[bmxcamel]

Ok not bmw but I couldn’t help but share

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by bmxcamel

Nice autotrader find tonight. The ultra-rare, 1 of 1, BMW M1 Competition M Performance 50 JAHRE BMW M TURBO

Get out your flame throwers.

I actually like what he did with this one. If you remove the m performance sticker on the rear spoiler, the competition under the M1 on the rear and the M1 badge on the front grille I think you have a cool looking old school homage thing going on. The vintage turbo and Motorsport roundels bring it a 2002 vibe.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Get out your flame throwers.

I actually like what he did with this one. If you remove the m performance sticker on the rear spoiler, the competition under the M1 on the rear and the M1 badge on the front grille I think you have a cool looking old school homage thing going on. The vintage turbo and Motorsport roundels bring it a 2002 vibe.

You’re free to like what you like, but it’s not an M1, those badges do not belong, nor does the turbo, that belongs on a VW.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Get out your flame throwers.

I actually like what he did with this one. If you remove the m performance sticker on the rear spoiler, the competition under the M1 on the rear and the M1 badge on the front grille I think you have a cool looking old school homage thing going on. The vintage turbo and Motorsport roundels bring it a 2002 vibe.

This is one of the worst offenders in the thread, TBH.

That said, this stuff doesn't really bother me anymore. Just low-IQ stuff.

[Chilled]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The SUV chassis has inherent compromises that will always put it at a disadvantage. M tinkering can help, ofc, but when both chassis are tinkered with to a simliar degree, we all know what happens.

It is what it is. Maybe 535 bro is just an M fan. Nothing wrong with a 535.

Based on that logic you can turn a Civic into a M3 with enough M tinkering.


The fact is, the 535 did not roll of the line as a M.

[BMWCCA1]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

You’re free to like what you like, but it’s not an M1, those badges do not belong, nor does the turbo, that belongs on a VW.

You may not like it, and it isn't an M1 . . . but it IS a 1M, and a real one. There's just no accounting for taste but the car has cred and can regain all of it with some time, a heat gun, and some 3M adhesive remover.

Check the Autotrader link for the WBS... VIN:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...e=supplemental

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Chilled

Based on that logic you can turn a Civic into a M3 with enough M tinkering.


The fact is, the 535 did not roll of the line as a M.

No, that would not be my logic.

A Civic is a FWD, nose-heavy car with suspension geometry designed for comfortably and inexpensively moving people and getting groceries. It will never be an M3 or a 535. That said some tinkering can make it passable and fun for sporty driving, if one adapts to the fundamental issues one cannot engineer out.

The X6 is a tall, nose-heavy car designed almost entirely for getting groceries, albeit in inclement weather or where one deals with the occasional muddy farm road.

The X6 is RWD or rear-biased AWD, but apart from that, it has no place as a performance car, IMO.

The 535 would definitely be in my garage over an X6M, as the handling characteristics are completely different, and shocks, springs, and bushings aren't really that expensive, all things considered.

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by Neusser

No, that would not be my logic.

A Civic is a FWD, nose-heavy car with suspension geometry designed for comfortably and inexpensively moving people and getting groceries. It will never be an M3 or a 535. That said some tinkering can make it passable and fun for sporty driving, if one adapts to the fundamental issues one cannot engineer out.

The X6 is a tall, nose-heavy car designed almost entirely for getting groceries, albeit in inclement weather or where one deals with the occasional muddy farm road.

The X6 is RWD or rear-biased AWD, but apart from that, it has no place as a performance car, IMO.

The 535 would definitely be in my garage over an X6M, as the handling characteristics are completely different, and shocks, springs, and bushings aren't really that expensive, all things considered.

You seem to be missing the point, again. Why have you turned this into 535i vs X6M discussion. You seem intent on knocking the X6M but not sure what the point is in the context of this thread…? Is it because you feel that the 535i or a 540i with M sport package is more deserving of an M badge? You seem to feel very strongly about this. Then start a different thread.

On a thread about fake badges (i.e., did the car company from the factor with the suspect badging), you made a post implying that because a 535i has superior handling/chassis characteristics than an X6M, that a fake M badge on a 535i is somehow, justified. You then made a further post to support this proposition by saying that if the same level of "M tinkering" was applied to a 535i, that the 535i would have superior outcomes.

Both posts are irrelevant in the context of this thread. It is not a thread about "would XXXX car perform better than another M car with modifications". If I drove a 330i, would you then say “to be fair the 535i has 2 more cylinders and the has more M chassis than the 330i”? Seems ridiculous.

The 535i, regardless of the extent of tuning/tinkering, did not come out of M and did not roll off the line with those fake M badges.

Similary, a G31 540i, regardless of the tuning, modifications, or "M-Sport" upgrades, did not come out of M nor did it roll of the line as an "M540i". It will officially be a 540i with M-Sport package and nothing else. Nothing wrong with that.

The X6M, regardless of how poorly the handling/dynamics as compared to more abled cars, did come of M as an X6M. It is officially an X6M.

