[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

out of curiosity, what AFRs did you tune these STI's and hondas?

I never tuned any specific STi's, just Honda/Acura.

For N/A applications I tuned in the 13-13.2 Range
For Forced Induction 5 PSI or less they were tuned to 12.0-12.5

5PSI+ 11.7 AFR

10 PSI+ 11.5


Anything involving race gas tunes and excess of 20 PSI I rarely touched but I would likely put then in a low 11's AFR if I did.


I'd imagine I would tune any STI in the mid 11's.

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Because you can not produce data showing that the severity of knock increases.

Common sense says it does, But there is no actual data supporting it. There are thousands of JB users driving around that does not seem to have such a horrible result.
With your balloon theory?

Its common sense....

It doesnt need Data. Its physics my friend.

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Yeah, I dont think its very funny that my car was being damaged though.

If you get to the point were you feel the knocking, your way past "damaged"

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I never tuned any specific STi's, just Honda/Acura.

For N/A applications I tuned in the 13-13.2 Range
For Forced Induction 5 PSI or less they were tuned to 12.0-12.5

5PSI+ 11.7 AFR

10 PSI+ 11.5


Anything involving race gas tunes and excess of 20 PSI I rarely touched but I would likely put then in a low 11's AFR if I did.




Its common sense....

It doesnt need Data. Its physics my friend.

Without Data its opinion or theories

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I dont have a JB4, and JB4 does not have the appropriate logging channels.

Therefore you are asking for the impossible.

A real tune would have the appropriate logging channels.

That's why I recommended doing this.

Originally Posted by AltecBX

N54 Max boost pressure
335i = 8.7 psi
335is = 11..6 psi (14.5 psi for 7 seconds)

Couldn't we just see what timing is being pulled in these two different models in the same conditions. I would like to see how the Procede and JB4 result when using the same 32x and 10x sample by using the Procede software and harness running equal 14psi. This way i believe will make most board member see the real difference between both tunes. I believe Shiv this this in the past of some kind, but will like to put both of them on in autouning mode to see how they both compare to the end result(knock sensors or timing control).

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

out of curiosity, what AFRs did you tune these STI's and hondas?

my SRT4 would run 11.4's on pump and 12.3 on the gas.

my STi would run 12.2 on meth. still pretty conservative.

[turbo2nr]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

If you get to the point were you feel the knocking, your way past "damaged"





Without Data its opinion or theories

wtf? have you ever tuned or been around some one tuning a car.. smh..

im not getting involved..

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

If you get to the point were you feel the knocking, your way past "damaged"





Without Data its opinion or theories

Physics isnt a theory. Its Fact. LOL.

Try JR/Sr year in high school again.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Show me numbers and actual data pertaining to Knock severity to phisical damage done.



Its all hypothetical

The ideal gas law is hypothetical? please stop wasting my time.

I can see why you lost your job as an eng. and now must sell houses for a living. You are better off trust me.

[BrianMN]

Honestly, if you don't have solid knowledge of the internal combustion engine and solid engine tuning theory, the content in this thread is simply confusing the hell out of you. If you don't understand every single thing that happens in 720* rotation of the crankshaft, and WHY each one of those things is important, you should simply spend the next couple days on google and then re-read this and other technical threads.

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by Clap135

The ideal gas law is hypothetical? please stop wasting my time.

I can see why you lost your job as a eng. and now must sell houses for a living. You are better off trust me.

Once again, Insulting me personally, really its sad coming from someone that works for the government.

The only argument to the question, If it's knocking so bad, why do all JB users not have problems? Is "there strong" is a BS reason. No Physics there.

[Litos]

when an engine knocks, it doesn't instantly mean the engine is trash already.

but when you knock it for a year straight, you might be giving your car AIDS HAHAHA !!!!

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

If you get to the point were you feel the knocking, your way past "damaged"

Well it has been almost a year and my car is fine. Trust me, I felt it.

[Clap135]

To all the poeple who are clueless

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=136

This was written by imo one of the best tuners in the states. If you think is hypothetical, end your life

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by Clap135

To all the poeple who are clueless

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=136

This was written by imo one of the tuners in the states. If you think is hypothetical, end your life

Written by who?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Once again, Insulting me personally, really its sad coming from someone that works for the government.

The only argument to the question, If it's knocking so bad, why do all JB users not have problems? Is "there strong" is a BS reason. No Physics there.

Insulting you by posting facts?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Written by who?

jeff evans, get a clue.

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Insulting you by posting facts?

Don't understand why you have to insult me personally at all.

Originally Posted by Clap135

jeff evans, get a clue.

Jeeze calm down, I just read what you said and You said something like "IMO tuner in the country"

[secretsquirrel]

This sounds like the argument for not wearing condoms. I've done it 'x' amount of times. Still no AIDs. All my friends do it, no AIDs. Surely having sex with no condoms is not bad.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Clap135

To all the poeple who are clueless

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=136

This was written by imo one of the best tuners in the states. If you think is hypothetical, end your life

Nice post, thats a good read.

[InCityPhoto]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

This sounds like the argument for not wearing condoms. I've done it 'x' amount of times. Still no AIDs. All my friends do it, no AIDs. Surely having sex with no condoms is not bad.

There still trying to say the same thing they said in the first place..

The JB4 does not adjust the Timing, We know this.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Don't understand why you have to insult me personally at all.





Jeeze calm down, I just read what you said and You said something like "IMO tuner in the country"

Not instulting, stating facts. Any eng. would understand how pressure works.
What I meant to say was "imo the best tuner in the states"

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

As it has been stated OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER...

There are plenty of STOCK CARS that knock.

Knocking at stock boost levels is not as extreme as adding 2x more boost with no PROACTIVE IGNITION CHANGES.

I feel like a broken record.

**

When tuning in the enthusiast world and tuning for power, LIMITING knock becomes priority.

BMW designed a happy medium tune to work for various conditions, keeping in mind there may be infact low severity knocks on their LOW BOOST.

When you tune in the real world, for power, as an enthusiast, looking for power, you tune for power and safety for your SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. Not tuned for the entire world.

Well which is it? Is stock knock ok or not ok?

Originally Posted by JPSlick

If his logic held true in fairytale land, 10's of thousands of "low severity" knock would have no ill effects on an engine cause its of "low severity".

I want this guy tuning my next car. PLEASE!

Originally Posted by JPSlick

You can have a situation where knock did not cause catastrophic failure immediately , HOWEVER, over time this ABUSIVE manner will degrade the integrity of the hardware in the engine.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Knock overtime, or just once, can damage an engine.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

As you can see here, this is the PROPER way to tune vehicle as there is absolutely no knock present.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Regardless of direct injection or not, a knock sensor, that is detecting knock, is still KNOCK. So knocking on any engine is the same.

As you know, Knock causes extreme wear and tear and pressures in the engine.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Again, there are motors out there that cannot even handle these "low severity" knocks that are still being preached. So to say, they dont matter, is not true.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

There still trying to say the same thing they said in the first place..

The JB4 does not adjust the Timing, We know this.

Yes, and by raising cylinder pressure it increases the severity of knock from a stock car.