[Mrchntmarine]

Originally Posted by Hoooper

Those are not clean. You need to send them the sib in the this thread, (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=983574) if they don't clean it per the sib it's most likely not done. All the ports in the head should be clean and look like a brand new casting

So when the advisor told me that everything, it, the engine or whatever he said, was clean, he apparently was referring to only the manifold even though he sent all the pics at once and said its clean. It gets confusing as I have had to deal with 2 advisors and a service manager and a bmw rep. in nj on this and I get unreturned phones calls and emails and it's a little confusing to keep it all straight. All these guys just seem rushed and its just as confusing to me when I'm not sure what I'm looking at then don't get the answers from them. Thanks to everyone on the board here for helping out. The above sib is being followed according to the advisor and he says he will give me pics when everything is done and clean.

[BB_cuda]

Pic 3 looks like some of the ports have been cleaned. Pic 1 definitely still has CBU in some places. 3rd from bottom round intake runner is well loaded.

[Mrchntmarine]

So now, it's all supposed to be cleaned....

[rulonger]

Maybe it is just the picture, but the round ports on the intake still look dirty. The other two pictures look better.

[BB_cuda]

Originally Posted by rulonger

Maybe it is just the picture, but the round ports on the intake still look dirty. The other two pictures look better.

+1

[Mrchntmarine]

Well, I couldn't believe it - got the call yesterday that the car was ready to be picked up. Earlier in the day they had just shot us some pics of the cleaned parts so I was surprised that it was put back together and ready to go. My service writer was gone when I arrived so i decided to check out some cars - a nice 2014 750Li, loaded, about 14miles for 83K and a M6, new, loaded for 120K. Get in the car(walking to the front of the car and to the driver's side) and drive off. The car still idles rough and a little jerky taking off. I get home, walk inside to get the wife for dinner and let her drive to see if she can notice the rough idling, etc. - the a/c is now making a noise when turning off and the car smells like an oil spill(hopefully that will burn off?). Then, when I was walking around the back of the car to get in, I was unpleasantly surprised with the below bumper damage. So now, I call the dealer and everyone is gone for the day. I snapped a few pics and emailed them to my service writer who emailed me back early this am. admitting that the car was not like that when I dropped it off. I was back at the dealer early this am and left the car to sort out the damage and the rough idling.

The service writer did show me this morning the vehicle inspection notation that was done after we dropped the car off for repairs and there is an "x" mark on the rear bumper. As it was late in the afternoon, around quitting time, I do not remember them even looking at the car when it was dropped off - we were not even expected until the next am. I just remember signing the paperwork to authorize the repairs. In looking at the damage this am with the writer, I asked him what the "x" was for on the report as neither he nor I could see any, I mean any marks even close as to where the report indicated. He admitted that he didn't know as there were no marks even close to where he noted on the report.

I have to say, he was apologetic and provided a loaner and promised to repair the damage and check out the other issues. Even though it's been a pain, BMW NA has been helpful as well as the dealer even though the service manager did not reply to any of my emails - he had the writer do it. BMWNA or the dealer - not sure who - picked up the cost of the walnut blasting - I noticed a 1200.00 total on their paperwork.

Just a reminder - and I usually try to do this, but forgot this time - MAKE SURE TO DO A WALK AROUND WITH THE WRITER WHILE DROPPING OFF AND BE SURE TO CHECK CAR BEFORE LEAVING THE DEALER......

[Mrchntmarine]

Out of curiosity, when the computer throws codes are they stored anywhere that is accessible after being cleared by the dealer? Also, just heard back from there dealer and now I need to have an injector replaced - no. 2 cylinder

[Hoooper]

Sounds like they haven't done the injector reprogramming. Don't let them just start replacing parts on your dime unless or until they have performed the programming correctly. If its not going to cost you anything I guess let them go for it, you might get 6 free new injectors

[Mrchntmarine]

Originally Posted by Hoooper

Sounds like they haven't done the injector reprogramming. Don't let them just start replacing parts on your dime unless or until they have performed the programming correctly. If its not going to cost you anything I guess let them go for it, you might get 6 free new injectors

I asked the writer if they had to reprogram anything and he said no as no parts were replaced on the cleaning. But it's the same code as before it was cleaned, 4593. What needs to be reprogrammed? The DDE?

