[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

dealerships aren't exactly trying to push EV's and it isn't hard to figure out why.....

I'm shopping for a X5 xDrive40i right now. My dealer ship has no inventory but plenty of iX xDrive50's and X5 xDrive50e's on lot. You can guess how I reacted to a EV. So the conversation turns to ordering one to my spec and they would trade one of their allocations with another dealer to get me a spot in line. Only issue is this dealer had almost all EV's on allocation and no one wants to trade.

I'm in no hurry as the M4 CS in the garage keeps telling me to keep it and the Tacoma says I have your back this winter. Yes My cars talk to me.

[BGM-M3COMP]

https://www.bp.com/en_us/united-stat...-chargers.html

Yay!!!

Let's go BP!!! I knew you guys were cool after all!!

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Let's go BP!!! I knew you guys were cool after all!!

So we see you are a man of high morals and standards. Deepwater Horizon oil spill is all forgiven if they buy EV chargers for environmentally damaging EV's. Good to know.

[M5Rick]

Some home truths on 'climate change' with this lying greenie scientist.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/238616...ing-wildfires/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Some home truths on 'climate change' with this lying greenie scientist

He wasn't lying, he was auditioning for a job as a IPCC researcher. May be The University of East Anglia (UEA) or NOAA has a job opening for another pathological liar?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

So we see you are a man of high morals and standards. Deepwater Horizon oil spill is all forgiven if they buy EV chargers for environmentally damaging EV's. Good to know.

I'm just bummed it's not happening sooner. They said 2030, which is the holy shit era.

How i wish it was sooner but oh well. Hopefully others can jump on board with this.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Sales 101
You don't push an inferior product
It's always the alpines and the kickers before the pioneers and Kenwood's when you sold car audio in the 2000s
Then there are the Duals which were bottom of the barrel
EVs are somewhere between that and a cheap Kenwood deck

For dealers around 50 percent of their profit comes from service and parts. EVs are a disaster to the standard dealer model. And they have to build the support structure to recharge cars on the lot. I understand why dealers would be poorly aligned on core values to promote EVs. I don’t blame them one bit for not pushing EVs.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/w...ng%20to%20NADA.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

He wasn't lying, he was auditioning for a job as a IPCC researcher. May be The University of East Anglia (UEA) or NOAA has a job opening for another pathological liar?

I wouldn't be surprised, to feed the U N through ip cc with more fairy tales, plenty where he came.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Sales 101
You don't push an inferior product
It's always the alpines and the kickers before the pioneers and Kenwood's when you sold car audio in the 2000s
Then there are the Duals which were bottom of the barrel
EVs are somewhere between that and a cheap Kenwood deck

lol...no, it is actually the opposite .....they can't make any money on service or service contracts

[RM7]

Originally Posted by gblansten

For dealers around 50 percent of their profit comes from service and parts. EVs are a disaster to the standard dealer model. And they have to build the support structure to recharge cars on the lot. I understand why dealers would be poorly aligned on core values to promote EVs. I don’t blame them one bit for not pushing EVs.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/w...ng%20to%20NADA.

Good, they deserve to burn.

[M3WC]

Volkswagen says EV orders are down 50% in Europe

https://electrek.co/2023/10/26/volks...own-50-europe/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Volkswagen says EV orders are down 50% in Europe

https://electrek.co/2023/10/26/volks...own-50-europe/

The EV dream is slowly dying as people realise more the bigger picture, the thing is the gub ments are in a deep sleep scared to admit, letting things drag on happy to waste public money trying to 'control' the sinking ship. They've made a huge blunder (like the diesel debacle of before over here) believing the wrong people and no one wants to carry the can.

[gonzo]

They're all hemorrhaging money. Non organic business many times does.
Like forcing people to dance together. It just looks wrong and uncomfortable.

[M5Rick]

Mustangs won't sell, no wonder Ford is losing masses of money and it gets worse for other EV's.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Mustangs won't sell, no wonder Ford is losing masses of money and it gets worse for other EV's.

To be fair, the amount of discounts coming may let me finally reach for one if I ever convince the wife to leave her BMW for a .... Ford

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by kyriian

To be fair, the amount of discounts coming may let me finally reach for one if I ever convince the wife to leave her BMW for a .... Ford

I test drove a Mustang Mach E at the beginning of September. Mostly out of curiosity but also considering finally retiring my 400,000-mile E90. For personal reasons I'll not get into, it would be nice to have in the fleet a reliable car that has easy entry and exit with a large trunk for short trips (100 miles a day).

Tesla's are godawful ugly and the user interface is 99% too techy for my needs, and the interiors are too cheap feeling. The Hyndai Iconiq 5 is attractive to my eye, but the Mach E I think is styled quite well inside and out. I'm a Ford guy at heart too, with 9 Ford's owned since 1978. And I bought a Bronco last year.

I joined the Mach E forum to capture the ownership experience. Mach E (MME in fanboi speak) have problems, and they are stupid engineering problems. The 12V battery, which runs most of the user touch points is undersized at just 35 amp-hours and the MME doesn't keep it properly charged.

The battery controller, known as the high-voltage battery junction box (HVBJB) has heat management issues and is improperly heat sinked. Drive the MME for hours at highway speed, then pull in to DC fast charge, and you can weld shut the current flow contactors, which bricks the car. Ford has since issued a software update to indirectly monitor heat in the contacors and now prevents thermal shutdown.

The doors are over complicated. There is no physical door handle. The door is electrically released and popped open using a button on the B-pillar or via a phone app. Guess what, when the 12V battery dies (from under charging) you can't get in the car. You have to pull an access plate from the front bumper and jump terminals. That pops the frunk. Then you pull interior frunk trim panels off to access the 12V battery to power the doors. Today I read a thread on how the plunger that pops the door open can get out of sync with the locking system and fail open, so you can't close the frickin' door. Idiocy.

