[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Plus I'm going to have the Morr Alloy VS7 wheels on my coupe.
They are about 12 pounds lighter each wheel than stock. And tires that are about 2 pounds lighter than the stock run-flats
That's A LOT less rotational mass, which will mean I will spin the tires even easier.

I'd rather give up 20-25 lbs-ft of torque (especially in the 2000-3500 rpm range) in order to have a bit better traction and the ability to get deeper into the throttle sooner at lower speeds without just spinning the tires.

Actually I think lighter rims should improve traction, as it's easier for the suspension to control them. I didn't notice much difference with my setup but it will be interesting to hear your impressions.

On the giving up power issue, I think you're crazy. Just press the peddle down 90% if the low end power is that big of an issue, or take advantage of the factory traction control system.

[max boost]

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

So to get a faster 1/4 would u still recommend short shifting at 6500, or would it be better to go all the way to 7000 with this new V2.0?

BTW- Great job dealing with terry, you've def won my support.

at my track rental @ atco my shift points, in my step, were @ 6100 -6200
i tried shifting @ higher rpms and et sufferred. the extra hp vrs trq should show it head @ the track!

cool air, dp, exhaust, DR and 2.0 will net high 11.XX if the 60ft is 1.6X:rocks:
i wanna be the first!

SHIV FOR PRESIDENT

[kujo]

Originally Posted by max boost

at my track rental @ atco my shift points, in my step, were @ 6100 -6200
i tried shifting @ higher rpms and et sufferred. the extra hp vrs trq should show it head @ the track!

cool air, dp, exhaust, DR and 2.0 will net high 11.XX if the 60ft is 1.6X:rocks:
i wanna be the first!

SHIV FOR PRESIDENT

You're lucky you have Atco at your doorstep.......
You'd think, in So Cal, with all the car feinds, there would be a better track for us.

Oh well, I'm not a drag guy anyway.
CA Speedway Roval, Laguna, Infineon, Streets of Willow, Horse Theif Mile ....... need I say more. :rocks:

11's baby......

[BMWPower06]

Originally Posted by max boost

at my track rental @ atco my shift points, in my step, were @ 6100 -6200
i tried shifting @ higher rpms and et sufferred. the extra hp vrs trq should show it head @ the track!

cool air, dp, exhaust, DR and 2.0 will net high 11.XX if the 60ft is 1.6X:rocks:
i wanna be the first!

SHIV FOR PRESIDENT

Well shiv said that power comes on all the way to redline, so according to him at the track u should take it to 7000RPMs

[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Actually I think lighter rims should improve traction, as it's easier for the suspension to control them. I didn't notice much difference with my setup but it will be interesting to hear your impressions.

On the giving up power issue, I think you're crazy. Just press the peddle down 90% if the low end power is that big of an issue, or take advantage of the factory traction control system.

Never thought I would agree but I'm with Terry on this.

[judec]

Originally Posted by max boost

at my track rental @ atco my shift points, in my step, were @ 6100 -6200
i tried shifting @ higher rpms and et sufferred. the extra hp vrs trq should show it head @ the track!

cool air, dp, exhaust, DR and 2.0 will net high 11.XX if the 60ft is 1.6X:rocks:
i wanna be the first!

SHIV FOR PRESIDENT

Even in sport program using the paddles?

[max boost]

Originally Posted by judec

Even in sport program using the paddles?

yup---total delete of all tracton control....foot brake to 2700 rpms and shift with paddles @ 6100 -6200


hey i just remebered something......i had to make my last shift right @ 1100 -1200 foot mark. if i can stretch out each gear a little then that might cut out the additional shift.

[hotrod2448]

I kind of have to laugh at the people talking about not being able to use the power. You guys do realize the throttle is not an on off switch and can be modulated right? Also, a lot people have and will continue to put LSD and wider tires on the rear to provide traction.

Even if you can't use that torque at low speeds in an otherwise stock car it's got be nice on the highway.

[kujo]

Originally Posted by hotrod2448

I kind of have to laugh at the people talking about not being able to use the power. You guys do realize the throttle is not an on off switch and can be modulated right? Also, a lot people have and will continue to put LSD and wider tires on the rear to provide traction.

Even if you can't use that torque at low speeds in an otherwise stock car it's got be nice on the highway.

My point exactly.
When I say 95% of people will not be able to 'Harness the Lunacy', this is what I'm talking about.

Not too many people know how to modulate or 'pedal' the throttle.