[ingenieur]

Originally Posted by Mrchntmarine

I asked the writer if they had to reprogram anything and he said no as no parts were replaced on the cleaning. But it's the same code as before it was cleaned, 4593. What needs to be reprogrammed? The DDE?

Yes - and clear the crankshaft incremental wheel adaptations so the zero-mass injection adaptation will then calculate correctly. The CBU bulletin was updated and a bulletin on zero-mass adaptation faults published - revision 12/2014 with this information. Talk to the shop foreman as I doubt most SA read or yet understand the service bulletins.

Search the other threads:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...light=kbsilver

[Mrchntmarine]

Originally Posted by ingenieur

Yes - and clear the crankshaft incremental wheel adaptations so the zero-mass injection adaptation will then calculate correctly. The CBU bulletin was updated and a bulletin on zero-mass adaptation faults published - revision 12/2014 with this information. Talk to the shop foreman as I doubt most SA read or yet understand the service bulletins.

Search the other threads:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...light=kbsilver

So, is this what you're talking about?


SI B13-04-14
I posted this up on another site's diesel forum but figured I'd post it up here as well.

SUBJECT
M57Y Diesel Fuel Injector: Zero Mass Adaption Faults
MODEL
E90 (3 Series Sedan 335d)
With M57Y engine

I've searched edmunds and automd.com and can't find any SIB's more recent than the june 2014 connection issue. Hell automd say no sib's at all. by chance do you have the no. and where I can look it up?

[Smonkey09]

Originally Posted by Mrchntmarine

So, is this what you're talking about?


SI B13-04-14
I posted this up on another site's diesel forum but figured I'd post it up here as well.

SUBJECT
M57Y Diesel Fuel Injector: Zero Mass Adaption Faults
MODEL
E90 (3 Series Sedan 335d)
With M57Y engine

I've searched edmunds and automd.com and can't find any SIB's more recent than the june 2014 connection issue. Hell automd say no sib's at all. by chance do you have the no. and where I can look it up?

Just tell your service adviser to look up the SIB and read it. That's what I did when I dropped of my car at the dealer with continued injector-related faults after carbon cleaning. Tell them "SI B13-04-14"

[Mrchntmarine]

Yeah. Got it. Here's the reply from the service writer. He said they did this when the car went back after the cleaning before replacing the injector....



Yes sir, this is what we did prior to coming to the conclusion of the veh needing an injector
Thanks Richie
-----Original Message-----
From: mrchntmarine
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 08:31 AM
To: peakebmw.com
Subject: Fwd: 335D

See the note below about the dec. 2014 sib.


Found this also........

Possible Fault Codes stored:

4AD5 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1
4AD6 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1
4AE5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2
4AE6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2
4AF5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3
4AF6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3
4B05 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4
4B06 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4
4B15 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5
4B16 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5
4B25 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6
4B26 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6
These faults are stored after an intake carbon cleaning (B11 03 14) or an extensive engine repair.

When following the recommended test plan, ISTA incorrectly instructs the technician to replace all six fuel injectors.

However, the same fuel injector zero-mass faults can return shortly after replacing the fuel injectors.

CAUSE
The DDE fuel injector zero-mass adaption is not being calibrated correctly.
PROCEDURE
Do not replace any fuel injectors.
The test plan will be corrected with ISTA 3.46.

Submit a PuMA Case titled “M57Y Zero-mass Adaptation.”

Set the vehicle up for an IRAP session.
The IRAP team will flash the DDE with a temporary dataset and reset the zero-mass (NMK) values.
When instructed by the IRAP team: Turn KL-15 off / engine is started briefly / engine is turned off / switch to KL-0 and let the vehicle go to sleep
The vehicle must then be programmed with the latest version of ISTA/P to install the latest working DDE software.