Ford recently switched the battery chemistry so now the standard range battery is more susceptible to winter range loss.

I decided to stick with my tried and true 2006 BMW. LOL.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I test drove a Mustang Mach E at the beginning of September. Mostly out of curiosity but also considering finally retiring my 400,000-mile E90. For personal reasons I'll not get into, it would be nice to have in the fleet a reliable car that has easy entry and exit with a large trunk for short trips (100 miles a day).

Tesla's are godawful ugly and the user interface is 99% too techy for my needs, and the interiors are too cheap feeling. The Hyndai Iconiq 5 is attractive to my eye, but the Mach E I think is styled quite well inside and out. I'm a Ford guy at heart too, with 9 Ford's owned since 1978. And I bought a Bronco last year.

I joined the Mach E forum to capture the ownership experience. Mach E (MME in fanboi speak) have problems, and they are stupid engineering problems. The 12V battery, which runs most of the user touch points is undersized at just 35 amp-hours and the MME doesn't keep it properly charged.

The battery controller, known as the high-voltage battery junction box (HVBJB) has heat management issues and is improperly heat sinked. Drive the MME for hours at highway speed, then pull in to DC fast charge, and you can weld shut the current flow contactors, which bricks the car. Ford has since issued a software update to indirectly monitor heat in the contacors and now prevents thermal shutdown.

The doors are over complicated. There is no physical door handle. The door is electrically released and popped open using a button on the B-pillar or via a phone app. Guess what, when the 12V battery dies (from under charging) you can't get in the car. You have to pull an access plate from the front bumper and jump terminals. That pops the frunk. Then you pull interior frunk trim panels off to access the 12V battery to power the doors. Today I read a thread on how the plunger that pops the door open can get out of sync with the locking system and fail open, so you can't close the frickin' door. Idiocy.

Ford recently switched the battery chemistry so now the standard range battery is more susceptible to winter range loss.

I decided to stick with my tried and true 2006 BMW. LOL.

Those are defenitely things I'd be worried about when the wife drives the kid to school.
Think I'll just stick to my own plans to find a PHEV in a few years, just make more sense up here in the north.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I test drove a Mustang Mach E at the beginning of September. Mostly out of curiosity but also considering finally retiring my 400,000-mile E90. For personal reasons I'll not get into, it would be nice to have in the fleet a reliable car that has easy entry and exit with a large trunk for short trips (100 miles a day).

Tesla's are godawful ugly and the user interface is 99% too techy for my needs, and the interiors are too cheap feeling. The Hyndai Iconiq 5 is attractive to my eye, but the Mach E I think is styled quite well inside and out. I'm a Ford guy at heart too, with 9 Ford's owned since 1978. And I bought a Bronco last year.

I joined the Mach E forum to capture the ownership experience. Mach E (MME in fanboi speak) have problems, and they are stupid engineering problems. The 12V battery, which runs most of the user touch points is undersized at just 35 amp-hours and the MME doesn't keep it properly charged.

The battery controller, known as the high-voltage battery junction box (HVBJB) has heat management issues and is improperly heat sinked. Drive the MME for hours at highway speed, then pull in to DC fast charge, and you can weld shut the current flow contactors, which bricks the car. Ford has since issued a software update to indirectly monitor heat in the contacors and now prevents thermal shutdown.

The doors are over complicated. There is no physical door handle. The door is electrically released and popped open using a button on the B-pillar or via a phone app. Guess what, when the 12V battery dies (from under charging) you can't get in [...]

I spent some time in the jaguar ipace forum..scared the daylights out of me...came close to buying one but mrs flat out refused to let me.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Volkswagen says EV orders are down 50% in Europe

https://electrek.co/2023/10/26/volks...own-50-europe/

Cuz nobody wants a POS VW

You won’t find any VW in any top 25 list of the best selling cars in the world….you’ll find a couple Tesla’s near the top though


Btw, it’s not just VW struggling with trying to catch Tesla in the EV market

[XutvJet]

Why is it that most EVs use so many overly complicated electronic gimics such as the Ford Mustang E door issue? We're over 10 years into EVs being mainstream. There's no need to make them any more overly complex than most other cars on the road when it comes to interfaces.

Just because it has an EV drivtrain doesn't mean everything else about the car needs to be different, complex, overly minimalist, etc. I think that's one thing where automakers are really missing the mark if they want to appeal to more of the population.

[freakystyly]

I'm terribly happy with my gimmick free car. Not even a back up camera. Too bad they don't exist any more after 2018.

EVs have always been odd for the sake of being odd, I sometimes wonder if it was meant to deter sales.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Why is it that most EVs use so many overly complicated electronic gimics such as the Ford Mustang E door issue? We're over 10 years into EVs being mainstream. There's no need to make them any more overly complex than most other cars on the road when it comes to interfaces.

Just because it has an EV drivtrain doesn't mean everything else about the car needs to be different, complex, overly minimalist, etc. I think that's one thing where automakers are really missing the mark if they want to appeal to more of the population.

100% agree. Tesla has recessed door handles so the Mach E gets NONE! (one upmanship). Tesla's have a BIG TV screen, so does the Mach E! Tesla's use a smart phone as a key, so does the Mach E.

Like smooth doors without protruding door handles drop the coefficient of drag any significant amount. Lol. If I want the big TV just let me plug it into a mount on the dash, or otherwise I'll set up the configurables and then take the screen out. I don't need to see the map when I'm driving to my office; I already know how to get there.

Neat! My phone can open the door! Wowee! WGAF?

And for God's sake, the car has a giant 91kWh battery, but it can't keep a tiny 35 amp-hour battery fully charged? It's worse than a BMW!