[John 070]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

UPDATE

Spoke to Safelite and had them "order" a Pilkington OE replacement windshield.

When I show up for mt appointment, I have a micrometer to test the thickness of the glass, and a piece of white paper to see if there's any sort of green/blue tint to make sure it's "like and kind quality".


They show me the replacement glass, and......... it's Fuyao! Apparently someone at the warehouse sent that instead. Not what we agreed on, so I left. Waiting on a Pilkington or Saint Gobain replacement.

WTH is Fuyao? We have all kinds of RFID and WMS systems nowadays, do you really think someone "sent the wrong one?" They were testing you hoping you would simply cave in and accept Fuyao, which saves your insurance $$$$ giving them a larger profit margin. You called their bluff.

[delmarco]

Originally Posted by Cory S

I've never seen more people so damn anal about a damn windshield... It's a piece of safety glass FFS.... If it's installed correctly, there's nothing to FKN worry about. Geez....

Shit is important!

BMW puts a lot of magic in their glass!

Only the OEM BMW glass will come with the sun stripe thing and the rain sensor attached. My older BMW E46 had an anti-reflective coating to the inside of the glass so you could drive around at nights with your full interior lights on and see out the glass fine. I don't think BMW uses that anymore though. Still is was a cool thing to NOT WANT TO LOSE if Safelite is using cheap ass glass.


Anything else is not good enough.

[Cory S]

Originally Posted by delmarco

yeah. Only the OEM glass come with the rain sensor attached. Anything else then you lose your rain sensor.

Ok. Understandable

[delmarco]

Originally Posted by Cory S

Here's a great article you should all read...

http://blog.credit.com/2015/08/bad-c...-a-dwi-122212/

That should be fcuking illegal! Credit Scores has not a gotdamn thing to do with your ability to safely drive a car.

My Grandma has a 850 credit score but can't drive for shit!

People with bad credit usually don't have a lot of money already to pay higher premiums so the car insurance industry is creating an unsafe environment where they will be more reckless drivers out there and more hit and runs as "poor" and "low tier credit" people would just not get insurance or stop paying after the first month. Then those poor idiots will hit your car or run over someone's kid and just drive off!

A few years when we switched our insurance Progressive wanted our social security numbers (BEFORE our licence ID card numbers - hence driving record) to get a rate generated.

I told my wife I don't ever remember having to give my social security number for car insurance before. So I guess this credit score thing is a new thing they have come up with to charge more for insurance EVEN IF YOU ARE A GOOD DRIVER ALREADY! ....and they already penalize you if you don't have a college degree.

America is a sad fcuking place sometimes!

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by Cory S

I've never seen more people so damn anal about a damn windshield... It's a piece of safety glass FFS.... If it's installed correctly, there's nothing to FKN worry about. Geez....

One would THINK it's just glass... But China is well known for it's poor manufacturing.

• - Solar/UV coating has been known to interfere with rain sensors and/or radar detectors.
  
• - Maybe the glass is thinner, weaker, or made out of inferior materials (thanks China!). Considering it's part of the structure/safety of the vehicle, I'd rather not skimp out there.
  
• - Poor craftsmanship could lead to a number of aesthetic differences as well.

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by John 070

WTH is Fuyao? We have all kinds of RFID and WMS systems nowadays, do you really think someone "sent the wrong one?" They were testing you hoping you would simply cave in and accept Fuyao, which saves your insurance $$$$ giving them a larger profit margin. You called their bluff.

Yup.

I've read plenty of people on this & other boards using OE and OEM ( Pilkington & Saint Gobain) windshields; so honestly I'm fine with either at this point. Some people even feel like OE is better than OEM, and vice versa.

But I haven't seen anyone praising Fuyao Chinese glass!


Got a peek at the Safelite order sheet. It listed the Chinese glass at $480, but the actual sell price was approx $175. Then the labor was $289! They definitely were trying to get away with the cheapest glass.

[Cory S]

Originally Posted by delmarco

That should be fcuking illegal! Credit Scores has not a gotdamn thing to do with your ability to safely drive a car.

My Grandma has a 850 credit score but can't drive for shit!

People with bad credit usually don't have a lot of money already to pay higher premiums so the car insurance industry is creating an unsafe environment where they will be more reckless drivers out there and more hit and runs as "poor" and "low tier credit" people would just not get insurance or stop paying after the first month. Then those poor idiots will hit your car or run over someone's kid and just drive off!