Begin forwarded message:

From: mrchntmarine
Subject: 335D
Date: April 6, 2015 at 10:29:41 PM CDT
Toeakebmw.com

Richie - is this applicable to my car----

"Yes - and clear the crankshaft incremental wheel adaptations so the zero-mass injection adaptation will then calculate correctly. The CBU bulletin was updated and a bulletin on zero-mass adaptation faults published - revision 12/2014 with this information. Talk to the shop foreman.... " Along with reprogramming the DDE

Does this need to be done?

Tks

[Smonkey09]

Gotcha. Well, they ended up replacing two of my injectors after reflashing the DDE per the SIB (BMW NA stepped in and picked up 90% of the cost).

[ingenieur]

Originally Posted by Mrchntmarine

Yeah. Got it. Here's the reply from the service writer. He said they did this when the car went back after the cleaning before replacing the injector....



Yes sir, this is what we did prior to coming to the conclusion of the veh needing an injector
Thanks Richie
-----Original Message-----
From: mrchntmarine
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 08:31 AM
To: peakebmw.com
Subject: Fwd: 335D

See the note below about the dec. 2014 sib.


Found this also........

Possible Fault Codes stored:

4AD5 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1
4AD6 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1
4AE5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2
4AE6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2
4AF5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3
4AF6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3
4B05 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4
4B06 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4
4B15 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5
4B16 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5
4B25 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6
4B26 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6
These faults are stored after an intake carbon cleaning (B11 03 14) or an extensive engine repair.

When following the recommended test plan, ISTA incorrectly instructs the technician to replace all six fuel injectors.

However, the same fuel injector zero-mass faults can return shortly after replacing the fuel injectors.

CAUSE
The DDE fuel injector zero-mass adaption is not being calibrated correctly.
PROCEDURE
Do not replace any fuel injectors.
The test plan will be corrected with ISTA 3.46.

Submit a PuMA Case titled “M57Y Zero-mass Adaptation.”

Set the vehicle up for an IRAP session.
The IRAP team will flash the DDE with a temporary dataset and reset the zero-mass (NMK) values.
When instructed by the IRAP team: Turn KL-15 off / engine is started briefly / engine is turned off / switch to KL-0 and let the vehicle go to sleep
The vehicle must then be programmed with the latest version of ISTA/P to install the latest working DDE software.






Begin forwarded message:

From: mrchntmarine
Subject: 335D
Date: April 6, 2015 at 10:29:41 PM CDT
Toeakebmw.com

Richie - is this applicable to my car----

"Yes - and clear the crankshaft incremental wheel adaptations so the zero-mass injection adaptation will then calculate correctly. The CBU bulletin was updated and a bulletin on zero-mass adaptation faults published - revision 12/2014 with this information. Talk to the shop foreman.... " Along with reprogramming the DDE

Does this need to be done?

Tks

Well as I said before the SA is a bit out of date so ask the shop foreman....

SI B revision from 1/2015

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B13 04 14 dated October 2014.

SUBJECT
M57Y Diesel Fuel Injector: Zero Mass Adaption Faults

MODEL
E90 (3 Series Sedan 335d)

With M57Y engine

Situation
The Service Engine Soon light is on.

Possible Fault Codes stored:

4AD5 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1

4AD6 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1

4AE5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2

4AE6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2

4AF5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3

4AF6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3

4B05 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4

4B06 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4

4B15 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5

4B16 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5

4B25 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6

4B26 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6


These faults are stored after an intake carbon cleaning (B11 03 14) or an extensive engine repair.

When following the recommended test plan, ISTA incorrectly instructs the technician to replace all six fuel injectors.

However, the same fuel injector zero-mass faults can return shortly after replacing the fuel injectors.

cause
The DDE fuel injector zero-mass adaption is not being calibrated correctly.

procedure
Do not replace any fuel injectors.


