[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by MarkNg335i

This guy is freaking square as a box.
Have you ever heard of double sarcasms?
Of course i knew that smart ass

Naw, Never (guess thats triple sarcasm)

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by arefog

I just drove a new M3 yesterday. I've owned an E36 M3 and a couple of E46 M3s (both stick and SMG) and I gotta tell ya - the overall package is VERY impressive. Great suspension, marvelous steering, light clutch, good looks.....BUT.......under 6,000 rpm forget it - my 335 is significantly faster and more responsive. Please note I live in Colorado at 5,300' which puts the normally aspirated M3 at a disadvantage, but even so it was a bit of a letdown. I didn't get into the fat part of the powerband because it had so few miles on it, and I don't dispute for a minute that in a balls-to-the-wall drag race it will be most impressive, but still................the old adage that people buy horsepower but drive torque really hits home in a M3/335 comparison. For me, thrashing a lighter 2 seater can be a blast, but in a 3,700 pound four seater I prefer the broad, responsive torque of a 335, or perhaps a C63. Just an observation, not a right/wrong. I can tell you that the sales guys at the dealership are wondering how much demand there will be for the M3 when customers drive one back to back with a 335 - again, at 5,300'. Bottom line: I want an M3 with a tweaked 335 motor!

Dick Fogg

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by MarkNg335i

This guy is freaking square as a box.
Have you ever heard of double sarcasms?
Of course i knew that smart ass

I'm suppossed to figure that out from this comment?........

Originally Posted by MarkNg335i

Don't be sarcastic b/c he meant it dude.

Do you mind telling me how I (or anybody else) am supposed to figure out that you were being "double sarcastic?" Usually if someone is trying to be funny, they are a little better at it. you need work.

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

Originally Posted by LACA335i

good choice

get bank repos home.

that's what I'm getting. with marble counter-tops =)

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by MarkNg335i

Ok man whatever...you need to get out and socialize more.
Reading too many books there.

Now that was sarcasm I could understand!

It's all good dude. The original comment we are talking about was so far out there I should have known you were kidding anyways.

[baron]

From a handling perspectively, what enhancements does the M3 have that the 335 does not have? For instance:

1) EDC (optional on M3)
2) Limited differential
3) Different sway bars?
4) Different shocks/springs?
5) Brakes?
6) Carbon roof on E92 to reduce center of gravity
7) Mdrive: customizable settings
8) Lighter wheels?

What else?
Is there anything in the chasis that is different?

Thanks.

[TheAcAvenger]

Originally Posted by baron

From a handling perspectively, what enhancements does the M3 have that the 335 does not have? For instance:

1) EDC (optional on M3)
2) Limited differential
3) Different sway bars?
4) Different shocks/springs?
5) Brakes?
6) Carbon roof on E92 to reduce center of gravity
7) Mdrive: customizable settings
8) Lighter wheels?

What else?
Is there anything in the chasis that is different?

Thanks.

That about nails it... which is why a lot of people don't believe the hype. You hear people all the time say "You can put $20k into a civic and it may be faster but its not an M3" But, that's not the same at all. Because these two cars are on the exact same chassis. E92 M3 meet E92 335. Note the term E92. It's a chassis code. There's no E92.5 or E94 for heavens sakes.

[sajakh]

Originally Posted by baron

From a handling perspectively, what enhancements does the M3 have that the 335 does not have? For instance:

1) EDC (optional on M3)
2) Limited differential
3) Different sway bars?
4) Different shocks/springs?
5) Brakes?
6) Carbon roof on E92 to reduce center of gravity
7) Mdrive: customizable settings
8) Lighter wheels?

What else?
Is there anything in the chasis that is different?

Thanks.

I feel that the M3's better suspension and brakes ONLY translate to better performance when you are driving it at least 8/10th of its potential which can't be done on the road safely ONLY the track. It seems to me that the 335i can match the M3 on the road but NOT on the track. So my next question is


How many M3 drivers actually take their cars to the track to fully realize the performance advantage over a 335i (especially a modded one)?

Another thing. If an M3's performance advantage can only be realized on the track compared to a modded 335i AND track driving nullifies your warranty, what is the advantage of the M3 over a modded 335i in terms of warranty coverage?

