[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by mkPOTO

i wouldnt mind checking out the cobb tune, they have done some crazy stuff, they are the first ones to do tunes on the gtr

i wonder whos maps they bought for that project...

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Vasille, how can you conclude GIAC is better? Have you tried them both?

jb3 1.0, jb3 2.0, v5 and sstt.

Power is slightly behind procede, but is truly as smooth as stock. Its behind power as its boosting 1.5 psi below the procede was autotuning too (13.5 vs 15.1). I think with better traction and getting it protuned after some additional mods, its going to be amazing.

PS, datalogging is so easy.

in for answer

[Ricer X]

crap...this is gonna bore the shit out me...

over/under on number of words in response set at 2000000

Seth, you're ghey.

[Ricer X]

Al says...fuck it...

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Vasille, how can you conclude GIAC is better? Have you tried them both?

Because its what he has..

[BTM]

Bulls game is close

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Vasille, how can you conclude GIAC is better? Have you tried them both?

jb3 1.0, jb3 2.0, v5 and sstt.

Power is slightly behind procede, but is truly as smooth as stock. Its behind power as its boosting 1.5 psi below the procede was autotuning too (13.5 vs 15.1). I think with better traction and getting it protuned after some additional mods, its going to be amazing.

PS, datalogging is so easy.

I have not tried COBB for obvious reasons: I could not justify spending another $900 for a Stage 1 tune when I already have one.

Setting the obvious learning curve that COBB has to go through aside:

To answer your question as to why I consider GIAC to be better:

* Stage 1 on GIAC is designed to work on full stock cars and on cars with mild mods such as intakes and exhausts. The software will also adjust between 91 and 93 octane fuel. The Cobb map is designed for stock cars only. They specifically state that.

* Cobb is yet to release Stage 2 for cars with modified downpipes and intercoolers. And I am pretty sure that they will follow their existing mentality: create a custom map depending on the type of mods you have. So you will see a map for Stage 2 with full catless downpipes and intercooler. There will be a separate map for downpipes with high-flow cats and another one for DCI and another one for cars with no secondary cats, etc etc etc. You get the picture. GIAC already accommodates for such variations in their Stage 2. Austin from GIAC pretty clearly explained that the GIAC S2 requirements are better downpipes with max 1 set of HFC cats, intake and aftermarket intercooler. Additional improvements of the flow will automatically generate additional power gains. With COBB you will need to get a different map.

* GIAC Stage 2 + gives you the ability to run 98/100 Octane fuel or methanol (granted there is no meth safety yet) The S2+ map contains timing and ignition corrections instead of extra boost.

* GIAC monitors EGTs. COBB does not.

Does that make sense?

Guys, don't get me wrong here. I absolutely adore the ability to reflash the ECU at home with a handheld device. All things aside, this is by FAR the greatest thing that has come to our cars on the tuning front. I would happily dump GIAC the minute COBB releases S2 for our cars with the same proven abilities as GIAC.

[vasillalov]

Lets not forget that COBB S1 is 15.x psi @ max torque and GIAC S1 is 13.x psi @ max torque. This explains why COBB makes a bit more power than GIAC

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by BTM

Bulls game is close

and they get the ball back with 8 seconds

[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by AFV335i

Al says...fuck it...



Because its what he has..

[Ricer X]

[UdubBadger]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Lets not forget that COBB S1 is 15.x psi @ max torque and GIAC S1 is 13.x psi @ max torque. This explains why COBB makes a bit more power than GIAC

and everyone else who knows pushing 15psi stock isn't as safe as it should be

[Ricer X]

im considering going back to stock or jus a jb+

[mithiral67]

Those dynos showed 15 for about 500 rpm low down on the range and taper to a reasonable level when the rpms are high and the turbos are really spining up.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

So more boost means more power . . . and?

and, all else equal, a higher probability of breaking something. And I'm not taking sides, or saying COBB is bad. Just that, everything held constant, the higher PSI is more dangerous

[BTM]

Originally Posted by AFV335i

im considering going back to stock or jus a jb+

Just do what I did and buy an S54

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

So more boost means more power . . . and?

uumm. my point is that if you lower the boost on COBB to GIAC levels (so that you can compare apples to apples), they will make pretty much the same power and torque. So that makes COBB only as good as, not better when it comes to power output....

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by BTM

Just do what I did and buy an S54

gay

[BTM]

Originally Posted by mkPOTO

gay

gay

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by BTM

Just do what I did and buy an S54

Wait whaaat? You sold your 335i? I must have missed that one... Are you driving this Mcoupe in your signature now? If so: congrats!

[mithiral67]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Wait whaaat? You sold your 335i? I must have missed that one... Are you driving this Mcoupe in your signature now? If so: congrats!

Yea, he thinks and is better than us.

[CubanJJ09]

Originally Posted by UdubBadger

LOS!!!!

LOL

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Yea, he thinks and is better than us.

Hahahah!

In all honesty, I absolutely loved the idea of the M coupes. Just not practical enough for me and you look a bit of a cock driving one...