[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

In the States You can find used Gt4s with low miles for about 120k.

Yeah screw that

Very close to being out of warranty as well

[baron95]

I specced MP HAS on my build for port install - but I'll be honest, I'm a bit nervous about it, as there is virtually no before/after track reviews or lap times. The best I was able to find is a G80 guy who did some laps on 3 tracks stock, then came back with more camber and KW/MP HAS and did laps and was ˜1.5 sec/lap faster.

Problem is that it was his first time on the tracks stock, then second time with MP HAS, then you have the camber addition. Hardly an apples to apples. He does like how the car handles on track with KW/MP HAS, specially on transitions, though.

So I'm rolling the dice, and none of the tracks I run is nearly as bumpy as some of the N-ring sections.

As to KW vs MP HAS, I see no indication that there is any difference other than the color of the springs. Just like they didn't bother to tune for the G87, they probably didn't change a thing for the G80/82 either. They didn't even have different versions for a G80 xDrive to a G87, two very different versions of the platform.

I think they just slapped an MP label and called it a day. Which is OK - KW is a competent company.

But who knows how well it will work.

[apez]

Surely there has to be a vendor out there with both kits that can actually compare.

I would also like to know what springs this car had on it. Personally I will never get as much out of a car on a track as this guy, but I am interested in a slight drop for ascetics. I am wary of making the ride too harsh though, as the ride in the F87 I test drove was quite harsh so I went with the G87 for the adaptive dampers.

[GT3M2]

Originally Posted by apez

Surely there has to be a vendor out there with both kits that can actually compare.

I would also like to know what springs this car had on it. Personally I will never get as much out of a car on a track as this guy, but I am interested in a slight drop for ascetics. I am wary of making the ride too harsh though, as the ride in the F87 I test drove was quite harsh so I went with the G87 for the adaptive dampers.

The factory g87 setup is very good.

If interested in not making it handle worse and wanting to lower you’ll probably have to wait for proper coil overs, at which point the ride will be far more firm than factory.

-GT3M2

[Tag]

Just getting around to reading this thread. Lots of conjecture around lowering a car. In this instance the car does not have star spec MP4S tires which will alter the cars handling and dampening. Also, they mention springs but not what type. If they are not properly matched to the dampers it will handle like shit. Furthermore, if they didn't also install shorter bump stops the car was likely riding them and again it will perform like shit. Installing springs is not the same as using a quality HAS kit that comes with shorter bump stops.

You can still get full suspension travel with a high quality HAS kit with the added benefit of lowering the entire cars center of gravity and will outhandle an OEM setup.

[NotSharocks]

I was at the Ring on the 20th and 21st.

I rented a track prepped F87 DCT and it was great.

I also saw this car rolling around the area.

Personally, I do believe black is the best color for the entire BMW lineup at the moment.

Also they all sound atrocious.

BMW was hosting an M Driving Event and my god I had to rev the M850i I had as a rental to stop the pain LOL.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by Tag

You can still get full suspension travel with a high quality HAS kit with the added benefit of lowering the entire cars center of gravity and will outhandle an OEM setup.

That is my "hope", so I specced the MP HAS on my build.

But I have seen no data to back this up. I hope you are right.

Do you have any experience driving a G8X car before and after a MP or KW HAS install on track?

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

Pro drivers are no YouTubers.

https://www.youtube.com/@NicoRosberg/videos

But he is no longer racing professionaly, so I guess he also doesnt fit your criteria. I dont know a professional race car driver who is also a youtuber. May be there is one out there of course but your criteria is pretty harsh.

Misha is a professional, but not a professional to a degree you perhaps expect. But he is pretty good I think in terms of feedback, works with sherman bmw, worked for Rimac, worked with the Mantey Racing. His CV is ok I think, better than, say, most of Youtube car reviewers from Chris Harris (good) to just good car reviewers like Harry's Garage. Wouldn not dismiss. You probably can get a wide variety of these dudes reviewing the car - from Doug Demuro to Misha to CarMagazine to Camisa to whatever and get some kind of picture. This comparison to M3-M4 is pretty good. They ran that car as a taxi on the ring, have a decent thought of what M2 would "feel like".

