[G37KILR]

Originally Posted by ramorendez

SFValley didn't state that the JB3 caused his leaking turbos. There might have been a circumstantial implication (due to the timing), but he ultimately came to the conclusion that it was a random occurence. He says all of this in his review.

Thanks for the review. I've been considering a tune and reviews like this that compare tunes are always helpful.

The implication no matter how minimal was irrelevant to his "Review" so he should not have mention anything about his turbos leaking unless it was in another fourm he should have just stated which product was better than the other without brining into account his personal problems with the car.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by G37KILR

The implication no matter how minimal was irrelevant to his "Review" so he should not have mention anything about his turbos leaking unless it was in another fourm he should have just stated which product was better than the other without brining into account his personal problems with the car.

I mentioned the turbo leak/smoking because of MIKE@n54tuning, again this thread was about a REVIEW of the two tunes. You have not added 1 single bit of info that would benefit anyone on this thread.

All you have done is whine like a female.

[uhcoug2011]

SFValley335i, you stated that the JB3 1.2 drove very smooth and drove a lot better than stock. Can you explain how and in what ways the Procede seemed smoother to you?

[OpenFlash]

Some people are getting butt hurt. They are just tunes for Christ's sake! You're quality of life should not be influenced by your belief that you have (or don't have) the best possible tune for your n54. Get over it.

Shiv

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Some people are getting butt hurt. They are just tunes for Christ's sake! You're quality of life should not be influenced by your belief that you have (or don't have) the best possible tune for your n54. Get over it.

Shiv

+1000

Mike

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Sorry to hear of your failing turbo Z.
As others have said, regardless of which tune you had or have on, that wouldn't change the failing turbo.
More than likely it's been smoking more than you know or have noticed anyhow.

OT here, but since you brought it up curious as to what car you plan to get now that you are getting rid of the 335i?

Thanks, I was planning a turbo upgrade but once I got the word that upgrading the oem turbo's was stupid. I didn't feel like spending $2k to swap in a set of TD04 off a wrx and redoing all the pipings etc.

Yes I understand running a JB3 or V3 or Dinan wouldnt keep the turbo from eventually failing. I'm sure running the car on lower boost might keep the turbo a live a little longer than running it with a tune.

Ever since I discovered the smoking at Terry's house. I've always checked my car before turning it off. I've seen it smoke only 3 times so far and have been quoted earlier in this thread...

I plan on driving my I35 and saving up for bigger more important things in life.

[tomtom]

what I find ridiculous is that the car stop smoking miraculously after he took out the JB3 and never happened again with the V3.

this makes no sense whatsoever....and confirms the OP lacks credibility.
turbo failure is likely due to overboosting...(over 15-16psi like the V2 did).
the last I check both JB3 and V3 run max boost of 15psi.

what is your theory of the mysterious smoke coming out of your ass...I mean exhaust.

[Septro]

This review is slightly wonky. Some bits of fair info, some bits of accusatory response and then a whole bunch of folks either hi-fiving or bitchslappin the OP.

Seems like another solid e90post tuning thread.

Props to the OP for buying both tunes and testing them out. Not so hot that it seemed you had some serious engine/turbo issues that makes the review sorta non-relevant.

[E82tt6]

Interesting, thanks for the review. Still haven't driven a 3.2 procede car, so I apprecite the info.

Your limps make me wonder if there's some truth to Terrys asertions that there are safety advantages to his method of boost control, given the JB3 threw a limp with an obviously failing turbo but the procede did not.

Sorry about your turbo issue, and good luck!

PS: What are you selling the Rev II for? ;-D

[exidisjon]

Good review...
Im a JB3 user and i never thru a limp whatsoever with tune or not. I think limping has something to do with the car not functioning correctly other than what tune the car has. Just what i think from most threads like "LIMP MODE HELP"..Most of them either had installation problems or other problems like fuel pump and etc.. But what do i know bout cars.. LOL

These reviews are just reviews and most of them are different people's opinons like someone preferring Vodka over Rum..Both fucks you up but they have different taste. Whatever you;'re happy with is the best tune imo.

