[Jozy]

Originally Posted by saddart

Sorry what do they mean by 0sec (pedal only control)??

means you gotta feather the throttle for the burbles, the old way

[OzCoE92]

A couple of observations I have noticed. There is a definite jerking when letting off the throttle in manual mode in 2nd and 3rd gear. The cracks only happen super loud in 2nd at around 2500-3000 rpms and up, I did scare the crap out of some old lady the other day when it backfired super loud. Also, there seems to be a dramatic rise in oil temperature when driving with this flashed in manual mode, I'm hitting 240-250 in stop and go traffic, that's with new coolant, radiator, water pump and oil cooler. I'm running aggressive, maximum duration with stock downpipes and a BMW PE, I'm going to dial it back to 2-3 seconds tonight. Otherwise, it's a pretty awesome feature. Thanks to Martial and Jake!

[jyamona]

Originally Posted by Jozy

so much more control

i guess the softest setting is for the jerking manual people to try?

No, the jerkiness fix will be coming soon. It is different.

[J. Dub]

Originally Posted by Supra2k6

nvm i googled your exhaust and i have the same one as yours. So you complete deleted the mufflers and have aftermarket dps?

very interested to hear how yours sounds.

i'm on max on both settings catless with x pipe and it pops and cracks but sounds muffled. i'd be awesome if you can post a vid.

Originally Posted by jyamona

No, the jerkiness fix will be coming soon. It is different.

Any chance of a longer than 5 second duration?

[Antetokounmpo]

Originally Posted by J. Dub

Any chance of a longer than 5 second duration?

[J. Dub]

Originally Posted by OzCoE92

The cracks only happen super loud in at around 2500-3000 rpms

Yes, I don't understand this strange thing on my AT 2010 e92 with medium aggression level and 5 sec duration.

The only time it's at the noise level I like (super loud) is when I'm in the 2200-2800 rpm range NO MATTER what gear or what engine temp. Also, no matter if I change the noise level to super loud aggressive (1 above medium) it's the same.

I was hoping it would get louder as the rpm's climb when u let off. Like say 4k rpms but oddly, 2200-2800 is my sweet spot. Anyone else? 3000GT MR

[3000GT MR]

Originally Posted by J. Dub

Yes, I don't understand this strange thing on my AT 2010 e92 with medium aggression level and 5 sec duration.

The only time it's at the noise level I like (super loud) is when I'm in the 2200-2800 rpm range NO MATTER what gear or what engine temp. Also, no matter if I change the noise level to super loud aggressive (1 above medium) it's the same.

I was hoping it would get louder as the rpm's climb when u let off. Like say 4k rpms but oddly, 2200-2800 is my sweet spot. Anyone else? 3000GT MR

I've been playing around with a few things lately. 1 being that if you let off during normal driving its equivalent to low aggression but when you rev match or engine brake it goes to a high aggression. It makes it less annoying for some driving situations. The other part to it is aggression by rpm. On top of all this i have cut the jerkiness down by about 75%. I'm waiting for jyamona and probably my local AT guy to try it out and see if they're results in the same. I actually like this and will keep it. I have it set to 2.3 seconds.

[89mustaine]

Originally Posted by J. Dub

Yes, I don't understand this strange thing on my AT 2010 e92 with medium aggression level and 5 sec duration.

The only time it's at the noise level I like (super loud) is when I'm in the 2200-2800 rpm range NO MATTER what gear or what engine temp. Also, no matter if I change the noise level to super loud aggressive (1 above medium) it's the same.

I was hoping it would get louder as the rpm's climb when u let off. Like say 4k rpms but oddly, 2200-2800 is my sweet spot. Anyone else? 3000GT MR

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

I've been playing around with a few things lately. 1 being that if you let off during normal driving its equivalent to low aggression but when you rev match or engine brake it goes to a high aggression. It makes it less annoying for some driving situations. The other part to it is aggression by rpm. On top of all this i have cut the jerkiness down by about 75%. I'm waiting for jyamona and probably my local AT guy to try it out and see if they're results in the same. I actually like this and will keep it. I have it set to 2.3 seconds.

