[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have driven several EV. So the battery tech, it's taken industry 15 years to get lithium-ion battery cost down to the flat part of the cost curve to around $130/kWh and EV are about $15K more expensive than their ICEV equivalent (Tesla being the possible exception). And most manufacturers are losing their ass on EV profitability.

Now we are expecting a lithium solid state battery to provide energy density that gives somewhere between 400 to 600 miles range per charge and recharges in 5 to 10 minutes. But nothing written so far discusses the manufacturing cost curve and what the $/kWh will start at and where the curve flattens out. All for a battery with
much higher performance. On top of what is the necessary charging infrastructure required to charge such a battery. But poof! the magic battery tech will happen and make ICEV obsolete. Industry hasn't even figured out how to mass produce the solid state battery architecture, let alone knows what the costs are.

And then there is the cost and time to build the power generation and infrastructure to deliver it. I've heard that's about $2Trillion for Canada. How much will it cost to charge your car then, how much will taxpayers be on the hook and then how much will it cost to heat and cool your home. Life is going to get a whole lot more expensive and in the end I'm not sure any actual problems with respect to less pollution will have been solved.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

And then there is the cost and time to build the power generation and infrastructure to deliver it. I've heard that's about $2Trillion for Canada. How much will it cost to charge your car then, how much will taxpayers be on the hook and then how much will it cost to heat and cool your home. Life is going to get a whole lot more expensive and in the end I'm not sure any actual problems with respect to less pollution will have been solved.

Like I've said numerous times, the economic impact of the EV transition is going to harm "the children" far in advance of any dreamed up globalwarmingclimatechange impact that is supposed hit in the next 100 years.

[Prossx]

Do you like recalls?

https://qz.com/tesla-car-recalls-chi...ent=1851147591

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Like I've said numerous times, the economic impact of the EV transition is going to harm "the children" far in advance of any dreamed up globalwarmingclimatechange impact that is supposed hit in the next 100 years.

Said it countless times myself, teens now should wise up and make their voices heard about this bad for the long term future deal for them, their children and beyond to come.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Prossx

Do you like recalls?

https://qz.com/tesla-car-recalls-chi...ent=1851147591

Teslas and never ending recalls go hand in hand

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Prossx

Do you like recalls?

And oddly a majority of the Tesla / EV fan boys seem to think auto dealerships are the devil incarnate. Who will handle these warranties?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

And oddly a majority of the Tesla / EV fan boys seem to think auto dealerships are the devil incarnate. Who will handle these warranties?

I don't give a damn who, as long as it's not an independent dealer.

Make them service locations or whatever.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have driven several EV. So the battery tech, it's taken industry 15 years to get lithium-ion battery cost down to the flat part of the cost curve to around $130/kWh and EV are about $15K more expensive than their ICEV equivalent (Tesla being the possible exception). And most manufacturers are losing their ass on EV profitability.

Now we are expecting a lithium solid state battery to provide energy density that gives somewhere between 400 to 600 miles range per charge and recharges in 5 to 10 minutes. But nothing written so far discusses the manufacturing cost curve and what the $/kWh will start at and where and when the curve flattens out. All for a battery with much higher performance. On top of what is the necessary charging infrastructure required to charge such a battery. But poof! the magic battery tech will happen and make ICEV obsolete. Industry hasn't even figured out how to mass produce the solid-state battery architecture, let alone knows what the costs are.

We have to take it easy on ppl who has wet dream and brain fart all the time

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Teslas and never ending recalls go hand in hand

I survived one recently and said never again to myself. My wife even mentioned the toll it took on me.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I survived one recently and said never again to myself. My wife even mentioned the toll it took on me.

I think all of us have jumped on an emerging technology and we should expect a rough road. This is easier to deal with when the experiment is cheaper and not as critical as an automobile. I suspect the acceptance of EV's will drop every year as the issues find their way through the main street media. For the folks who have a fixed commute, can charge at home, afford more than one car, and want this technology, I hope the EV technology becomes more stable. Fact that is hard for me to grasp is that a lot of folks just don't give a "F" about the environment.
The scary part of this is what will be the reaction of the global elites and government grifters when the numbers don't add up. Governing against the will of the majority of the folks often doesn't turn out well.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I think all of us have jumped on an emerging technology and we should expect a rough road. This is easier to deal with when the experiment is cheaper and not as critical as an automobile. I suspect the acceptance of EV's will drop every year as the issues find their way through the main street media. For the folks who have a fixed commute, can charge at home, afford more than one car, and want this technology, I hope the EV technology becomes more stable. Fact that is hard for me to grasp is that a lot of folks just don't give a "F" about the environment.
The scary part of this is what will be the reaction of the global elites and government grifters when the numbers don't add up. Governing against the will of the majority of the folks often doesn't turn out well.