[Artz 330]

I had the chance to take out an E92 M3 today. Very nice car, but all those buttons it has and I turned everything up and the car barely felt different. I did not like the sloppy gear shifter and clutch that both seemed rather weak. Felt like drive my old e90 330i stick with more power. This car is missing a soul compared to that of the E46 M3 and my current Z4M. The raw feeling no longer exists.

Well to the fun part.

My 335i has the Helix Attache.

1st Run 2nd gear from 40-100 (I was driving the M) The 335 pulled about 1 1/2 cars

2nd run same thing and 3rd run was also the same.

If we had a chance to get up to 140ish the 335 would def have the M3 by at least 4 car lengths.

The 335i pulls almost identical on my Z4M to that of the new M3 and I ran a best of 12.6@113MPH so the M3 times I have seen seem to be pretty much right on the Nose.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by bobbo

That is because no one wants a M6, for reasons I am not going into out of respect for M6 owners here. Someone on M3post was able to buy a M6 for a fully loaded M3.

Why, spill the beans?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Artz 330

I had the chance to take out an E92 M3 today. Very nice car, but all those buttons it has and I turned everything up and the car barely felt different. I did not like the sloppy gear shifter and clutch that both seemed rather weak. Felt like drive my old e90 330i stick with more power. This car is missing a soul compared to that of the E46 M3 and my current Z4M. The raw feeling no longer exists.

Well to the fun part.

My 335i has the Helix Attache.

1st Run 2nd gear from 40-100 (I was driving the M) The 335 pulled about 1 1/2 cars

2nd run same thing and 3rd run was also the same.

If we had a chance to get up to 140ish the 335 would def have the M3 by at least 4 car lengths.

The 335i pulls almost identical on my Z4M to that of the new M3 and I ran a best of 12.6@113MPH so the M3 times I have seen seem to be pretty much right on the Nose.

This should be a new thread.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Why, spill the beans?

+1

[T Bone]

Scribed....

I am a little surprised that no one has really upgraded the exhaust manifolds with new bigger turbos yet.... The 335 has been out a long time....

BTW, these threads are always amusing because of the recycled content

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by sajakh

I feel that the M3's better suspension and brakes ONLY translate to better performance when you are driving it at least 8/10th of its potential which can't be done on the road safely ONLY the track. It seems to me that the 335i can match the M3 on the road but NOT on the track. So my next question is


How many M3 drivers actually take their cars to the track to fully realize the performance advantage over a 335i (especially a modded one)?

Another thing. If an M3's performance advantage can only be realized on the track compared to a modded 335i AND track driving nullifies your warranty, what is the advantage of the M3 over a modded 335i in terms of warranty coverage?

Very good points! agree 100%.

Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger

That about nails it... which is why a lot of people don't believe the hype. You hear people all the time say "You can put $20k into a civic and it may be faster but its not an M3" But, that's not the same at all. Because these two cars are on the exact same chassis. E92 M3 meet E92 335. Note the term E92. It's a chassis code. There's no E92.5 or E94 for heavens sakes.

Exactly. Also it's funny that a few months ago that people were clowing on the 335 because they said the "Clutch was too soft" or "Steering was to light" or the "M3 would be lighter" and it ended up the exact opposite. lol

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Scribed....

I am a little surprised that no one has really upgraded the exhaust manifolds with new bigger turbos yet.... The 335 has been out a long time....

BTW, these threads are always amusing because of the recycled content

T Bone -- Have you had issues with your M6?

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

T Bone -- Have you had issues with your M6?

The big issue that I have with my M6 is that there is no autobahn in Kanada. Otherwise the car has been solid, including the SMG tranny.

I did bring it for service today, it seems my VANOS system has some air in there. Some other V10s have had this issue but it would be more accurate to say BMW has some VANOS issues across the board. THe air should purge itself, it just sounds like a deisel at idle nothing more.

I wouldn't worry about bobbo's comment, it appears he doesn't like the M6 but no one in the world cares.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by Artz 330

I had the chance to take out an E92 M3 today. Very nice car, but all those buttons it has and I turned everything up and the car barely felt different. I did not like the sloppy gear shifter and clutch that both seemed rather weak. Felt like drive my old e90 330i stick with more power. This car is missing a soul compared to that of the E46 M3 and my current Z4M. The raw feeling no longer exists.

