[cybermaster]

Originally Posted by John 070

What I found with BMW is the "over invoice" is not reliable. One dealership told me $1000 over invoice--great, on edmunds.com that would equate to $2700 off list. When he gives me the selling price, it is NOT 2700 off list. I haven't put my finger on it, but there are fees that don't show up on edmunds, that the dealer supposedly pays. So I preferred in the end to just talk selling price, and do my own subtraction based on edmunds and bmwusa.com's list price. The other thing that annoyed me was when getting a sell price, again I almost seemingly got $3000+ under list, until the salesman forgot that space gray was a metallic color and he forgot the sport pkg. Really tricky, but in the end it'll be worth it....

From what I gather, there are 2 different invoice price. I learned that after I ordered.

1. True invoice - the price on e90post.com, edmunds.com, carpoint.com, etc.
2. Dealer invoice - the True Invoice plus MACO, training fee.

MACO is Market Co-Op advertising fee. Here at Northern California is $400 for 3 series.

Training Fee is $180.

When dealer shows you the Invoice, it add the Training fee to the base price of the car. In addition, toward the end of the price sheet they add MACO fee of $400.

Hope that helps,

[cybermaster]

Originally Posted by juuni

ordered 335i sedan yesterday. ED, manual, metallic, premium, sport, navi, folding seats, confort access.

$2885 off MSRP, that's $685 over invoice

Juuni,

Could you tell us what invoice price you got? Ture Invoice or Dealer Invoice?

Thanks,

[Bosplya]

I've settled for $42,310 on a 335i e90 sedan,Titanium Silver, Black leatherette, sport pkg, 6spd, nav, heated seats, and sirius. It should arrive a week before Christmas. Can't wait! First Bimmer and I know I'm going to be in love for many years.

Oh....and Hello! First post I think.

[muzeon]

Got my 335i Sedan, jet black, terra int, auto steptronic, premium, sports, cold weather, idrive nav, paddle shifters, comfort access. For $46,120, supposedly $1000 above invoice including any MACO and Training fees. Free BMW mats, although no free keychains and thankyou flowers (my previous BMW purchase experience had it).

I say start negotiating with prices like from cars.com or edmunds.com, they might say their invoice includes MACO fees.

[juuni]

Originally Posted by cybermaster

Juuni,

Could you tell us what invoice price you got? Ture Invoice or Dealer Invoice?

Thanks,

Not sure how you define true invoice vs dealer invoice?

I'm talking invoice as per this topic on bimmerfest: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=158308

This matched exactly what the dealer used as well when i started talking about $X over invoice, so I'm guessing this is dealer invoice.

What's true invoice?

[IraXI]

Originally Posted by juuni

What's true invoice?

Theirs invoice.. which is what you see and then their is net. A net deal means invoice minus reserve. Reserve money is more or less the money that the dealer will get back from BMW from selling you a car. I do not sell BMW but I would get a loaded 3 has about $900 to $1500 in reserve money. This is how dealers blow out cars and sell them for below invoice usually break even on those particular cars. Cars such as this are dealer demos (new titled cars with miles on them).. old inventory (undesired cars that sit on the lot for a while), ad cars (this is a great way to buy a car), year end models etc.


The best way to get a deal on a car is know their ad in the paper as well as they do and be prepared. Know what stock number(s) the ad pertains to and say you want that car. Dealers will do anything to take you off the "ad car" becuase the as is a net deal and sometimes for big dealers it is a blow (they lose money) just to advertise their "low price". Most ads use matching cash/trade so be prepared to have money to put down. Some also have certain incentives in their as well.. manufacters rebates are always in their and sometimes things like "college grad rebate". For nissan if you graduated college within 2 years your eligable for that.. any kind of incentive like that will be thrown into the ad so know how to handle it. Also a lot say you "must" finance with the dealer... know their buy rate.. you can actually get the buy rate sheets right off the net.. so find out what banks they use.


I kind of went off on a tangent their.. I hope I was helpful. :rocks:



Matt

[Dmitriy@AUTOcouture]

Got mine today,

'07 328XI

6MT
White, Black interior, Aluminum trim
Premium
Sport
Navi w/idrive
Heated Seats
Logic 7
Xenons
$300 Wheel Upgrade

Leased from Walter @ Bell BMW in Newton, NJ. Awesome sales man, beat everyones price!!!!

$455/month, 27 months, 10K miles/year, $3500(including PA 9% tax, fees, and cap reduction) out of pocket

Btw, this is my first post!

