers

A domestic company won't build it, because it would break the emissions controls. The EPA has come down hard on companies and people selling "off-road use only" parts for non-off-road use. As there is essentially zero need for true off-road use of the BMW M57, there is no chance of diverting off-road sales to on-road use.

Dinan and Renntech mods are road-legal (in general), and don't break the emission systems.

I understand that completely ..I'm just trying to say it's easier for a Company in the u.s. To obtain a u.s. Spec car