[AndreM2]

Originally Posted by M2siast

https://youtu.be/Q9aTNbc6YdQ?si=0eSTAel0w4Yps1RW

[baron95]

Well....what can I say....of course, right after I put a post saying I don't think Misha is too aggressive on the ring, he puts a GR86 on the wall with Joe Achilles as pax.

Oh well....

[baron95]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

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Ha - guess we both saw it at the same time

[AndreM2]

I find it incredible that people exist that let him drive their brand new bmw s, porsche s, etc. Who are those people are they mentally ill?

[baron95]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I find it incredible that people exist that let him drive their brand new bmw s, porsche s, etc. Who are those people are they mentally ill?

I don't know, mate. But since Sabine is no longer available, if I wanted to drive my car on the Nring I'd probably ask this guy for some coaching, including letting him drive a hot lap.

I do that for my track students all the time, though I don't push their cars hard at all, just "demo".






P.S. I'd not ride with Joe Achilles, though. That guy is jinxed. First he money shifts his F87 and destroys the engine, then "causes" Misha to crash the GR86

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

I’m missing the point here…

[clydefrog]

Originally Posted by baron95

Well....what can I say....of course, right after I put a post saying I don't think Misha is too aggressive on the ring, he puts a GR86 on the wall with Joe Achilles as pax.

Oh well....

watching the video and his breakdown it does seem like there is a mechanical failure that caused him to go into the wall. I hope there is a follow up on the cause of the failure.

Does seem odd to have 2 faster laps right beforehand and then on the slower 3rd go into the wall.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by clydefrog

watching the video and his breakdown it does seem like there is a mechanical failure that caused him to go into the wall. I hope there is a follow up on the cause of the failure.

Does seem odd to have 2 faster laps right beforehand and then on the slower 3rd go into the wall.

Possible, but doubtful. Every track crash has a number of "explanations". But 99% of the time, you simply overcooked it.

The other laps don't count - he was off line, did not apex the corner, ran out of room, seen it so many times.

It happens - means nothing about his abilities - the guy is obviously talented. It is not the first, and won't be the last he puts cars on the wall at the ring.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by baron95

It happens - means nothing about his abilities - the guy is obviously talented. It is not the first, and won't be the last he puts cars on the wall at the ring.

That was my thought. Pros crash all the time, too. If a driver NEVER takes a car off the track, they probably aren't pushing hard enough and will get benched eventually.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by Squidget

That was my thought. Pros crash all the time, too. If a driver NEVER takes a car off the track, they probably aren't pushing hard enough and will get benched eventually.

Okay, but push your own car to the limit, not someone else's.

[KCuv]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

In the States You can find used Gt4s with low miles for about 120k.

in my experience looking- those cars are mainly 2019s (not current generation) & yellow & PDK.

bleh.

2021s in manual, normal color are 135k plus.


they're on average, the same price as ordering a new one, + 5k ...but 1.5yr wait.

this was pushing me to order one last June/July and within a week the M2 was shown in camo and I put a deposit down the nexts day because of the backseats & my want to take my kiddo places.

needless to say 14mo later I have NO car in my possession lol.

[matty_f]

Misha drives aggressive and fast, but didn’t over cook it. Folks outside said they heard a ping like something broke and the wheel stayed straight. It’s on his insta if you want to read more.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Squidget

That was my thought. Pros crash all the time, too. If a driver NEVER takes a car off the track, they probably aren't pushing hard enough and will get benched eventually.

Originally Posted by matty_f

Misha drives aggressive and fast, but didn’t over cook it. Folks outside said they heard a ping like something broke and the wheel stayed straight. It’s on his insta if you want to read more.

Most times, these cars are not ready for the track.
I watched Barrichello crashing a Lamborghini, and it was a brake failure (overdue brake fluid).

People are quick to judge and say “they drive other people’s cars too hard”.

If I’m the driver I’d be wary of people’s cars… a liability to the driver, because later the armchair quarterbacks will say the driver isn’t good enough.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Okay, but push your own car to the limit, not someone else's.

Why not push someone else's if they agree to it? It would be huge fun to have Misha drive my car at the Ring, not that I would ship it over there . . .