[AlanQS]

Going back to the fuel price in Scotland, petrol 109.9, diesel 119.9 Change per gallon is 45.5p which is pretty close to half a quid.
They don't make a 320d vert. so that is bombed out though the difference in performance between a 320d and a 325d is pretty minimal so I would think twice about going that way anyway - if those were the choices under consideration.

Although the diesel version would have higher residuals, you wouldn't get all the difference in price back - half if you were lucky.

I think the attraction of diesel to 2nd hand buyers falls away a bit, the older the car is, the less residual benefit you'll get - until it's five or six years old and a lot of mileage where the accepted wisdom is that a diesel motors on longer than an equivalent petrol.

[dakusingh]

Originally Posted by CrimsonRedE93

BMW Finance is easy but expensive, a homeowner loan will take 3 weeks.

Why do you want CA ????

CA i feel is a good feature.

[CrimsonRedE93]

I was not sure if you wanted it just to operate the roof from further away as you have to be next to the car to operate the roof without CA.

If it was just for the roof have a look at one of these

http://www.wit-usa.com/sms/db/smartt...93_v1.1/en.php

[dakusingh]

looks interesting lol ..... but also CA has keyless go right? + keyless entry etc..

[CrimsonRedE93]

Yes CA does have keyless entry but not that many european cars have that option by the looks of the cars I have seen for sale, must be popular with our American friends.

[gIzzE]

Funny thing with petrol vs diesel, it changes drastically depending on the age of the car.
Buying new diesel will hold better value when you sell it at 3 years old, get to 5 years old and there is still a bit of a premium, however, by the time you get to 6 or 7 years old the petrol cars start to even out, less problems with turbos etc. and I think people see them as more trouble free.

Also worth bearing in mind is the 330i will return about 4mpg less than the 330d, it is well under the 225g/km threshold, it has 272bhp and sounds as sweet as a nut.
I think people will start to realise in 12 months or so just how good the new straight six petrol engines from BMW are, don't get me wrong, I love diesel and the way it delivers its power, but there is no way I would buy a convertible diesel over a petrol that is faster, just as clean, handles better, and sounds sublime for the sake of 4 mpg.

Depreciation and running costs for someone doing 12k miles a year on a car that is 3-6 months old and 25% off list price would be around £750 a month for the diesel and £785 a month for the petrol.
Is it seriously worth worrying about?

[dakusingh]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Funny thing with petrol vs diesel, it changes drastically depending on the age of the car.
Buying new diesel will hold better value when you sell it at 3 years old, get to 5 years old and there is still a bit of a premium, however, by the time you get to 6 or 7 years old the petrol cars start to even out, less problems with turbos etc. and I think people see them as more trouble free.

Also worth bearing in mind is the 330i will return about 4mpg less than the 330d, it is well under the 225g/km threshold, it has 272bhp and sounds as sweet as a nut.
I think people will start to realise in 12 months or so just how good the new straight six petrol engines from BMW are, don't get me wrong, I love diesel and the way it delivers its power, but there is no way I would buy a convertible diesel over a petrol that is faster, just as clean, handles better, and sounds sublime for the sake of 4 mpg.

Depreciation and running costs for someone doing 12k miles a year on a car that is 3-6 months old and 25% off list price would be around £750 a month for the diesel and £785 a month for the petrol.
Is it seriously worth worrying about?

How about if you triple the mileage a year? then?

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by dakusingh

How about if you triple the mileage a year? then?

Well to work out fuel costs....

Mileage divided by mpg, multiplied by 4.54 to get litres, then multiply that by the price per litre = yearly fuel bill.

The point was depreciation is still the killer cost with a car, unless were are buying very cheap cars fuel cost doesn't really play a part unless you go for something like a 320d from a 335i, then if you do 20-50k miles a year you will notice it.

[dakusingh]

Thanks gIzzE, From the formula i worked out,

Assuming i will do around 35,000 and Petrol = £1.09 and Diesel = £1.20

320d(53.3mpg) = £3,577 / +0.00

325d(45.3mpg) = £4,209 / +£632

330d(43.5mpg) = £4,383 / +£806

325i(37.2mpg) = £4,655 / +£1,078

330i(36.7mpg) = £4,719 / +£1,142

335i(29.7mpg) = £5,831 / +£2,254

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by dakusingh

Thanks gIzzE, From the formula i worked out,

Assuming i will do around 35,000 and Petrol = £1.09 and Diesel = £1.20

320d(53.3mpg) = £3,577 / +0.00

325d(45.3mpg) = £4,209 / +£632

330d(43.5mpg) = £4,383 / +£806

325i(37.2mpg) = £4,655 / +£1,078

330i(36.7mpg) = £4,719 / +£1,142

335i(29.7mpg) = £5,831 / +£2,254

But also work out depreciation too, in the grand scheme of things £80 a month going from a 320d to a 330i is not that big a deal, if you can afford to do 100,000 miles in a £30k BMW and take the hit on the depreciation surely another £20 a week is not the end of the world?

[dakusingh]

Yeah, i see your point. Is Car Tax cheaper or same?

[CrimsonRedE93]

Lets just say the E93 330D is £170 and the E93 335i is £400 or which ever way you want to look at it.

[dakusingh]

Thats a huge difference.

[gIzzE]

A 330i is £215 a year.

[hmi1750]

and the 06 330d is £210, the newer ED models might be less, not checked.

[steve-p]

Originally Posted by hmi1750

and the 06 330d is £210, the
newer ED models might be less, not checked.

£145 for ED manual cars, not sure about autos.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by dakusingh

Thanks gIzzE, From the formula i worked out,

Assuming i will do around 35,000 and Petrol = £1.09 and Diesel = £1.20

320d(53.3mpg) = £3,577 / +0.00

325d(45.3mpg) = £4,209 / +£632

330d(43.5mpg) = £4,383 / +£806

325i(37.2mpg) = £4,655 / +£1,078

330i(36.7mpg) = £4,719 / +£1,142

335i(29.7mpg) = £5,831 / +£2,254

You won't average 53 mpg in a 320d.

[mjh93sa]

Nor will you hit the figures for the others, so it all evens out % wise, but might make a difference £ wise.

When I was doing similarly before getting the 330d I threw a 10% loss onto the official figures straight away.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by mjh93sa

Nor will you hit the figures for the others, so it all evens out % wise, but might make a difference £ wise.

When I was doing similarly before getting the 330d I threw a 10% loss onto the official figures straight away.

Dropping them all by the same percentage would work.

[CrimsonRedE93]

I think they are the standard quotes BMW figures rather than the real world ones

[dakusingh]

they are all from BMW, so if you can "drop" them all at the same rate, the difference will still be the same % i guess.

[3_toed_tree_sloth]

Originally Posted by NFS

You won't average 53 mpg in a 320d.

You might as my OBC is currently reading 52.3mpg.
My daily commute consists of 2 x 40 mile trips.

This includes 2 x 30 mile motorway blasts (70 to 80 mph)
and 2 x 10 mile A and B road.

I won't go on as this subject has been done to death on another blog.