PROCede v2.0.2 Dyno - Set @ 98%

Sniz · 01-13-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NPDAN

I dont ever recall Shiv stating it's ok to run 100% tq on pump gas. He may have said somewhere that it's safe on 100+ octane

I think Revah's repeated comments are getting old. Seems to just be a trouble starter here, not good for much else.

Sniz · 01-13-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

I am not saying running 100%, I am stating that i have heard 96% or above is not good on 93 octane, but if the determinate factor is the boost, if OP are not seeing the 15psi at 5500, why would it be harmful to the engine especially when the OP running 96 or higher is at high altitudes...Torque will be bad either way for the tranny but not the motor i think...The motor or turbos would be in danger if it exceeds the recommended 15psi...

that is what I would like confirmation on........hopefully from Shiv.

However, my gut tells me those of us that are not seeing the right amount of boost may have other problems and by turning up the tq settings we're putting undue amounts of stress on the turbo's as they are pushing harder than normal to try and hit their boost targets.

I hope I'm wrong in my case.

ThomasMartin · 01-13-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

I am not saying running 100%, I am stating that i have heard 96% or above is not good on 93 octane, but if the determinate factor is the boost, if OP are not seeing the 15psi at 5500, why would it be harmful to the engine especially when the OP running 96 or higher is at high altitudes...Torque will be bad either way for the tranny but not the motor i think...The motor or turbos would be in danger if it exceeds the recommended 15psi...

For people at altitude i dont think the boost becomes the problem. Upping the torque values without the correct fuel will cause knocking and maybe engine damage. The damage will be caused by knocking not by boosting over 15 PSI. So if you want to up the torque values you have to have higher octane petrol to prevent knocking. at 94% there will be no knocking on pump fuel so its safe. I upped my settings to 100% and the engine started knocking on pump fuel thank goodness the engine has a brilliant knock sensor and prevents damage but i wouldnt try it again and take the chance.

marcvtec · 01-13-2008, 02:53 PM

Here is my Dyno Ado
This was at 98% same dyno,
I will tune it down to 95 or 94 If shiv thinks its the right thing to do no problem

I would also print out the dataloggs put that program is not seeing my printer for some reason

OpenFlash · 01-13-2008, 03:16 PM

PLEASE don't run 98% on pump gas!

marcvtec-- You have a PM

Malek@MRF · 01-13-2008, 03:41 PM

Shiv--

I know you have decent experience on the 335i motors.

Coming from an extensive tuning background, I have noticed that the more free-flowing exhaust will drastically improve the "knock induced activity" you mentioned.

Through extensive datalogging with Haltech, TEC3's, AEM's and various piggybacks, a choked up exhaust essentially will raise EGT, it will make it harder for the turbo's to operate effeciently and in turn reduce the life of various components due to heat. When the exhaust is effectively moving air, it ultimately will improve the volumetric efficiency of the entire system (from the intake box right out to the tail-pipe). When the exhaust can move the air rapidly with less restriction, heat saturation is minimized and less knock.

I know many of you are wondering who I am and why I am here...

LambOfGod · 01-13-2008, 03:49 PM

not me...looks like you love cars and want to participate. Welcome! Perhaps you can help us understand Shivs FM.

Sniz · 01-13-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LambOfGod

Perhaps you can help us understand Shivs FM.

what does this mean? FM?

jcarlucci1 · 01-13-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Maybe if one is at 8000' above sea level. And even that would be a special case. Other than that, the recommended stop point is 94% on pump gas. Even on 94oct, I'd stay below 95%. And if you are running the stock intake box, there is certainly no reason to run it higher because you will reach a choke point at ~350whp. Regardless of exhaust mods or boost level.

Shiv

If this is true then how did Terry and the Helix guys get close to 380 with stock intake and boost at only 14psi?

OpenFlash · 01-13-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

If this is true then how did Terry and the Helix guys get close to 380 with stock intake and boost at only 14psi?

I can't speak for them

I can only base my comments on things that I've seen/done personally.

Shiv

marcvtec · 01-13-2008, 05:59 PM

shiv check your email please

OpenFlash · 01-13-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by marcvtec

shiv check your email please

I did... nothing showed up yet.

marcvtec · 01-13-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I did... nothing showed up yet.

trying again lol

marcvtec · 01-13-2008, 06:40 PM

got it ?
lol

335i black/red · 01-13-2008, 07:21 PM

Shiv,
Is it normal when the V2 software is not connected to the procede for the torque settings to be at 100%?

j|rz44 · 01-13-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

If this is true then how did Terry and the Helix guys get close to 380 with stock intake and boost at only 14psi?

Terry pulled his intake for that run....

CanadianTSi · 01-13-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ado

I'll be changing the settings to 95% until I can buy some race gas and store it at the office and at home that way i can fix it every time i fill up.... That's gonna suck...

A 4% difference in settings on Pump Gas is not going to be worth that much hp/trq, hardly enough to justify driving around on Race Gas all the time...

Ado · 01-13-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianTSi

A 4% difference in settings on Pump Gas is not going to be worth that much hp/trq, hardly enough to justify driving around on Race Gas all the time...

We did a dyno with me being on 95% and the numbers are about 20 less for both HP and TQ I will have to double check my results but guy only printed out one of the runs which was the best one on 98%.

I am starting to feel that way as well though. It's going to be a pain in the ass putting in the extra gas all the time. Will be going back to 95% and leaving it there.

Malek@MRF · 01-14-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LambOfGod

not me...looks like you love cars and want to participate. Welcome! Perhaps you can help us understand Shivs FM.

I will be participating a whole lot more once i get either my 135 or 335 soon.

What is Shiv's FM by the way?

Driver72 · 01-14-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

If this is true then how did Terry and the Helix guys get close to 380 with stock intake and boost at only 14psi?

Catless DP's and though it's still in the stock airbox and won't do much (but does give a bit more airflow and therefore helps some) a K&N drop in was also in place.
And if I remember correctly, since he did that dyno with me there, he was on the JB2R which peaks at 15 psi and was on 97+ Octane.

Lane · 01-14-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

And if you are running the stock intake box, there is certainly no reason to run it higher because you will reach a choke point at ~350whp. Regardless of exhaust mods or boost level.

Shiv

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

If this is true then how did Terry and the Helix guys get close to 380 with stock intake and boost at only 14psi?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I can't speak for them

I can only base my comments on things that I've seen/done personally.

Shiv

From the legendary Procede V2 introductory post you dynoed (with catback):

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

with PROcede v2.0beta 376whp 406lbft.
Shiv

?? Something with the dyno or something with your intake?

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