[PAKMAN]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

Hey Pak, chill out ... he is saying in his openiong water in the intake shouldn't be too big of a problem ...

so j-levis can i throw water in my intake and you guys pay for my damages because you stated that its ookay for large amounts of water to get into my intake.

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by snipersix

dam wers the E90 love, on these hood and the CSL bootlid...

there is one with a powerdone design already ... and the bootlid is coming soon

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by PAKMAN

so j-levis505 can i throw water in my intake and you guys pay for my damages because you stated that its ookay for large amounts of water to get into my intake.

I have already addressed your concern:

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Now, as for the air filter concern - if you have an open air filter, that is a very legitimate concern. Your car could (probably won't, through all of the pressed filtration, but it could) suck up a few drops of water. No worries. That's what Goretex socks are for. They let in all the air, none of the water. DINAN uses them on their long-ram intakes, which go into the bumper of the car and often are subjected to large puddles.

Thank you!
JL

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by PAKMAN

wtf are you talking about? taking large amounts of water and throwing it in your engine? will you be responsible for the damage for the cars because it is a "JLEVI" vorsteiner edition hood. And if someone has an intake like a Vishnu dual cone and you hose down water in that sucker wooOO WOOO WOOO!

He didn't state that anywhere in any of his posts. He actually said that if you have an open air intake it's a legitimate concern. However, in his opinion a few drops of water is fine as long as you dont hose it down. Obviously you would only wash your hood if you don't have an open air intake or if you're careful not to get the water in there. Nowhere did he state that you should hose down your engine bay.

[Minipuck V 2.0]

and honestly we won't know until someone runs into this problem and shares it ...

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Sorry, I meant to ask what are Goretex socks? I mean I know Gortex and that the water repellent material, but what is a goretex sock and where would that go?

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

and honestly we won't know until someone runs into this problem and shares it ...

We already know - Vorsteiner has sold thousands of vented hoods for the E46, E39, E60, E63/E64, E90, E92, E36, Audi B4, Audi B5, Mercedes W211.... need I go on?

Granted, if you have some haphazard / poorly rigged wiring in your engine bay, or an exposed intake, you should not let water in your engine bay. That's a given. I'm saying that
a) your car from the factory is equipped to handle water under the engine bay
b) You should not have exposed wires under your engine bay AT ALL anyways, because your car's chassis is grounded, and one day you will hit a bump and create a short
c) If you think your engine bay stays dry in the rain, you are sorely mistaken
d) If you have an open intake, that's fine, but you should probably put a goretex sock on that filter if you want to run this hood.

That is all.
Not sure why PAKMAN thinks it's appropriate to whip his personal and long-standing vendetta against our company out in this thread, but hey, to each his own. We respect him for it anyways.

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

Sorry, I meant to ask what are Goretex socks? I mean I know Gortex and that the water repellent material, but what is a goretex sock and where would that go?

Looks like DINAN changed to a full intake box (they used to have that long ram intake back in the day)... so I'm having a hard time finding where you can buy a goretex sock, but basically it's a cylindrically shaped piece of goretex that velcro's onto your air filter to protect it from sucking up water.

How about this - some of you guys show me your intake setups and we'll go from there. What are you all running? Logic? We'll be running a Logic HVI on our 335i with the vented hood, so I'm sure we will figure this out

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

We already know - Vorsteiner has sold thousands of vented hoods for the E46, E39, E60, E63/E64, E90, E92, E36, Audi B4, Audi B5, Mercedes W211.... need I go on?

Granted, if you have some haphazard / poorly rigged wiring in your engine bay, or an exposed intake, you should not let water in your engine bay. That's a given. I'm saying that
a) your car from the factory is equipped to handle water under the engine bay
b) You should not have exposed wires under your engine bay AT ALL anyways, because your car's chassis is grounded, and one day you will hit a bump and create a short
c) If you think your engine bay stays dry in the rain, you are sorely mistaken
d) If you have an open intake, that's fine, but you should probably put a goretex sock on that filter if you want to run this hood.