Well to the fun part.

My 335i has the Helix Attache.

1st Run 2nd gear from 40-100 (I was driving the M) The 335 pulled about 1 1/2 cars

2nd run same thing and 3rd run was also the same.

If we had a chance to get up to 140ish the 335 would def have the M3 by at least 4 car lengths.

The 335i pulls almost identical on my Z4M to that of the new M3 and I ran a best of 12.6@113MPH so the M3 times I have seen seem to be pretty much right on the Nose.

I saw a new blue M3 race a black C6 vette today. Don't know if it was an LS2 or LS3 vette but the M3 got smoked.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by T Bone

The big issue that I have with my M6 is that there is no autobahn in Kanada. Otherwise the car has been solid, including the SMG tranny.

I did bring it for service today, it seems my VANOS system has some air in there. Some other V10s have had this issue but it would be more accurate to say BMW has some VANOS issues across the board. THe air should purge itself, it just sounds like a deisel at idle nothing more.

I wouldn't worry about bobbo's comment, it appears he doesn't like the M6 but no one in the world cares.

Not sure why anyone would not like the M6?? sure is outta my league...same with the M3. I too am amused with the "recycled content" with the M3 vs. 335i.
I wanna see track times with a slightly tuned (aka piggyback) 335i against an M3. Biggest difference (stock vs. stock) has gotta be the M3's power advantage....take that away and how much faster is the M3 because of the suspension?

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

Just reading some stats on the M3 (e92) on road and track. It seems like most 335i's are running actual times of 12.2's with traps of about 112-113mph. However, I see that Road and track is saying that the M3 does it 12.5@114.8 so basically 115. So my question is even with a modified 335i with tune, exhaust, dp's, CAI is the stock M3 going to walk it in a street race?

take the extra 20 grand you spend on the M3 and put it into the 335 and I'll bet the 335 wins any straight race. make a turn in any direction and the 335 will probably end up in the wall.

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

take the extra 20 grand you spend on the M3 and put it into the 335 and I'll bet the 335 wins any straight race. make a turn in any direction and the 335 will probably end up in the wall.

This might sound funny but I dont think I have to spend the 20K on my car:

Power:
V2: $1300
UR DP: $650
UR CAI:$495

Handles:
KMS LSD: $3000
Sway Bars: $600
KW2's:$1500
Light weight wheels $1200
DR's: $600

Looks:
Body kit painted and installed hmmm...not seen one I like but I can allocate about $5K.

So total comes to $14,295

So I paid 42k for my car I have every option instead of navi and sports. plus these mods and my total cost would be $56,295 a nicely optioned M3 will be around 61K.

If I had to race with a modded 335i against the m3 I would be confident that I will come up on top.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

This might sound funny but I dont think I have to spend the 20K on my car:

Power:
V2: $1300
UR DP: $650
UR CAI:$495

Handles:
KMS LSD: $3000
Sway Bars: $600
KW2's:$1500
Light weight wheels $1200
DR's: $600

Looks:
Body kit painted and installed hmmm...not seen one I like but I can allocate about $5K.

So total comes to $14,295

So I paid 42k for my car I have every option instead of navi and sports. plus these mods and my total cost would be $56,295 a nicely optioned M3 will be around 61K.

If I had to race with a modded 335i against the m3 I would be confident that I will come up on top.

But a pig in a dress is still a pig.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by T Bone

The big issue that I have with my M6 is that there is no autobahn in Kanada. Otherwise the car has been solid, including the SMG tranny.

I did bring it for service today, it seems my VANOS system has some air in there. Some other V10s have had this issue but it would be more accurate to say BMW has some VANOS issues across the board. THe air should purge itself, it just sounds like a deisel at idle nothing more.

I wouldn't worry about bobbo's comment, it appears he doesn't like the M6 but no one in the world cares.

That echos my buddy's experience with his M6. Nice to see the dealer do warranty work and not blame the VANOS problem on the Dinan Flash.