Thanks for the review.. Learn new things from everyone of these threads.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by tomtom

what I find ridiculous is that the car stop smoking miraculously after he took out the JB3 and never happened again with the V3.

this makes no sense whatsoever....and confirms the OP lacks credibility.
turbo failure is likely due to overboosting...(over 15-16psi like the V2 did).
the last I check both JB3 and V3 run max boost of 15psi.

what is your theory of the mysterious smoke coming out of your ass...I mean exhaust.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by uhcoug2011

SFValley335i, you stated that the JB3 1.2 drove very smooth and drove a lot better than stock. Can you explain how and in what ways the Procede seemed smoother to you?

I spent a good amount of time typing up my first post in this thread, I think I covered what I believed about each tune really well.

The main difference between the two is how they drive. From 500 to 3500rpm the V3 tach moves more freely than the JB3 1.2. The power delivery of the V3 3.2 is smoother than the Jb3. Smoother delivery means easier to drive at slower speeds like in traffic etc.

Again easiest way for everyone to see the difference is to TRY both.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by E82tt6

PS: What are you selling the Rev II for? ;-D

PM me or check the for sale section

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

I spent a good amount of time typing up my first post in this thread, I think I covered what I believed about each tune really well.

The main difference between the two is how they drive. From 500 to 3500rpm the V3 tach moves more freely than the JB3 1.2. The power delivery of the V3 3.2 is smoother than the Jb3. Smoother delivery means easier to drive at slower speeds like in traffic etc.

Again easiest way for everyone to see the difference is to TRY both.

so your saying on a daily basis you woud rather live the V3 than the JB3, even though they both make great power?

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by exidisjon

Good review...
Im a JB3 user and i never thru a limp whatsoever with tune or not. I think limping has something to do with the car not functioning correctly other than what tune the car has. Just what i think from most threads like "LIMP MODE HELP"..Most of them either had installation problems or other problems like fuel pump and etc.. But what do i know bout cars.. LOL

These reviews are just reviews and most of them are different people's opinons like someone preferring Vodka over Rum..Both fucks you up but they have different taste. Whatever you;'re happy with is the best tune imo.

Thanks for the review.. Learn new things from everyone of these threads.

Yes, when I had the JB3 1.1 I never threw a limp... Once I sold it, the new owner was bugging me about selling him a defective JB3 cause he was getting limps.

Once I got the JB3 1.2 is when my limps began. Exactly, my post is just to explain the differences I felt and what I experienced with each tune.

If anything I hope I've gotten others to give both JB3 and V3 a test of their own and then post up what they liked or didnt like about the two.

But just talking shit about one tune because its the only one you have is just stupid and its pretty much what the majority of this forum consists of.

Thanks for your reply.

[Mr. 5]

It sounds to me that your car has some serious problems, and I would bet that tune or no tune, your turbos need help.

To those who are curious about if one tune was the culprit for this?
How about 3?

IMO, AA Xede, Procede, and JB3...Driven hard...are the reason for the leaking turbos.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Some people are getting butt hurt. They are just tunes for Christ's sake! You're quality of life should not be influenced by your belief that you have (or don't have) the best possible tune for your n54. Get over it.

Shiv

+1. Now, if Scalbert or anyone else in fact finally figures out that Terry has actually been lying to everyone, including his own customers and distributors about how his JB3 works (e.g. if it really controls the car's timing; other than letting the DME do it for the JB3), then people have the right to get "butt hurt." Other than that, I think people need to chill.

[luca335i]

Not for anything man but I woulda taken the car to the dealer if my car was smoking, not change tunes. I know yer not saying jb3 caued it but if yer car is fucked it has nothing to do with yer tune. Why would u need a tune to fix a wastegate rattle? I take that shit to the dealer man.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Sniz

so your saying on a daily basis you woud rather live the V3 than the JB3, even though they both make great power?

Both tunes are the same when it comes to POWER above 4000 or 4500 rpm. One might drop off a little quicker than the other but I dont think it makes a huge difference.

The MAIN difference is from 500 to 3500rpm. That is where I felt the difference, the way the power is delivered is the difference.