When I got alert for an update/recall on my Tesla app my heart sank. I was relaxing at home when this tragedy struck. I opened the app and could feel my heart racing. I hit accept and the update/recall proceeded. Felt like I had been shot. It’s just not worth it having to hit accept on an app. Sure, I also got the ability to change the lock chime to “good bye” from the turret in the game Portal. But my index finder is still sore from touching the capacitive screen on my phone.

https://www.myinstants.com/en/search/?name=portal

Second row and second from the left. Love that one.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I survived one recently and said never again to myself. My wife even mentioned the toll it took on me.

So your T had an easy update.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

So your T had an easy update.

Updates all the time. On some of the updates they drop something cool. The customize the lock sound was a recent one.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Updates all the time. On some of the updates they drop something cool. The customize the lock sound was a recent one.

A couple we know have a tesla and sent us a short vid of them having a dance next to their tes on NYE with a colourful light show emanating from it.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

One good thing about ev they don't get stolen much.
A. Not many people want them
B. Police can catch them as they can't run far
C. If you put them on a container and ship them to Africa nowhere to charge them
D. Manufacturers can shut them off remotely
Credit where its due

One more bonus point to have EV. It happened to my friend last summer where there was a heatt wave (temp around 38 C) and his house A/C bite the dust. He spent 2 days sleeping in his EV with the A/C on. He told me this is the best money he spent on in his life.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

A couple we know have a tesla and sent us a short vid of them having a dance next to their tes on NYE with a colourful light show emanating from it.

You appear to have friends with a good balance for fun in life.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

You appear to have friends with a good balance for fun in life.

Needless to say they look after us well when we visit and moving from London at the right time for them has something to do with it.

[eugenebmw]

My other EV friend experience. Now he said no more EV cars in his life.

I have owned 2 Teslas starting in 2016 and then again in 2020. I did like the acceleration and simplicity of fewer moving parts. Where I live a trip to the coast to appreciate the Pacific Ocean was one of many types of trips where the range anxiety would set in. No casual driving around because there were literally no fast charging stations there. I could have used the adapter and plugged it into the wall.....but then no driving because it would take all day to get any reasonable "fill up". Frustrating limitations. Locally, occasionally I would go to a shopping center that had 12 charging stalls that were always full....with waiting cars jockeying to find which parking lot lane was the "queue". Our local Amazon Fresh Store boasts of being climate-friendly (Jeff Bezos's influence) by having Three charging station. Always taken. We would go out to eat at a local fancy hotel restaurant that had 8 charging stations (pay with a credit card) that were always full of ICE cars that the valet parked. If anyone with numbers skills runs scalability exercises...it is scary. This last summer California (which will ban ICE cars in a few years) was asking car owners to NOT charge their cars at times because of power grid problems. Even if only 15% or so of current car owners switch to electric we will definitely have massive brownouts. OK..I really liked my Teslas but they are gone now. They were "toys" that had nonsense like "self-driving" that did not work and was dangerous.

[Car-Addicted]

Hyundai is switching lanes from EVs in a quest for another 'clean' fuel
The South Korean automaker announced at a keynote during the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) on Jan. 8 that it is setting forth on a strategy centered around hydrogen fuel that involves the production of hydrogen fuel, storage, transportation and its use throughout its affiliated businesses, including steel making.
Hyundai said that will play a crucial role in its "sustainability roadmap," specifically its RE100 target to use only renewable energy in its overseas factories by 2045, and in every part of the company by 2050.
First, Hyundai is developing methods to transform problem pollutants into hydrogen by using one of two methods in what it calls "reverse circulation technology." Here, the automaker harvests hydrogen molecules from either organic waste — food, sludge or livestock manure, or by breaking down waste plastics.
Additionally, the automaker is developing what it calls megawatt-scale polymer electrolyte membrane, or PEM electrolyzers for hydrogen production. Electrolyzers are key to hydrogen production, as they enable water molecules to be separated down to hydrogen and oxygen in the making of hydrogen fuel.
Last, Hyundai is centering the use of hydrogen throughout critical parts of its logistical chain where it can be used. The company has already begun deploying its hydrogen-powered XCIENT fuel cell trucks at the Port of Oakland and plans to use them at its new EV factory near Savannah, Ga.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tech...9d5e72987&ei=6

So if there is a honest better solution to saving the planet will the EV folks care? Hydrogen will define if this is a cult or a true concern for the planet.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

And oddly a majority of the Tesla / EV fan boys seem to think auto dealerships are the devil incarnate. Who will handle these warranties?

A 'Belgian idiot

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

A 'Belgian idiot

Or truth in advertising EV'ers seem to be big on red light racing.

[Car-Addicted]

Admin drops nearly $1 billion on green bus program inspector general warned was unfeasible
The administration is dispersing nearly another billion dollars in federal grants for school districts nationwide to decarbonize their bus fleets, despite recent inspector general findings casting doubt on the program.
The funding means the agency has now awarded nearly $2 billion for thousands of new buses across hundreds of school districts under its Clean School Bus Program, which was created in late 2021.
However, the EPA Office of Inspector General in late December published the findings of an audit which determined that the Clean School Bus Program was largely dependent on utility companies' ability to increase power supplies. Further, the program may also face significant delays, according to the inspector general, without construction of additional charging stations.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bi...6205b8721&ei=6