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      05-04-2016, 08:57 AM   #45
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Ive had good dealings with Wedge while I was doing canned tune comparisons so my vote goes to them. He was always quick to respond and offer help if/when I needed it.

In the end, either one will probably do well for you, but make sure they get your car running right before you accept a tune as the final one. And always remember to log, log, log and log some more, even after the tune has been dialed in.

IMO though, learn how to do it yourself. That way you arent relying on someone else.
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      05-04-2016, 09:55 AM   #46
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I have been tunes by wedge, BQ, and PTF

Wedge and BQ equally but the same amount of effort to get my tune perfect and where in constant contact with me daily. Ultimately BQ has a better solution for my DCT car, but wedge still tried his hardest.

My experience with PTF was horrible and I didn't get responses back for days at a time. Not only that it seemed like the tuner could care less who I was or what I was asking for.
could you elaborate on bq offering a better dct solution?
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      05-04-2016, 11:47 AM   #47
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could you elaborate on bq offering a better dct solution?
No one was able to get me passed 25 psi without slipping. Bq solved the issue for me.
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      05-04-2016, 12:02 PM   #48
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No one was able to get me passed 25 psi without slipping. Bq solved the issue for me.
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      05-04-2016, 12:02 PM   #49
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No issues with PTF when i used to run COBB.

have been tuned by Wedge since last summer and just recently added inlets to my FBO setup....so far so good with the revisions on my e60 tune and hoping to re-dyno soon

wedge is great with helping out and proving explanations and response time is good.
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      05-04-2016, 12:50 PM   #50
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Interesting thread as people take too much time to post negative responses to the OP when they can just move on. Yes searching is a great tool and should be used but this is also a Proggressive forum for which a post from 2015 might not have the exact answer nor have new members comment as they wont go back and answer a thread from a year ago.. Anyhow flame away I guess.

I voted BQ simply because he has been doing my tune and I have been extremely happy and he has responded quickly and diagnosed my issues etc.
I actually signed up with Wedge and that was when him and BuraQ were partners. Dimitri just happened at the time be assigned to me. After Wedge and Buraq decided to separate Buraq informed me he continue to work with me.
I can't comment on other tuners and I don't think many people can so really the best thing for OP is if those who have had experiences post those and then OP can choose based on feedback. I guess if I say BuraQ has been great , responds with maps within 72 hours usually 24 though and has taking time to explain things to me and my car flys then if more feel the same OP can feel good about tuning with him. On the other hand I have read many happy people with Wedge hence why I originally went with Wedge. the more people express there experiences and the better the OP can decide what suits him. Another idea OP is to shoot them all a email asking about perhaps there philosophy on tuning out cars and what you specifically are looking for ie most power without car longevity or a nice bump from stock but still very safe and with turbo life and tranny life considered. It's great getting stock turbos to produce 430hp plus but how many miles on your current car etc. I'm starting to see things happen more now like injector failures , spark plug and coils need to be changed more frequent. Oil changes etc. This of course is not new but something to consider. I only say this as when I started tuning I honestly didn't think about that too much just wanted to go fast. When you double the boost parts are going to wear quicker it's just a fact. Therefore I think picking a tuner that understands what your looking for is key too. Just my 2 cents. BuraQ has done that with me.

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      05-04-2016, 01:22 PM   #51
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instead of lowering your psi to solve timing correction, he send you different maps to find what the real problem and solution is. In my example, end of the day my timing problem was solved, but BQ's map was still keeping my psi high (thats what exactly I was looking for)
Sure, you can run high boost and pull timing out until there are no timing corrections, but there is a point where it's better to reduce the boost instead and make the same power, safer.

I personally run 14psi FBO on stock turbos. Diminishing returns past that on pump with no meth due to the amount of timing that needs to come out to go higher in boost. Boost is just a bragging number.
I recommend you to run 8psi, so you won't have any timing correction. Car will be so smooth and no problem at all.
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      05-05-2016, 04:52 AM   #52
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I recommend you to run 8psi, so you won't have any timing correction. Car will be so smooth and no problem at all.
LOL no. There is a sweet spot and it's well above 8psi. In my case, the timing that needs to be pulled to go much further over 14psi is not worth pushing it for.
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      05-05-2016, 05:38 AM   #53
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LOL no. There is a sweet spot and it's well above 8psi. In my case, the timing that needs to be pulled to go much further over 14psi is not worth pushing it for.
I found the same when on stock turbos.
14 odd max psi on 5 degrees timing on pump fuel.
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      05-05-2016, 08:36 AM   #54
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My experience with PTF and Dzenno specifically was nothing short of amazing. My vote by far goes to Dzenno at PTF by far. Two of my buddies have switch over from one of the two mentioned above as they really weren't happy at all with how tunes were handled. I am not mentioning which no need to start tuna wars. This thread is nothing but tuna wars though. It'll go nowhere as usual.
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      05-05-2016, 09:43 AM   #55
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My first hand experience
I have this e82 n55 2012 with a forged built engine custom turbo kit and methanol , running COBB primarily and AEM EMS series 4 for the EFR9174 and additional fuel rail
Many people said going custom turbo on the N55 and tuning it will be a problem
I have tried protuners before Motiv and brentuning and pp performance and Tensai tuning and another Aussie tuner local to me ,
I spent thousands on the dyno and left my car with some shops for more than a month and got no where some people even asked me to change the EMS and Cobb and to get something else they are more capable tuning and believe me I did and still they weren't able to tune it till I met Dzenno
Dzenno remote tuned my COBB and AEM EMS-4 in 3 logs , what took jake from Motiv and brentuning months and then they lost hope and said ure car is useless and no one can tune it , he came in 2 nights tuned it fixed all the issues , raised the torque to 700 + and all that for 499 USD
If he asked for 4999 I would have paid him 😂
Dzenno is the most knowledgable N55 tuner most honest most trust worthy and not into profit COBB protuner there is in existence , I honestly think he invented the acessport but doesn't want to admit that 😂 he works 7 days a week , fixes ure tune Even if u didn't ask him he will make it better , replies in minutes on Facebook and email , Does all of this and doesn't ask for an additional payment he is with u all the way