Mash and go..... or spin that is.

I was doing a canyon run one time with a freind from work (not you M).
We we hammering down this canyon run, that BMW actually uses to test cars in So Cal.
His brake lights were like christmas trees.
He was sooo hard on the throttle and then hard on the brakes.
His ass end kept twitching out.
I hardly touched the brake and was riding his ass pretty hard.
So, I finally let off, as to not want anything to happen.
He was in an M5(e39), I was in an e46 330iZHP.

Point is, you can have a faster, better car....... but if you can't use it properly, what's the point ?
Ohhhh yeah, EGO !!!!

Fix the loose nut behind the wheel before you add all the power.

oh well....theres my rant for the day.

It's a great day to go Karting.......

Drive it like you stole it !

[judec]

+1

driving fast is a question of a fast driver at the first place. having a good car and a brick on the throttle isnt enuff. I'd say it's contraproductive. Luckily I made my first 200.000km mostly outside of the highways (as at the time I started driving there was almost no highway in my small country LOL) and also recently I use highways only for making long distances fast. But when I have time and there is some nice curvy road ahead... like this one, one of my favs
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...=13&iwloc=addr

Even if you can't use that torque at low speeds in an otherwise stock car it's got be nice on the highway.

driving on highway is boring. if U only want to make a pissing contest on the highway, save some money and buy some american muscle, not a 335i.

[Hegemony]

I'm trying to figure out why people care so much about how efficiently the nameless, faceless masses can utilize car modifications that they feel the need to lament about it on internet forum. "That guy" at your latest track event making an ass of himself? He had a name and a face, and if he was so much of an ass that he wouldn't take constructive criticism of his driving habits (aka he wasn't there to learn,) make note of who he is and make sure you're not at the next track event he is.

Taking that experience, bringing it to a forum such as this, and lording over the peons because they don't "deserve" a particular mod or power level because you assume they don't meet your estimation of the required level of skill to "deserve" that mod? Yeah. That's you being a bigger ass than that guy at the track you're complaining about.

People buy what they can afford (sometimes more.) And while you have a right to have an opinion about it, you don't have a right to tell them what to do with their money or dictate what mods are available on the open market because you can't help but be opinionated.

Sorry for the rant. Feel free to flame me or not at your leisure.

[kujo]

I'm not telling anyone to not buy a mod.
I'm not bagging on the PROcede either.
I did not tell ONE person here they don't deserve it.

I'm talking about people that 'Monday Morning Quaterback' on the forums.
Talk a big game, on the net.

The majority can't handle it. I've seen it first hand.
That also translates to the public roads of America and abroad.

All I'm saying is, spend the $1,300 on some track days or car control clinics.

I know people that have died after buying Carrera GTs, etc....... killed becuse they don't know what Oversteer is or have ANY car control what so ever.

Sure, buy what you can afford, but when these lame ass punk kids with 500WHP in thier Evo's and STI's are on the road, with NO driving experience or education, myself, my wife and son, my friends and YOU are out there.

You like driving in a sea of morons with 500WHP ?

Not me.........

This isn't a flame.

It's a call to arms, so to speak.
I know it won't make a bit of diffrence, but most cars first mod, should be fixing the 'loose nut behind the wheel'.

Buy what you want. That was never the point of this productive discussion.

Yes, many many threads go OT, but it's a good discussion, as I hate seeing street racing or plain ole stupidity taking the lives of innocent people.

I wish the USA was like Europe.
Do you know how hard it is to get a license in some countries in Europe ?

I'd bet that 70% of American's would fail a driving test accross the pond.

Nameless, faceless jack asses are the problem.
" I'm making 500 HP at the wheels man....."
So what...... learn to use it.

BUY THE PROCEDE V2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shameless plug for a product I don't own.

This wasn't a planned thread jacking. Just came out in the conversation, in a thread that Shiv started to get the V2 buzz going.
He's not reponded in many pages, so it just went this way.

Now, Back to the 100WHP and 200 ft/lbs of TQ that we'll all get in 6 months and all the new clutches and tranny's that will need to be bought.

[max boost]

Originally Posted by kujo

I'm not telling anyone to not buy a mod.
I'm not bagging on the PROcede either.
I did not tell ONE person here they don't deserve it.

I'm talking about people that 'Monday Morning Quaterback' on the forums.
Talk a big game, on the net.

The majority can't handle it. I've seen it first hand.
That also translates to the public roads of America and abroad.