Originally Posted by 89mustaine

Second, or 20th here I guess. Noticeable Jerkiness that can be dialed out with the right foot but it's definitely there. Also I put about 400 miles on the car this weekend, all kinds of roads, streets and my mpg is only down by .2 (yes I reset it) With the setting on aggressive I can even hear it burbling when I coast on the freeway above 70ish since my rpms are over 2k.

Here's some cracks on a sharp decline windy road.

Engine braking is the key to the aggressiveness I believe. See video, no much throttle just light acceleration at about 4k rpm and when I let off its machine guns a blazing. I'm suprised you're not getting more noise above 2800. My exhaust is mostly stock (muffler delete) If I put the car in D I wont hear anything at ALL unless I'm on the freeway above 75 and let off I get gurgles since rpms are above 2200ish

[tofu?]

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

I've been playing around with a few things lately. 1 being that if you let off during normal driving its equivalent to low aggression but when you rev match or engine brake it goes to a high aggression. It makes it less annoying for some driving situations. The other part to it is aggression by rpm. On top of all this i have cut the jerkiness down by about 75%. I'm waiting for jyamona and probably my local AT guy to try it out and see if they're results in the same. I actually like this and will keep it. I have it set to 2.3 seconds.

Sounds perfect

[F80Mmm]

Originally Posted by J. Dub

Any chance of a longer than 5 second duration?

Good call, I noticed you just have to slightly tap the throttle again to get another 5s countdown. It doesn't happen often where I'll let off the gas for longer than 5s and stay in the same gear, but it would be cool.

[89mustaine]

Originally Posted by E90Crack

Good call, I noticed you just have to slightly tap the throttle again to get another 5s countdown. It doesn't happen often where I'll let off the gas for longer than 5s and stay in the same gear, but it would be cool.

True and True! I tried this on a long decent right after that video, tapping the throttle restarts the timer I guess. But I notice my engine oil temp rising, others have reported this too, I'm not sure I it was related I've never paid attention to it during engine breaking until now.

[Turkish Mafia]

Currently using Medium 2s on 335i N54 with IJE0S - Stage 2 MHD Flash.

No jerkiness or other symptoms to report on my end.

[BMWhoarder]

Another pisitive Side effect of this: my turbos are shot and usually result in a puff of smoke after deceleration. The implementation of this is has significantly reduced the occurrences to the point that I no longer need to drive around with the aircon set to re-circ to avoid the smoke smell.

[Jozy]

I like that you guys are really perfecting the formula instead of "here, it's done, next"

Respect!

[TrollToll]

So just to get this straight, you guys are now going to do it the way that Twisted Tuning did it a few weeks ago, and you guys deemed it "incorrect"? That's cool I guess, but at least give the guy credit.

[Turkish Mafia]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

So just to get this straight, you guys are now going to do it the way that Twisted Tuning did it a few weeks ago, and you guys deemed it "incorrect"? That's cool I guess, but at least give the guy credit.

What makes you say that this is the way they will doing it from here on out?

[jyamona]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

So just to get this straight, you guys are now going to do it the way that Twisted Tuning did it a few weeks ago, and you guys deemed it "incorrect"? That's cool I guess, but at least give the guy credit.

No, it is 100% different.

MHD 0 seconds "pedal control": user can physically control the burble themselves by lightly pressing the pedal. (This is the way users *always* have been able to get the burble, but you can now tweak the aggressiveness)

MHD 1-5 seconds: fuel cut delay set to X seconds, plus aggressiveness adjustment

Twisted's Method: force the throttle to stay open a tiny bit when your foot is not on the accel pedal at all, by using existing torque request tables. Note: This method is still not the "proper" way to do it. It won't play nice with the DME fuel cut monitoring over time, and causes RPM to shoot up on a WOT shift if it's in the adjusted torque request RPM / speed range.

See the difference?