Now I am at 2.2 bar (+30 psi )
Who made that possible on an my car + 30 psi only Dzenno

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      05-05-2016, 10:07 AM   #56
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If you have a DCT I would go with BQ, he was able to solve my DCT downshift slip issue. He is always very quick to respond and explains where you are in the process as the tune is being dialed in for your car and fuel of choice.
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      05-05-2016, 11:14 AM   #57
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If you have a DCT I would go with BQ, he was able to solve my DCT downshift slip issue. He is always very quick to respond and explains where you are in the process as the tune is being dialed in for your car and fuel of choice.
could you elaborate on the downshift slip?
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      05-05-2016, 12:35 PM   #58
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I voted Wedge. I've never had a single issue with getting in contact with him ever. My tune is solid as fuck at 25+ psi on stock turbos , with inlets/outlets and traps 125 in the 1/4, with a 6mt and radials.
I hope you are watching your logs, 25+ sounds like a lot for stock turbos. Look what happened to this guy running a wedge tune and similar boost:

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...ht=blown+turbo


OP: I am surprised you don't have PTF on your list. Do you search or google. Not trying to be rude so please don't take it that way, but a quick search came up with the link above.

I can only speak about dzenno, but I have run jb4, wedge, and ptf on my 2011 dct 135i and ptf have by far been the best. My logs are the cleanest, the boost is solid, and most importantly, the throttle is the smoothest. IMO, it is easy to get max performance at WOT going in a straight line, but that wasn't good enough for me. I wanted my car to be smooth for track days, weekend canyon runs, or 1/2 mile races. PTF got the job done. And if I want tweaks, Dzenno has always been glad to do them.

in terms of turn around time, every tuner is going to have variations in their workload. Sometimes you may get multiple revisions in a day, sometimes it may take a week. the most important thing when going from revision to revision is that the tuner tweaks builds off of your prior tune and that the tune is tailored to your car. Not all tuners do this, but this how PTF builds their tunes for their customers.

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      05-05-2016, 02:37 PM   #59
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that guy running 25+ on wedge tune who blew his turbos was me lol.

The turbo failure had nothing to do with the tune. Oil quality as the oil lair broke down at high rpm and metal to metal friction caused the bearing to fail. This was the reason my rear turbo blew because of the BMW oil that was used. With my tune I should have used a zinc additive with 5-40, 0-40 or 0-50 racing oil. BMW covered it for me with the help from the car gods and now the car is up and running good with Liqui Moly 5w-40 racing oil! I am not bashing you or trolling the above poster, just wanted to give you an update on the turbo failure

I would choose Wedge just because my car performs really well with his tuning, he replies in a timely manner, and tells you how your car is liking every update/revision he sends you.
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      05-05-2016, 03:26 PM   #60
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I say Wedge because I have a wedge tune...lol.. But really with either Wedge/BQ you cant go wrong. Some feel BQ does better with DCT, thats quite possible because he has one and probably knows it better than any. Having said that- Wedge/Ken has been a treat to work with. He understands what you want and listens, gives you his inputs. He may get slammed, and even then he would still get back to you fairly quickly (under 48 hrs).
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I voted Wedge. I've never had a single issue with getting in contact with him ever. My tune is solid as fuck at 25+ psi on stock turbos , with inlets/outlets and traps 125 in the 1/4, with a 6mt and radials.
Can u post a log bro.. I'm FBO as well but nervous AF when I hit WOT and I only peak at 16.5psi on Stage 1 MHD v5 tune, on stock turbos lol..
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For those of you who chose Wedge, without giving his prices away can you give us non-wedge/bq guys an idea of what it costs to have a tune custom made by them..?
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Thanks for the update and glad your car is up and running. Not sure how you concluded the BMW oil you were using was at fault, but this is the first I have heard of anyone saying that. Did you get an blackstone analysis completed?

Irrespective of what caused your bearing to fail, as others mentioned in your thread, the log of the tune you shared does not look good at all.

In the end, you are happy with your tuner, so it's all good. Just sharing info with others.

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that guy running 25+ on wedge tune who blew his turbos was me lol.

The turbo failure had nothing to do with the tune. Oil quality as the oil lair broke down at high rpm and metal to metal friction caused the bearing to fail. This was the reason my rear turbo blew because of the BMW oil that was used. With my tune I should have used a zinc additive with 5-40, 0-40 or 0-50 racing oil. BMW covered it for me with the help from the car gods and now the car is up and running good with Liqui Moly 5w-40 racing oil! I am not bashing you or trolling the above poster, just wanted to give you an update on the turbo failure

I would choose Wedge just because my car performs really well with his tuning, he replies in a timely manner, and tells you how your car is liking every update/revision he sends you.
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For those of you who chose Wedge, without giving his prices away can you give us non-wedge/bq guys an idea of what it costs to have a tune custom made by them..?
Most custom tuners charge $250 or so, and it's an additional $50 per for octane changes and significant bolt on changes
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Well I signed up with BQ and have already began my logging process to dial in a 100%e85 tune. so far so good, with the tune, the car however decided the extra power was a tad too much lol. Getting on the freeway after work yesterday when I got on it a bit to merge, I launched my front diff. new parts in route and will be back to logging by the weekend.
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