-Dmitriy

[crazycanuck]

Hi, This is my first post and my first BMW. I live in the Denver area and I just ordered a:

328i
jet black
auto
heated seats
power seats
sports package

I really wanted the 335, but we're on a budget (read: my wife said no). I work for the Canadian Government, so I was able to get diplomatic pricing. We saved over $2100USD off the US MSRP and about $10,000CAN off the Canadian MSRP! Either way, I think we did OK. If anyone has questions about diplomatic pricing, (I think I read some somewhere, but I can't find them.), I'll try and help out. Now comes the crappy part, waiting 75-90 days! I'd just like to thank everyone for the info provided on this site. The pricing info really helped to get a great deal (we were able to start from the diplomatic invoice price and work up from there). We shopped around and were comfortable paying the price we did. We'd researched for over a year and one thing I learned was that the dealers don't deal much as the cars practically sell themselves (I know what my next job will be). Thanks again.

Crazy Canuck

[BK]

Congrats, guys, on your new cars! Yes, the waiting is the hardest part.

[infamous1]

Ordered mine on Dec. 11th, should be arriving mid-late jan. Paid $44,000 includes:

2007 Alpine White 335i Sedan w/Black Dakota Leather
Aluminum Trim
6MT
Navigation
Premium Package
Sports Package
Park Distance Control
Heated Steats
Alum Pedals (Was included at no cost)

Can't wait till I get it, my first BMW coming from an '04 Acura TL.. I'm excited just tired of waiting and I still got a month to go

[Phil R]

Can't wait! 2007 335i sedan, Sp. Graphite, Blk leather, pp, sp, cwp. Sticker price $44,920.00. I'm leasing for 36 months, 12,000 m/yr, no cap reduction up front, $567.00 mo. How's the price?

[mavic1010]

got a 07 335i sedan for $570 (with tax) for 36 months. 12k miles a year. No cap reduction, just first month and DMV fees

Jet Black
6 speed
Sport
Premium
Nav
Comfort Access

MSRP 46,050

[jjlawyer]

"got a 07 335i sedan for $570 (with tax) for 36 months. 12k miles a year. No cap reduction, just first month and DMV fees"

mavic1010 - Which dealer did you get this from? Do you have contact info?

[Geoff]

$500 over invoice at Weatherford Berkeley, CA from Grace Wong. She made it easy, and asked me how much I wanted her to make off the deal, reasonably.

2007 328i Sedan
Jet Black
Steptronic
ZPP
ZSP
Comfort Access
Xenon
Logic 7

[InterlagosRob]

Just grabbed a car that was already in transit.

335i
Sparkling Graphite, black leather, aluminum trim
Sport Pack
Premium Pack
Nav
Sirius
Comfort access
Auto w/ paddle shifters

$48490 MSRP
$46375 Sale price ($2115 off MSRP)
36 months/10k a year
Paying up front costs only, no capital reduction.
$598 plus tax/month.

Just got out of my 2005 ZCP M3 using Swap-a-lease.com Needed 4 doors and an auto so I can get more use out of the car. Driving 7500 a year while paying for 10k a year ticked me off, especially with a $850 payment.

[daskino12]

Hello,

Has anyone placed BMW 335i Coupe with any dealers at NorCal? If so, which ones are good?

Thanks

[benMW holla]

the 335xi sedan is going into march 07 production/april delivery and im ordering Black Saphire,
Premium Pack,
Sport Pack,
Cold Weather Pack,
no navigation,
in manual transmission.
the guy at BMW of bridgeport self proclaimed dealership of Most BMWs sold from Maine to Florida every year told me that it would be
43,900 after shipping cost!!


plus im writing off to uncle sam as a bussiness expense

[John 070]

Originally Posted by benMW holla

plus im writing off to uncle sam as a bussiness expense

Here we go again....like the Seinfeld episode.

[IndianPoweredE90]

335i Sedan E90
Jet Black
6MT
No Options.

OTD $41,166.39

1k above Invoice.

[wwarmfie]

MSRP on mine was $36,115. I paid $34,543. So I got a discount of $1,592. Plus, at the end I asked him to throw in Chrome Tips (since I didn't get the Sport Pkg.) and he came back in 5 minutes and told me I could have them if I bought it then and put them on myself. I smiled and agreed. Also, when he showed us the sheet he had wheel locks already on the car and I said I didn't want them. He told me it was more expensive to take them off, and decided to give those free too!! Total savings = $1,592 + $68 + $129 = $1,789!!!

[Duquesne]

07 335i Sedan

Sparkling Graphite
Sport
Sirius
Heated Seats

MSRP: 42565
Purchase Price: 40735

35/12k Lease : 63% Residual, .0015 Money Factor

[iatacs19]

2007 335i Sedan March production

Alpine White/Black Leather/Aluminum

Premium
Sport
Navigation
Comfort Access
USB Audio (6FL)

My price: $43,689 + TTL

Out the door: $45,000




I don't know how much the 6FL option is, should find out soon. I was told I am paying $210 over invoice.