[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Having NY city in my territory for decades I can tell you for certain that packing those parking garages with overweight EV's will not end well.

Exactly what I am thinking too. All those parking garages that were build in the 70,80 even 90, they were not built to carry those extra heavy loads from EV cars. Nightmare is going to happen anytime soon.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I am not opposed to ICE cars. I sold my X5 but I want an M2,M3 or M4 as my weekend car. I still miss the sound of that BMW straight 6 engine, but I don't miss oil changes and related ICE maintenance. If I didn't have a kid in college. I would be looking for an M2 or M3 this weekend.

I just know my Tesla works for me. Someone commented about Tesla having an advantage because they have a charging network. I assume when Tesla started that they had far less money than GM or Ford. Tesla had a vision and went for it. Notice how all the other EV makers are going to the NACS charging system now. (Tesla plug)

They supercharged the ev revolution way ahead of schedule with their half baked stripper interior bare minimalist nondescript egg nog cars. Paired with social media marketing. Pathetic cars. I cross drove a y when I had the g05 x5 and they were dire in comparison in every way except the drivetrain which I enjoyed.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I am not opposed to ICE cars. I sold my X5 but I want an M2,M3 or M4 as my weekend car. I still miss the sound of that BMW straight 6 engine, but I don't miss oil changes and related ICE maintenance. If I didn't have a kid in college. I would be looking for an M2 or M3 this weekend.

I just know my Tesla works for me. Someone commented about Tesla having an advantage because they have a charging network. I assume when Tesla started that they had far less money than GM or Ford. Tesla had a vision and went for it. Notice how all the other EV makers are going to the NACS charging system now. (Tesla plug)

But GM and Ford and Toyota support a nearly 100 year old legacy ICEV solution that supports nearly 99% (at the time of Tesla corporate development) of the private light-duty personal automobile fleet. Ford and GM also support a significant portion of the heavy-duty vehicle market.

Was every vehicle manufacturer supposed to develop their own proprietary charging network? How would have Tesla survived had the obscene investment dollars thrown at it had those dollars been spread over the six or so significant industry leaders? Had there not been basically an investment guarantee backed by Uncle Sam one has to doubt would Tesla have seen the investment it did.

Going to the NACS charging format is not going to be the God-send everyone thinks it will be. Tesla's network is not infinite and there are large gaps in charging infrastructure density both in Europe and the US. Not every Tesla charger will work with CSS EV. Tesla can't support the entire US EV conversion alone, not in vehicle production nor infrastructure density.

We are seeing now that EV adoption may be slowing after the initial 10 years and may never see the market absorption wished for. The book still has a lot of chapters to be written.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Canada to mandate all vehicles be zero-emission by 2035 because 'wait times' for EVs are 'too long': Report
December 19, 2023
The new legislation, named the Electric Vehicle Availability Standard, will allegedly shorten alleged wait times for EVs.
A senior government official spoke to the Toronto Star, but the outlet agreed not to name the official due to the policy not being made public yet.
"This is helping to solve one of the greatest barriers to EVs uptake: that wait times are too long," the official claimed. "We are making sure that supply is going toward Canadian markets, because one of the issues with EVs is that we're competing against other markets where the actual EVs are being shipped to," the official added.
The law will require that 20% of car sales be electric cars in 2026, 60% in 2030, and of course 100% by 2035. Companies can also reportedly receive credits toward their zero-emission vehicle sales before the regulations are put into effect in 2026.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/cda-ev...zero-emissions

Merry Christmas you Canadians! Considering the EV current sales slump in the Unites States I suspect we can ship them all they want.

Canadian here, the liberal government announced this but 200% it’d be pushed back. Our election is in 2025, I highly highly doubt this gets much support at this point in time when most electorates have better things to worry. Let’s not forget Trudeau is not exactly Mr.popular right now so there is more than likely a shift in power, though I doubt either side will form a majority at this point, natural result is. This will never happen on time.

Bottom line, we like to announce things, and expect it to happen about 200 years later.

Merry Christmas to you Americans too

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Having NY city in my territory for decades I can tell you for certain that packing those parking garages with overweight EV's will not end well.

lmao
the hyperbolic nonsense on here is hilarious

a Model 3 wieghs about 200 lbs more than a 3 series and about 200 lbs less than a 5 series

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

lmao
the hyperbolic nonsense on here is hilarious

Not every one drives a Tesla.

"State of play: Electric vehicles can be anywhere from hundreds to thousands of pounds heavier than similarly sized gas vehicles because EV batteries are so much heavier than engines."
While the Manhattan parking garage collapse in early April was not blamed on EVs, the disaster nonetheless underscored an issue of growing concern: whether aging roads and old garages can handle all the extra weight.
Less than two weeks before the collapse, a British Parking Association official recommended that parking structures integrate higher load-bearing weights amid concerns about more EVs, the Telegraph reported.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/28/evs...afety-problems

[Car-Addicted]

A little off target but the Green grift rolls on. Which car companies will be added to the list before this is over?

