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07-23-2015, 05:41 AM | #45 | |
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07-23-2015, 02:10 PM | #46 | |
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Plus one. I initially wanted an m3 but couldn't afford it. If I were to "upgrade" now, the e92 M3 will never be on my list. No matter how much I like it and how much better it looks compared to other e92s, it's just not fast enough when you come from a tuned 335i. |
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07-24-2015, 08:43 AM | #49 |
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Interesting discussion here. As a former owner of a tuned 335i and a current owner of a naturally aspirated V8 car i can see both sides of the coin quite clearly.
The 335i is a gem of an engine in standard form, more so once tuned. Effortlessly powerful whilst retaining more than reasonable fuel economy and running costs for the performance on offer. For 99% of people its all the performance you will ever need. On the other hand my Italian V8 offers slightly more horsepower but less torque, so the overall performance is broadly similar in a straight line. It is hideously thirsty in comparison (think around 1/2 the mpg of the 335) and has the potential to hurt my pockets deeply should the wrong thing break! So on balance the 335i should be my favoured car then? Well some times i do miss her but overall its the V8 that has got under my skin and ticks all my boxes. It is still plenty fast enough, sounds much better and delivers its power in a more exciting way. Its all well and good being able to boast over being a car length or two quicker than some other car but which one puts the bigger smile on your face? Point to point i could drive the 335i just as quickly and probably put less effort in to do it too, but i never found myself turning around to have an admiring look at the 335i after a spirited drive. Could i live with driving my V8 on a daily basis and the costs that would go with it - no. If i was choosing a car for special occasions or occasional driving then the V8 takes it for me. For a daily driver no contest the 335i. |
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07-24-2015, 08:53 AM | #50 | |
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The answer is if your buying an m3 ur interested in good performance with looks! With the 335 you can get much better performance with the same looks after its modded whilst saving ALOT of cash! If your not interested in mods or fast cars don't buy either. It's simple
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07-24-2015, 05:22 PM | #51 |
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I agree that there's no point also, even though you can make a 335 as fast as the m3 you still don't get the lsd, gearbox, lightweight parts and all the other bells and whistles you get with it which make the car that hole lot better. A set of coilovers and a few other bits will still never bring it close to the driving experience of the m3. The m3 is a track car the 335 is a fast road car.
Trust me on this iv been there and done it and wish I just bought the correct machine for the job. |
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07-24-2015, 05:54 PM | #52 |
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You hit the nail on the head, M3 is the better track car, tell that to the M3 owner when he gets smoked on the road which lets face it, 99% of the time is where it is.
You want a track car, there are plenty of options.
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07-24-2015, 06:07 PM | #53 |
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Unless you have the balls to rip an m3 through the lanes rather than on a big straight motor way and that's when you think to your self fuk me this car is amazing with a massive smile on your face instead of a pair of messed boxer's because the 335 almost kills you around the bends. My 350z tt almost had me a few times down the lanes and was fukin scary where as my lotus which was slower was just so much fun because the driving experience is so much better and it wouldn't kill you lol, just made bends fun and you can loose almost anything around them when you got the machine built to do it lol.
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07-24-2015, 07:13 PM | #54 |
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Cant speak for others but, my 335 is pretty much setup for exactly that, to hard for a daily but i love it. I have a daily blast on my commute with a M3 that [unknown to me] turned out to belong to an old school friend. He hasnt beaten me to Milton Keynes yet.
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07-25-2015, 02:20 AM | #55 |
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The issue with "racing" (and i use the term loosely) on the road or down some country lanes, is that it stops mattering about the car, and basically becomes a matter of whos going to be the more reckless, or in pub-speak, who has the "bigger balls"
I've been "done" by people driving much slower cars down a backroad, simply because they've been prepared to take more risks than me. Similarly, i've sat on the bumper of a 997 GT3 down a lovely backroad thru the hills in a car with about 1/2 of the power of the Porsche, because that guy wasnt prepared to drive as quickly as i was. If your actually reaching the point, where the difference in handling between a tweaked 335i and an M3 is becoming apparent, on the road, then your driving way way beyond acceptable limits anyway. |
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07-25-2015, 11:12 AM | #57 | |
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07-25-2015, 11:47 AM | #58 |
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The 335i is one of the best value cars on the market. It's a great real world car that does everything well.
You can tune a 335i to be quicker than a M3, however when are you really even going to need it, or find out? The 335i doesn't handle as well as the M3, but it does appear we are purely talking straight line speed. The thing the 335i doesn't have is the kudos of the M3 badge, and let's not pretend that doesn't mean anything to many people. That's part of the reason so many people pin M badges on their car. Lots of people like to make their car look more than it is. People put twin exhausts on their 3 series to make them look like 335 models. Many people go much further and make their car look like M cars. They'll say it looks better, but they are trying to make their car look more than it is. I've never once seen a twin exhaust car without the badges removed when it's not a 335. I've never seen a replica M3 without the M3 badge either. The badge on the boot means as much as anything to many. Having the kudos of owning a M3 is often more important than the hypothetical races down B roads. I'm sure they are hypothetical as there's no real way you can be racing on B roads on the level people try to suggest. Just enjoy your car and be comfortable with it. |
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There are 1000s of non m3 e92s out there that would make your m3 look less than 'normal' |
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07-25-2015, 03:02 PM | #60 |
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Wont matter to you what the pig is wearing, you wont see it for dust, get over yourself and your "M3 " worship, it aint that special!
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07-25-2015, 03:23 PM | #61 |
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Ha ha precisely. Nothing like a thinly veiled ego stroking request.
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Because, at the end of the day....remove the lsd, the suspension, and the v8. It is still a 3 series .... |
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07-26-2015, 11:29 AM | #64 |
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Off topic, anyone know if the m3 chassis is different from a normal 3 series?
If the m3 fans could list all the parts that make the m3 different, that would be helpful ( Obviously, engine wise it's a v8). |
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07-31-2015, 02:51 PM | #65 |
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Agree with op. I'm in the market for a 335 having been put off by cost of M3 same years.
My hope is I'll find a mint low milage 335 and cherish that confident that money saved will help for rainy day. If anyone knows of someone who is prepared to sell really well looked after 335i please let me know... |
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07-31-2015, 03:25 PM | #66 |
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I takes months of owning an E90 M3 to truly understand what it's all about. Appreciate it's talents, and what makes it such a complete package. From the sound of the V8 on the cold start cycle to nailing it from 6K in second or third and punching through the rest of the DCT box in M mode.
Throwing it into bends that make even your "hardest" mates shit their pants when you know it could handle another 30 or 40 mph. I have no problem with what anyone chooses to buy and do with their cars subsequently, but some of the garbage spouted in this thread about the M3 can only be from folks that have never spent any quality time driving and living with one. I was left for dust in my M3 on a dual carriageway recently by a modified Golf with an exhaust the diameter of a wheelie bin and trailing a cloud of smoke and partially unburned fuel. I just pissed my pants laughing |
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