That is all.
Not sure why PAKMAN thinks it's appropriate to whip his personal and long-standing vendetta against our company out in this thread, but hey, to each his own. We respect him for it anyways.

I am not sure why you lumped PAKMAN and me together in a response because I have only share legitimate experiences and share my opinion in what potential customers are asking about the hood.

Back to what I said about HID foglights, my concern is that not all elements of a HID fog light kit is protected against water. I have seen first hand, people will vented hoods that get water into their HID kits. I am simply bringing that up as a concern that people should be aware of.

I never once said that once that no water gets into the engine bay. not once, so please do not put words into my mouth.

I am curious about this goretex sock solution you have for open intakes. Where would you get one and does it affect intake performance?

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Looks like DINAN changed to a full intake box (they used to have that long ram intake back in the day)... so I'm having a hard time finding where you can buy a goretex sock, but basically it's a cylindrically shaped piece of goretex that velcro's onto your air filter to protect it from sucking up water.

How about this - some of you guys show me your intake setups and we'll go from there. What are you all running? Logic? We'll be running a Logic HVI on our 335i with the vented hood, so I'm sure we will figure this out

Oh no, I don't drive a 335i at all. Again, I am only here to share my experience with the hood. My only concern is how to prevent water from getting into open intakes as people were asking about it.

[PAKMAN]

dont be to butthurt you guys. seriously if you cant back yourselves up with answers dont come up with products that will cause problems etc dont come up with em without full inspections and research. so what you guys are saying to the customers with a dual cone and this hood "SUCKSFOR YOU"?

[SV Concepts]

Minipuck,
I certainly didn't mean to "lump" you in, and I really do appreciate your interest and your questions - it's always good to publicly air out concerns and questions about a product, so I am 100% with you here. Sorry if I came off as defending myself from you specifically - I was more directing my defense at PAKMAN, given our history with him.

Anyways, I can't for the life of me find anyone doing a goretex sock, which is funny, because they used to come with Dinan, Benfer, and a few other intakes. Also, there was one around the filter of my VF Engineering supercharger back when I had it... so I know they are out there.

Worst case, I will design one and we'll start selling it. It's a really simply little thing. Doesn't decrease airflow more than maybe 5-10%, but won't let water in... just like a windbreaker you would wear which "breathes" but keeps you dry. Impressive little material. Let me wait till I get the 335i in our shop, and then we'll engineer something if need be.

Would you be opposed to sending me some specs and photos of your intake system?

Thanks
JL

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by PAKMAN

dont be to butthurt you guys. seriously if you cant back yourselves up with answers dont come up with products that will cause problems etc dont come up with em without full inspections and research. so what you guys are saying to the customers with a dual cone and this hood "SUCKSFOR YOU"?

By all means, please ask as many questions and air as many concerns as you want. But please, leave the attitude and the disrespect at the door? No reason for that kind of stuff. It just brings everybody down.

JL

[PAKMAN]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Also, you are aware that it is recommended that you wash under the hood, right? As in, part of your car's normal maintenance is that you should take a hose, soapy water, and clean under the hood just like you would your wheels...

These cars are designed for this!

here kenny. he connected washing his wheels to washing his engine bay. lemme do this for you HOSING YOUR WHEELS:HOSING YOUR ENGINE. SAT for you.

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

Minipuck,
I certainly didn't mean to "lump" you in, and I really do appreciate your interest and your questions - it's always good to publicly air out concerns and questions about a product, so I am 100% with you here. Sorry if I came off as defending myself from you specifically - I was more directing my defense at PAKMAN, given our history with him.

Anyways, I can't for the life of me find anyone doing a goretex sock, which is funny, because they used to come with Dinan, Benfer, and a few other intakes. Also, there was one around the filter of my VF Engineering supercharger back when I had it... so I know they are out there.