A few years when we switched our insurance Progressive wanted our social security numbers (BEFORE our licence ID card numbers - hence driving record) to get a rate generated.

I told my wife I don't ever remember having to give my social security number for car insurance before. So I guess this credit score thing is a new thing they have come up with to charge more for insurance EVEN IF YOU ARE A GOOD DRIVER ALREADY! ....and they already penalize you if you don't have a college degree.

America is a sad fcuking place sometimes!

I agree, but statistics don't lie.. I went through it all myself about 6 years ago.. I was paying 2x higher on my premiums because I had FICO scores below 650.... Now that I have rebuilt, I'm im at 760-780 FICO, my premiums are rock bottom... My 2011 335 costs me $470/year, my 2008 truck is 369/year. My 1993 Mustang coupe is $270/year....

[delmarco]

Originally Posted by Cory S

I agree, but statistics don't lie.. I went through it all myself about 6 years ago.. I was paying 2x higher on my premiums because I had FICO scores below 650.... Now that I have rebuilt, I'm im at 760-780 FICO, my premiums are rock bottom... My 2011 335 costs me $470/year, my 2008 truck is 369/year. My 1993 Mustang coupe is $270/year....

I hear you. When you look at the usual low tier credit suspect it is usually the young, poor, immigrants, ex-cons, minorities-in-low income-situations, red necks, etc...basically anyone who is going to chance driving WITHOUT INSURANCE for whatever reason is going to do it.

That means when you see a trend spike in hit and runs across the country since 2007 (when this became legal) you know it is the car insurance companies that is creating this unsafe environment for everyone.

They are also starting to raise rates of people with good credit that is how desperate this industry is to make money!


I actually went back and read that 2007/2008 Supreme Court Ruling on this and you know WHY this became legal for Car Insurance Companies to use credit scores for the sole reason for raising rates "...But in 2007, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a lower court ruling, partly because it feared a new flood of adverse action notices would be ignored by consumers..."

makes no sense to me...
All this so some people won't get too much mail in their mail boxes. SMH!

This is what happens when we make America Great Again. LOL!

[Cory S]

Hey I'm voting Trump....

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by Cory S

Hey I'm voting Trump....

MAGA!

[John 070]

Wth I just came back from the grocery store, and noticed the 328i xdrive I'm using has Fuyao on all 4 windows!

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by John 070

Wth I just came back from the grocery store, and noticed the 328i xdrive I'm using has Fuyao on all 4 windows!

Our leaders are making bad deals, and letting China take over...

[John 070]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

Our leaders are making bad deals, and letting China take over...

Even Germans....the Fuyao on the 328i xdrive has a BMW logo, meaning it's OEM. What do we expect, DSC Hydro pumps that fail at 40k, yet have a list price of $2,600 and made in Hungary. Coil packs made in Turkey. Oil filters made in Mexico. Who are they kidding when they say just as good as made in Germany?

My issue is they cut production costs by 50%+, and pass nothing on to the consumer. For pete's sake the M2 has a crooked driver's seat! (but I still want one, i'm a fanboi)

[NiNeTyOne]

Originally Posted by John 070

Wth I just came back from the grocery store, and noticed the 328i xdrive I'm using has Fuyao on all 4 windows!

HOWEVER, and it's a VERY big HOWEVER, the OE glass manufacturing standard they are held to by BMW is probably much, MUCH higher than the standard they are held to by Safelite in the US.

We also know that German/EU standards are higher than US standards for crash, etc. With glass being an integral part of the structure of the car, do the math.

Does the Safelite/Fuyao glass meet the DIN/EU minimum standards? I doubt it. Does it meet US DOT standards? Yeah, but the US DOT is an industry captured regulator.

Once again, measure the glass. OE, by whichever manufacturer, is made according to standards set by the auto manufacturer. After market uses standards set according to the aftermarket vendor and may or may not be equivalent to the manufacturer.

[bloppitybloop]

Fuyao's website lists them as an OEM supplier to BMW and many other automakers.

http://www.fuyaousa.com/

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by reckedhim

Fuyao's website lists them as an OEM supplier to BMW and many other automakers.

http://www.fuyaousa.com/

I was under the impression Fuyao made the glass for BMW China. I guess with manufacturing plants around the world, this is just another way for BMW to cut costs (at the owner's expense).

Still doesn't mean I'll accept that shit on my car.