All I'm saying is, spend the $1,300 on some track days or car control clinics.

I know people that have died after buying Carrera GTs, etc....... killed becuse they don't know what Oversteer is or have ANY car control what so ever.

Sure, buy what you can afford, but when these lame ass punk kids with 500WHP in thier Evo's and STI's are on the road, with NO driving experience or education, myself, my wife and son, my friends and YOU are out there.

You like driving in a sea of morons with 500WHP ?

Not me.........

This isn't a flame.

It's a call to arms, so to speak.
I know it won't make a bit of diffrence, but most cars first mod, should be fixing the 'loose nut behind the wheel'.

Buy what you want. That was never the point of this productive discussion.

Yes, many many threads go OT, but it's a good discussion, as I hate seeing street racing or plain ole stupidity taking the lives of innocent people.

I wish the USA was like Europe.
Do you know how hard it is to get a license in some countries in Europe ?

I'd bet that 70% of American's would fail a driving test accross the pond.

Nameless, faceless jack asses are the problem.
" I'm making 500 HP at the wheels man....."
So what...... learn to use it.

BUY THE PROCEDE V2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shameless plug for a product I don't own.

This wasn't a planned thread jacking. Just came out in the conversation, in a thread that Shiv started to get the V2 buzz going.
He's not reponded in many pages, so it just went this way.

Now, Back to the 100WHP and 200 ft/lbs of TQ that we'll all get in 6 months and all the new clutches and tranny's that will need to be bought.

i understand your point.....ex motorcycle roadracer here. youll see more of the nuckle heads in that area for sure.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Terry335

I thought you were a pseudointellectual wiseass?

Originally Posted by lawdude

Wow, I don't think you've even called Shiv a wiseass! Didn't mean to piss you off. I'll leave you alone.

For the record I don't think Lawdude is a pseudointellectual or a wiseass. More of a pseudo-wise intellectual.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

For the record I don't think Lawdude is a pseudointellectual or a wiseass. More of a pseudo-wise intellectual.

Now that we've got that all cleared up.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Terry335

For the record I don't think Lawdude is a pseudointellectual or a wiseass. More of a pseudo-wise intellectual.

Well Terry, you had your constructive 2 minutes for today already. So please go back and continue playing with your colorful resistors ...

Thank you for understanding.

[OpenFlash]

Terry,
In polite terms, I think he asked you to stop posting in this thread. I think that would be a good idea. And I suspect most of the people on this forum would agree.

-shiv

[bnj]

Getting understanding for unconstructive sentences would be an unwise assumption. Or a pseudo assumption.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

...
-shiv

Shiv,

Are the PROcede v2.0 beta testers now testing v2.0? If not, then what's your ETA on getting them the v2.0 s/w and how long do you envision the v2.0 beta test period? Thanks.

[Hegemony]

My intention was not to single you out, as you are certainly not the only one who makes these kinds of arguments. My intention was to make a simple request:

Please take these types of political dicussions elsewhere as they are doing a disservice to the informative value of the "General Forced Induction and 335i Engine Talk" forum, and they are making already excessively long threads even longer and providing no value beyond the lamentation previously mentioned.

Political you say? Yes. Because basically you're entire point could be summed up by proclaiming "there oughta be a law!"

Originally Posted by kujo

I did not tell ONE person here they don't deserve it.

I disagree:

Originally Posted by kujo

...but when these lame ass punk kids with 500WHP in thier Evo's and STI's are on the road, with NO driving experience or education...

"there oughta be a law!"

Originally Posted by kujo

I wish the USA was like Europe.
Do you know how hard it is to get a license in some countries in Europe ?

"there oughta be a law!"

No offense man, it just sounds silly. Like I said before, you have a right to feel that way I just wish you'd do it in the appropriate forum and humbly request that you do so. I hate stupid drivers in minivans, SUV's and 100hp hybrids. Hell it doesn't matter what they drive or even if they do. I hate stupid people period. I don't, however, derail threads in this forum detailing such.

I'm done contributing to this derailment. If you do care enough to continue the discussion (I wouldn't if I were you,) I'd be happy do to so in PM's.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

For the record I don't think Lawdude is a pseudointellectual or a wiseass. More of a pseudo-wise intellectual.

That's Terry's way of making nice.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Shiv,

Are the PROcede v2.0 beta testers now testing v2.0? If not, then what's your ETA on getting them the v2.0 s/w and how long do you envision the v2.0 beta test period? Thanks.

Same here.