“Last summer the Department of Energy (DOE) gave it a $6.7 million grant and earlier this year it received a $1.4 million contract from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). This week SunPower shares are down sharply following a Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filing warning of “substantial doubt” about its ability to continue operating.” Judicial Watch reported.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

A million here, a million there and pretty soon you're talking about real money. Hey we can just print more money, what could possibly go wrong?

[AmuroRay]

Money laundering

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Money laundering

Precisely.

[Car-Addicted]

BMW USA CEO: Slower Growth in EV Sales, 6 EV Models from Spartanburg Plant
December 13, 2023
Addressing the challenges of pricing in the EV market, Mackensen highlighted BMW’s approach of offering lease credits to retail customers. By leveraging federal subsidies through this incentive program, BMW aims to make its electric lineup more accessible to consumers. Mackensen emphasized, “The consumer doesn’t seem to be open to pay a real price premium for a different propulsion technology.”
Currently, inventory levels are almost back to pre-COVID levels and the overall demand for vehicles slowed down. BMW’s EVs have also been heavily incetivized recently with the iX having credits as high as $9500 and with dealers discounting more than 10 percent on average.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/12/13/b...o-on-ev-sales/

I'm sure everyone is shocked at this news.
Me, if you're going to buy a EV I hope you buy a quality car built in the USA.

[Mr. Jonathan]

We just bought an IX. Love ride even though the charging infrastructure isn’t built out in area. The dealer is just down the road and we are able to use one of its superchargers for free. Charging at home (level 2) works just fine. Time will tell if this purchase was a mistake but so far so good. My one recommendation is always have an ICE if needed.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Canadian here, the liberal government announced this but 200% it’d be pushed back. Our election is in 2025, I highly highly doubt this gets much support at this point in time when most electorates have better things to worry. Let’s not forget Trudeau is not exactly Mr.popular right now so there is more than likely a shift in power, though I doubt either side will form a majority at this point, natural result is. This will never happen on time.

Bottom line, we like to announce things, and expect it to happen about 200 years later.

Merry Christmas to you Americans too

This is the best statement I heard from a fellow Canadian. It is so true.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

lmao
the hyperbolic nonsense on here is hilarious

a Model 3 wieghs about 200 lbs more than a 3 series and about 200 lbs less than a 5 series

We are comparing the weight of the cars 30, 20 years ago to today EV. Yes, I am belly rolling too

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

We are comparing the weight of the cars 30, 20 years ago to today EV. Yes, I am belly rolling too

OOPS
Safety Experts Worried About Electric Cars’ Weight
1,000 More Pounds = 47% Higher Chance of Dying
A 2011 study by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that “controlling for own-vehicle weight, being hit by a vehicle that is 1,000 pounds heavier results in a 47% increase in the baseline fatality probability.”
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/safety-...c-cars-weight/

[freakystyly]

Hummer EV has entered the chat.

How many more % is 10,000lbs anyways? I actually saw one on the road, and somehow didn't die.

[Car-Addicted]

So would you rather have an collision with a Fiat 500 or a EV Hummer?

[freakystyly]

I feel decently safe in my 2 series actually. There's millions (literally) more pickup trucks with high engine blocks to worry about anyways.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

I feel decently safe in my 2 series actually. There's millions (literally) more pickup trucks with high engine blocks to worry about anyways.

I worry more about long distance LHD foreign lorries on motorways coming up behind you when there's a traffic hold up.

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I worry more about long distance LHD foreign lorries on motorways coming up behind you when there's a traffic hold up.

It's true. I'd still have more faith in a lorrie driver vs a tradesman in a van or pickup truck making better choices on the road. The "legitimate" ones are professional drivers after all. Certified and tested at higher standards than your average soccer mom, plus their career depends on it.

That being said, times have changed and there's more distractions out there for everyone. Someone once said they were watching the geotag filter feature on some social media app like snapchat or instagram, and the majority were from 401 transport truck drivers.

[MmmmmM2]

I just stopped in to see if this thread was finally dead...

I was wrong.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

So would you rather have an collision with a Fiat 500 or a EV Hummer?

Wait until all the EV semi trucks, buses.... I think I will give up driving BMW and switch to battle tank.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

I just stopped in to see if this thread was finally dead...

I was wrong.

EV or no EV is a hot topic. I have friends swear to god the only car he/her will get is EV. Also I have friends after they have their first EVs, then get rid of the EV and they swear to god they will not buy another EV. lol