[Motohip]

Don't ever get glass without the BMW stamp. My stupid passenger side window is concaved. I've seen windshields that were wavy.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

I was under the impression Fuyao made the glass for BMW China. I guess with manufacturing plants around the world, this is just another way for BMW to cut costs (at the owner's expense).

Still doesn't mean I'll accept that shit on my car.

Imagine. 328i is 50k, and a 340i is 60k. If Safelite gives you Fuyao, they could say, "Your car came with the cr**, we installed exactly the same s*** that was there before."

Now this is not true with a E9x, but seems to be the case with a Fxx....

[Efthreeoh]

Some of you posted on my thread from last week regarding my windshield replacement, so sorry for the repeat. I went to Safelite, they used FUYAO glass. It had the correct green tint and shading, the correct blackout trim. It fits perfectly and has no imperfections. Considering FUYAO opened the worlds largest glass manufacturing plant in Dayton, Ohio in 2015 and is a BMW OEM supplier, I'll assume my replacement windshield came from Ohio and is manufactured to BMW specifications. I also assume Safelite transferred the rain sensor over to the new glass since there was no separate part listed for it on the work order. It has rained or poured every day since the replacement last Tuesday. My car is perfectly dry inside, so the installation is water proof, and the rain sensor works as good as it did when the car was new (I've never thought it worked that well anyway).

Just my 2 cents.

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Some of you posted on my thread from last week regarding my windshield replacement, so sorry for the repeat. I went to Safelite, they used FUYAO glass. It had the correct green tint and shading, the correct blackout trim. It fits perfectly and has no imperfections. Considering FUYAO opened the worlds largest glass manufacturing plant in Dayton, Ohio in 2015 and is a BMW OEM supplier, I'll assume my replacement windshield came from Ohio and is manufactured to BMW specifications. I also assume Safelite transferred the rain sensor over to the new glass since there was no separate part listed for it on the work order. It has rained or poured every day since the replacement last Tuesday. My car is perfectly dry inside, so the installation is water proof, and the rain sensor works as good as it did when the car was new (I've never thought it worked that well anyway).

Just my 2 cents.

Glad to hear!

I was one of those guys commenting on your thread. If anything comes up, I for one would be interested. Regardless of where it's manufactured; it's a Chinese company and they're notorious for cutting costs, along with sub par quality. I inspected the FUYAO glass they tried to pass off on me and it seemed fine, but I'm no expert. I just know I'd rather not have a chinese product if there is a better option available.


All FUYAO has to do is supply BMW with glass for cars manufactured in China, and BOOM... they're an "OEM supplier"! Not exactly a high standard these days. Same goes for BMW. They're spreading too fast, cutting costs, and it's showing in the quality of their vehicles (More so the quality control; not the design/engineering).

[John 070]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

Glad to hear!

I was one of those guys commenting on your thread. If anything comes up, I for one would be interested. Regardless of where it's manufactured; it's a Chinese company and they're notorious for cutting costs, along with sub par quality. I inspected the FUYAO glass they tried to pass off on me and it seemed fine, but I'm no expert. I just know I'd rather not have a chinese product if there is a better option available.


All FUYAO has to do is supply BMW with glass for cars manufactured in China, and BOOM... they're an "OEM supplier"! Not exactly a high standard these days. Same goes for BMW. They're spreading too fast, cutting costs, and it's showing in the quality of their vehicles (More so the quality control; not the design/engineering).

Not sure if it's all in my head or what. But once I realized that all the glass on the 328i I'm driving was made by Fuyao, it's like the car didn't handle as well anymore and the motor was kind of rough even for a four banger...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

Glad to hear!

I was one of those guys commenting on your thread. If anything comes up, I for one would be interested. Regardless of where it's manufactured; it's a Chinese company and they're notorious for cutting costs, along with sub par quality. I inspected the FUYAO glass they tried to pass off on me and it seemed fine, but I'm no expert. I just know I'd rather not have a chinese product if there is a better option available.


All FUYAO has to do is supply BMW with glass for cars manufactured in China, and BOOM... they're an "OEM supplier"! Not exactly a high standard these days. Same goes for BMW. They're spreading too fast, cutting costs, and it's showing in the quality of their vehicles (More so the quality control; not the design/engineering).

Well accept for all the supplier awards from most of the major auto manufacturers... And no company is going to manufacture to two different specs between OEM and aftermarket for the same part. The price difference wouldn't make up for the logistics costs of keeping to processes running in the same plant. You are just paying for the Roundel.

You think BMW builds cars in China to a different specification in China vs. the US vs. South Africa vs. Germany?