Reprogram the vehicle with ISTA/P 3.54.3 or higher.
NOTE: The DDE must be added manually to the Measures Plan.
Target integration (new): E89X-14-11-501

The DDE adaptation for the crankshaft increment wheel must be cleared using ISTA Next 3.47.10 or higher after programming.

Follow the path Service Functions/01 Drive/Digital Diesel Electronics (US version)/adaptations/Increment wheel.

[Mrchntmarine]

Originally Posted by ingenieur

Well as I said before the SA is a bit out of date so ask the shop foreman....

SI B revision from 1/2015

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B13 04 14 dated October 2014.

SUBJECT
M57Y Diesel Fuel Injector: Zero Mass Adaption Faults

MODEL
E90 (3 Series Sedan 335d)

With M57Y engine

Situation
The Service Engine Soon light is on.

Possible Fault Codes stored:

4AD5 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1

4AD6 – Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 1

4AE5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2

4AE6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 2

4AF5 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3

4AF6 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 3

4B05 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4

4B06 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 4

4B15 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5

4B16 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 5

4B25 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6

4B26 - Zero-mass adaption injector Cylinder 6


These faults are stored after an intake carbon cleaning (B11 03 14) or an extensive engine repair.

When following the recommended test plan, ISTA incorrectly instructs the technician to replace all six fuel injectors.

However, the same fuel injector zero-mass faults can return shortly after replacing the fuel injectors.

cause
The DDE fuel injector zero-mass adaption is not being calibrated correctly.

procedure
Do not replace any fuel injectors.


Reprogram the vehicle with ISTA/P 3.54.3 or higher.
NOTE: The DDE must be added manually to the Measures Plan.
Target integration (new): E89X-14-11-501

The DDE adaptation for the crankshaft increment wheel must be cleared using ISTA Next 3.47.10 or higher after programming.

Follow the path Service Functions/01 Drive/Digital Diesel Electronics (US version)/adaptations/Increment wheel.

okay, I hope this does it. Attached are the error codes supposedly from when I brought the car back in after picking it up from the walnut cleaning - I say supposedly because the date on the print out is 04022015 when it actually dropped back off on 04032015. Additionally, the SES light had not gone back off. Finally, 2 of the codes listed - 004593 and 004AE6 are the same one's that caused the SES to go off before the 1st visit before the cleaning. Anyhow, here's what they did - I hope this is what you were talking about..... No cost to me on any of it - whew....

[AzureHaze]

I got a zero-mass adaption injector cylinder #6 code two days ago after 52k miles and the dealership told me yesterday that my extended warranty is covering the CBU cleaning as the intake was supposedly caked with CBU.

I actually wasn't happy to hear that because I just sent $800 less than two months ago for Offset Motorwerks to do a CBU cleaning. They even provided me with before and after pics. This is going to get interesting...

[temporaptor]

That's crazy! Interested to see how this turns out.

[Kengineer]

Hey guys, what has your BMW dealer charged you to perform this (SI B13-04-14) on your vehicle? The local dealerships in Seattle are infamous for charging more than just about anywhere esle.

I've been searching and Googling to no luck.

[charlie fairmont]

Here in Jacksonville FL, they want $2500. Apparently there was an updated sib that called for the removal of the VC, which they claim added 4 hours to the job.

[at100plus]

Anyone ever find an actual fix for this?

I just bought a 2010 335d with 52k miles. Day 2 of ownership SES.

My shop ran diags:
4592 #4 smooth running controller
4593 #2 smooth running controller
4AE6 DDE Zero Quantity adaptation cyl 2 injector

They aren't a BMW specialist and he doesn't seem sure but says it's # 2 injector but he'd recommend change all 6.

I started pulling it apart considering swapping an injector myself, but with the likelihood of needing CBU and coding injector, I'm feeling I may be in over my head.

[Owen81]

Take your intake manifold off, its very easy and you will be able to see how bad your CBU is. Judging by your low miles, indicating short trips, I would guess its quite bad and should be dealt with before replacing injectors