The above are facts, not opinions. Your opinion about whether you would prefer to have a 535i in your garage vs X6M, is completely irrelvant with the fact that, the 535i had fake M badges. Nor is "how expensive would it be mod an X6 to have similar X6M characteristics" relevant to this thread.

So I should walk into the BMW dealership and demand that they sell me an X6M at the price of an X6 plus the additional costs it would take to “tinker” the suspension etc, add 2 more cylinders etc?

Take the L.

[KurtsM5]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

You seem to be missing the point, again. Why have you turned this into 535i vs X6M discussion. You seem intent on knocking the X6M but not sure what the point is in the context of this thread…? Is it because you feel that the 535i or a 540i with M sport package is more deserving of an M badge? You seem to feel very strongly about this. Then start a different thread.

On a thread about fake badges (i.e., did the car company from the factor with the suspect badging), you made a post implying that because a 535i has superior handling/chassis characteristics than an X6M, that a fake M badge on a 535i is somehow, justified. You then made a further post to support this proposition by saying that if the same level of "M tinkering" was applied to a 535i, that the 535i would have superior outcomes.

Both posts are irrelevant in the context of this thread. It is not a thread about "would XXXX car perform better than another M car with modifications". If I drove a 330i, would you then say “to be fair the 535i has 2 more cylinders and the has more M chassis than the 330i”? Seems ridiculous.

The 535i, regardless of the extent of tuning/tinkering, did not come out of M and did not roll off the line with those fake M badges.

Similary, a G31 540i, regardless of the tuning, modifications, or "M-Sport" upgrades, did not come out of M nor did it roll of the line as an "M540i". It will officially be a 540i with M-Sport package and nothing else. Nothing wrong with that.

The X6M, regardless of how poorly the handling/dynamics as compared to more abled cars, did come of M as an X6M. It is officially an X6M.

The above are facts, not opinions. Your opinion about whether you would prefer to have a 535i in your garage vs X6M, is completely irrelvant with the fact that, the 535i had fake M badges. Nor is "how expensive would it be mod an X6 to have similar X6M characteristics" relevant to this thread.

So I should walk into the BMW dealership and demand that they sell me an X6M at the price of an X6 plus the additional costs it would take to “tinker” the suspension etc, add 2 more cylinders etc?

Take the L.

And, which non Ms came with the S63? Not the 5 series...

[KurtsM5]

Look, the world record holder in global sales.

[KurtsM5]

Originally Posted by BimmersAndBoilermakers

Not BMW related, but a ridiculous one I came across this past week.

Running on 4 space savers?

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by I Luv BMW

You seem to be missing the point, again. Why have you turned this into 535i vs X6M discussion. You seem intent on knocking the X6M but not sure what the point is in the context of this thread…? Is it because you feel that the 535i or a 540i with M sport package is more deserving of an M badge? You seem to feel very strongly about this. Then start a different thread.

On a thread about fake badges (i.e., did the car company from the factor with the suspect badging), you made a post implying that because a 535i has superior handling/chassis characteristics than an X6M, that a fake M badge on a 535i is somehow, justified. You then made a further post to support this proposition by saying that if the same level of "M tinkering" was applied to a 535i, that the 535i would have superior outcomes.

Both posts are irrelevant in the context of this thread. It is not a thread about "would XXXX car perform better than another M car with modifications". If I drove a 330i, would you then say “to be fair the 535i has 2 more cylinders and the has more M chassis than the 330i”? Seems ridiculous.

The 535i, regardless of the extent of tuning/tinkering, did not come out of M and did not roll off the line with those fake M badges.

Similary, a G31 540i, regardless of the tuning, modifications, or "M-Sport" upgrades, did not come out of M nor did it roll of the line as an "M540i". It will officially be a 540i with M-Sport package and nothing else. Nothing wrong with that.

The X6M, regardless of how poorly the handling/dynamics as compared to more abled cars, did come of M as an X6M. It is officially an X6M.

The above are facts, not opinions. Your opinion about whether you would prefer to have a 535i in your garage vs X6M, is completely irrelvant with the fact that, the 535i had fake M badges. Nor is "how expensive would it be mod an X6 to have similar X6M characteristics" relevant to this thread.

So I should walk into the BMW dealership and demand that they sell me an X6M at the price of an X6 plus the additional costs it would take to “tinker” the suspension etc, add 2 more cylinders etc?

Take the L.

You can write as many words as you want, but you can't change physics.

That some dude putting a discreet M badge on the left of his trunk has you in such a tiff is most amusing.

Not as amusing as the existence of an X6M, but amusing nonetheless.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by M2siast

As much as you'd love your car to be special, it isn't. An X6M is a true M car.
"Nose heavy": the X6M has a 51.6% weight bias towards the front. I bet it's less nose heavy than a non-M car (the 535i or your car).