[TGNY 335]

Originally Posted by jyamona

Twisted's Method: force the throttle to stay open a tiny bit when your foot is not on the accel pedal at all, by using existing torque request tables. Note: This method is still not the "proper" way to do it. It won't play nice with the DME fuel cut monitoring over time, and causes RPM to shoot up on a WOT shift if it's in the adjusted torque request RPM / speed range.

See the difference?

sorry, not true. the throttle is not being forced open anymore than it was already without (throttle remains open a bit always with the foot is off the pedal anyway for idle). which was explained when i told you about it. Nor has it effected anything with fuel cut or cause RPMs to shoot up during any high load shifting. Can it be made to cause that? sure if you overdo certain things, As with anything. Not here to argue, just pointing out that everything you said it causes, it does not, when done correctly. and achieves Exactly what your way does. injectors dont cut fuel until you want them to.

And, there hasn't been any jerkiness or issues, just a note.

Both ways work and achieve exactly the same thing. overrun so to speak without the need of throttle manipulation and use timing for aggressiveness. Twisted's way by RPM/Vehicle speed window, yours by time or foot modulation. Both achieve same results.

regardless,

[jyamona]

Originally Posted by TGNY 335

sorry, not true. the throttle is not being forced open anymore than it was already without (throttle remains open a bit always with the foot is off the pedal anyway for idle). which was explained when i told you about it. Nor has it effected anything with fuel cut or cause RPMs to shoot up during any high load shifting. Can it be made to cause that? sure if you overdo certain things, As with anything. Not here to argue, just pointing out that everything you said it causes, it does not, when done correctly. and achieves Exactly what your way does. injectors dont cut fuel until you want them to.

And, there hasn't been any jerkiness or issues, just a note.

Both ways work and achieve exactly the same thing. overrun so to speak without the need of throttle manipulation and use timing for aggressiveness. Twisted's way by RPM/Vehicle speed window, yours by time or foot modulation. Both achieve same results.

regardless,

2%, 1%, and 0.6% torque request all caused issues for me.

2% caused RPM to increase very slightly on a WOT shift. 1% and 0.6% did not cause RPM to increase on a shift, however if I go WOT and just let off the throttle in that RPM range (without pressing clutch in), the throttle does not close as expected and the car keeps on boosting full steam ahead for a second. This almost caused an accident yesterday (car broke traction on full spool, I lifted, car did not stop boosting)

The fuel cut monitoring, the DME expects fuel cut within a given time. It knows fuel cut is delayed if you use the delay tables, it does not if you use torque request to prevent it. Will it throw a code eventually? It may or may not. It's also tied to NoX regeneration, multispark mode, etc. I just prefer to use the correct tables.

As for the jerkiness, that has nothing to do with the fuel cut delay tables, it is timing axis related and will be fixed shortly.

[TGNY 335]

Originally Posted by jyamona

2%, 1%, and 0.6% torque request all caused issues for me.

2% caused RPM to increase very slightly on a WOT shift. 1% and 0.6% did not cause RPM to increase on a shift, however if I go WOT and just let off the throttle in that RPM range (without pressing clutch in), the throttle does not close as expected and the car keeps on boosting full steam ahead for a second. This almost caused an accident yesterday (car broke traction on full spool, I lifted, car did not stop boosting)

The fuel cut monitoring, the DME expects fuel cut within a given time. It knows fuel cut is delayed if you use the delay tables, it does not if you use torque request to prevent it. Will it throw a code eventually? It may or may not. It's also tied to NoX regeneration, multispark mode, etc. I just prefer to use the correct tables.

As for the jerkiness, that has nothing to do with the fuel cut delay tables, it is timing axis related and will be fixed shortly.

Shoot me a message on FB with a screen shot of your changes you were running on that situation. I've never seen that happen at all.

[unrealii]

Originally Posted by J. Dub

Any chance of a longer than 5 second duration?

5 secs isn't long enough to impress da ladies??

[89mustaine]

Originally Posted by unrealii

5 secs isn't long enough to impress da ladies??

What if it was INFINITE duration until you apply brake or something lol. As silly as that sounds it would be cool on a softer setting to just have continual burbles as you coast around. I can't imagine a constant cracking on down hill engine braking would be good for anything though.