JB3 1.2 gives you the holy shit feeling from the moment you touch the pedal a little bit, I think its because it begins to boost right away, more boost at lower rpm's than stock? You actually have to 'try' to drive it slow or normally. Its harder to control the RPM's below 3500rpm.


Procede V3 3.2, Rev's easily, much easier to target an rpm... Its easier to keep power low and under control while driving slow (in traffic or in town). Full power comes when you press the pedal down, otherwise you'll get the exact amount of power as you press down on the pedal.

The way I've described the differences above will for sure spike more BS, yes I know the JB3 uses something to determine how much the pedal is pressed etc. What I've said above is exactly what came to mind when thinking of each tune.

Sniz, overall yes I would choose V3 over the Jb3 because of the way the car felt and drove with the V3 compared to the JB3. I felt as if the V3 was civialized when I wanted it to be and would go buck wild when I got on the pedal. The JB3 gave the woah feeling and I didnt feel as it there was anyway of driving it in a casual manner. The little perks like being able to update maps without removing parts to access the ECU and physically changing a chip also played a small part in my decision.


And for those that THINK Terry's customer service is A+, and he returns calls and emails within minutes all the time is hog wash. I will give you guys two examples of when Terry's customer service as failed, but I'm sure theres a reason behind it, he is a family man!

In Nov/Dec, someone from the forum needed help removing their JB3 because it was getting limps, He called Terry several times and sent Text messages. Terry did not answer until 2 or 3 hours later.

This past weekend at a dyno day, one of the JB3 owners called Terry, but terry did not answer. I also called and sent a text message to Terry to get an answer for this Jb3 owner. It took more than 1.5 hours for Terry to reply.

I dont expect Terry and Shiv to drop what their doing and reply to texts or emails within 5 mins or their service is bad. But its funny reading people saying Terry's service is super quick and never takes more than 5 minutes to reply or return phone calls etc.

As Its been mentioned my car is being parted out and sold, but I will still be lurking around just to see what these cars become over the next 10 months.

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

It sounds to me that your car has some serious problems, and I would bet that tune or no tune, your turbos need help.

To those who are curious about if one tune was the culprit for this?
How about 3?

IMO, AA Xede, Procede, and JB3...Driven hard...are the reason for the leaking turbos.

Good point....that might very well be the case.

In any sense, I can't really understand the onslought of bitching by the JB guys. I thought it was a pretty good review, and a honest one at that. He seems to be getting his credibility questioned, simply because he's one of the few procede guys that has the balls to post on Terry's site. And we all know if your not praising the JB.....while at the same time ripping on shiv, you're automatically considered an outcast.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by luca335i

Not for anything man but I woulda taken the car to the dealer if my car was smoking, not change tunes. I know yer not saying jb3 caued it but if yer car is fucked it has nothing to do with yer tune. Why would u need a tune to fix a wastegate rattle? I take that shit to the dealer man.

I didnt change tunes thinking the smoking would stop, it just happened I got the PROcede Rev2 after I noticed the car begin to smoke with the JB3. After a week or two it began to smoke with the PROcede and even while it was stock.

Why would I need a tune to fix a wastegate rattle?

1) Avoided paying $$ to remove mods and paying more to put it back on, after it was repaired by the dealer.

2) It was said the rattle was caused by a nut getting loose (Per Mr.5 DIY)... So if the problem could be resolved by adjusting a nut, I thought it would be safe to use a TUNE to fix the problem as well. Plus there was no real problem with driving with the rattle but its just an annoyance.

I ended up taking the car to the dealer, once the oil began annoying me along with the WG rattle that still persisted with the V3 (mostly fixed but not 100%). So it was worth it to me to pay $ to remove/install my mods after taking the car to the dealer for repairs.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

It sounds to me that your car has some serious problems, and I would bet that tune or no tune, your turbos need help.

To those who are curious about if one tune was the culprit for this?
How about 3?

IMO, AA Xede, Procede, and JB3...Driven hard...are the reason for the leaking turbos.

What you said sounds right, cant really pinpoint what tune if any caused the turbo to fail. But for the record, this car of mine has never ran the AA Xede, it was a previous 335i of mine that had.