"A Civic would never be an M3, it's nose heavy":

BMW M2 Competition (F87): 7:52.36 @ Nürburgring Nordschleife
Honda Civic Type R: 7:39.691 @ Nürburgring Nordschleife (Current FWD car record holder. 7:44.881 on the 20,832 m lap)

Lastly, this is the fake badges thread. If a car doesn't come with them from factory, putting badges in the car makes it fake. Whether you believe they are more deserving of the badge or not. It's an optional attendance thread.

Rather than get upset and create scenarios that you think constitute an argument against basic physics, just accept reality and move on. Then there won't be a need to discuss further.

Reality: A RWD or rear-biased AWD chassis that has a low COG, polar moment, and good weight distribution will always be better in road applications than a chassis that does not have those things or fewer of those things.

You can tinker with the suspension kinematics and geometry, but some qualities cannot be engineered out.

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by Neusser

You can write as many words as you want, but you can't change physics.

That some dude putting a discreet M badge on the left of his trunk has you in such a tiff is most amusing.

Not as amusing as the existence of an X6M, but amusing nonetheless.

Sure. Says the guy that feels the need to defend a fake M535i in "Fake badges" thread by arguing how much better the 535i is than the car which the poster drives.

Tiff? You are attempting to take the "grown man" angle but let's not get it twisted. I posted pics of a fake M535i (the badges were not discreet - not that it even matters for this thread) which is the whole point of this thread? Seems you just couldn't handle an X6M owner posting a photo of a fake M535i and proceeded to argue how 'inferior' the X6M is to the "M"535i and the physics. Talk physics all you like - it doesn't change the fact that the M535i is fake. Accept the fact that the M535i is fake, no matter how much better you think it is than the X6M. All I did was point out that the physics etc are irrelevant to fact that the M535i is fake.

You seem to have some weird superiority complex in that you are fixated on "the X6M is not a worthy M car". Would anything change if I drove a 218i? What if drove a 540i? Or 540i with x drive and special M Sport tack ons? I used to point out fake badges all the time when I drove a 328i.

Your posts defending a fake M535i and knocking the poster's X6M in a "Fake badges thread" is telling. You probably have/had fake badges on your “540i Xdrive m sport aero package”. Your logic seems to be that - if the X6M has M badging then the 535i and your 540i (as the successor to the 535i) should be worthy of M badging, which why it is so important for you to specify that your 540i is an xdrive with m-sport stick ons in your profile to distinguish it from the lowly 540i “Luxury Line”? Your insecurity is painfully obvious. The fact is, your 540i is still just a 540i.

I’m more than happy to accept that the 535i or any other cars may drive better than the X6M. More than happy to accept the physics. More than happy to accept that it is a "nose heavy grocery getter". You can knock the X6M all you like. No slight on me and all it does it further highlight your insecurity and doesn’t change the fact that the 535i badges are fake and that the X6M is an M (because it came out M?), and that your 540i is just a 540i with or without Msport tack ons. Accept that fact and move on. You will also see that at no point have I defended the X6M in any way, other than to point out to the fact that it is an M.

My next or 2nd daily driver is likely to be a G30 530i or G20 330i. It will be "just a 530i" or "just a 330i" but I'll still be posting fake M pictures.

[I Luv BMW]

Am I allowed to post there even though my x6M s a tall, nose-heavy car designed almost entirely for getting groceries, albeit in inclement weather or where one deals with the occasional muddy farm road which has no place as a performance car and the CLA200 AMG has better driving dynamics?

[Tyga11]

The worst offenders are the people who put the M colors on the grill of non M's. I see it all the time on base X3's / X5's / etc. I have no idea what would compel someone to do this

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Now that’s a car. See how balanced and well mannered it is? It’s hugging the road, and you can see the weight is well distributed not only front to back, but also side to side. A true sports car.
Well deserving of the AMG badge; the owner did Mercedes a favour correcting their mistake.

How dare I post this photo??? Surely I can only post this if I am driving at a minimum, a "CLA 250 AMG" or a 540i (not just any old luxury line 540i, but one with xdrive and msport package)?

[KurtsM5]

Originally Posted by Neusser

You can write as many words as you want, but you can't change physics.

That some dude putting a discreet M badge on the left of his trunk has you in such a tiff is most amusing.

Not as amusing as the existence of an X6M, but amusing nonetheless.

The 5 series ///M is the M5. It has the S63 engine. Yours?

[KurtsM5]

What's hilarious to me is the X6M "grocery getter" has the S63 engine and would blow the doors off any 5 series besides an M5.

[jessejericho]

The new Audi x Ford Crosstang Q5 GT

[I Luv BMW]

Originally Posted by KurtsM5

What's hilarious to me is the X6M "grocery getter" has the S63 engine and would blow the doors off any 5 series besides an M5.

Doesn't matter, the X6M is a nose-heavy high-riding SUV with some M-tinkering and upgraded shocks, springs, and bushings which really aren't that expensive?

FWIW, should the M550i also be on that list? Love that car!

[I Luv BMW]

Slightly off topic and not really sure what all this is means, but OK.