Worst case, I will design one and we'll start selling it. It's a really simply little thing. Doesn't decrease airflow more than maybe 5-10%, but won't let water in... just like a windbreaker you would wear which "breathes" but keeps you dry. Impressive little material. Let me wait till I get the 335i in our shop, and then we'll engineer something if need be.

Would you be opposed to sending me some specs and photos of your intake system?

Thanks
JL

That would be a interesting product, but I am not sure if I recall correctly, but Goretex can be quite expensive. Just thinking about North Face jackets that have that material. But it would be good to come up with a solution for open intakes. I personally am just still uneasy with the idea of water getting to the intakes.

[hov333]

+1 about the gortex socks. I have the dual KN setup. The vent is actually very close to the filters and if I were to be careless and just wash the hood like any other, I can easily drench the cones. For this reason, i try to spray the water from the passenger side rather than directly toward the vent or from the driver's side. The picture that shows where the water would be may be accurate of where water puddles up, but that is not actually where the vents are located on the hood, they are much closer toward the front of the car. In relation to the cones, the vent just misses being directly above it, more to the front and a bit to the right.

here's about where the filters go:

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by PAKMAN

here kenny. he connected washing his wheels to washing his engine bay. lemme do this for you HOSING YOUR WHEELS:HOSING YOUR ENGINE. SAT for you.

He said clean the hood though. You can just clean the hood without having to hose down the engine bay. He also stated that it's not recommended to spray down it down if you have an open air intake. If you just saw the word "hose" and assumed he meant hosing down the entire engine bay then that's fine. Still, his statement that open air intakes is a legitimate concern should take precedent over hosing down the engine bay.

I honestly don't understand why this is such a big issue. Basically it comes down to this:

-if you have open air intakes, you should get the sealed vents version (recommended) or simply aim the water away from the vents
-if you don't have an open air intake then you're perfectly fine

There are countless people out there running these vented hoods without any problems over the past years so I don't see why all of a sudden there's a concern for it now.

[EastCoast335i]

While reading this whole thread go back and forth, talking about hosing down this, gortex sock that... I thought to myself....
95% of the time you know when its going to rain (weather report, looking up at the syk, etc...) so why not design some type of cover/plug that can be put over the vents or on the underside of the hood?
When you think its going to rain put them on, problem solved. I cant see them being that hard to design (if your at all ingenious you could probably design one yourself) they dont have to be water-tight, just good enough to keep most of the rain out.
After the rain ends take them off... Waaa-La, You get your cake and can eat it too!

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by hov333

+1 about the gortex socks. I have the dual KN setup. The vent is actually very close to the filters and if I were to be careless and just wash the hood like any other, I can easily drench the cones. For this reason, i try to spray the water from the passenger side rather than directly toward the vent or from the driver's side. The picture that shows where the water would be may be accurate of where water puddles up, but that is not actually where the vents are located on the hood, they are much closer toward the front of the car. In relation to the cones, the vent just misses being directly above it, more to the front and a bit to the right.

here's about where the filters go:

It might appear that your water sits a bit further back than where it was for mine



these were the spots where I found water to be after a simple wash

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by EastCoast335i

While reading this whole thread go back and forth, talking about hosing down this, gortex sock that... I thought to myself....
95% of the time you know when its going to rain (weather report, looking up at the syk, etc...) so why not design some type of cover/plug that can be put over the vents or on the underside of the hood?
When you think its going to rain put them on, problem solved. I cant see them being that hard to design (if your at all ingenious you could probably design one yourself) they dont have to be water-tight, just good enough to keep most of the rain out.
After the rain ends take them off... Waaa-La, You get your cake and can eat it too!

they can seal up the vents for you if you would like but then engine heat can not escape.

edit: the design isn't hard but you probably need something made out of the correct material as well ... its easy to come up with ideas but the manufacturing process takes a little bit more.

[EastCoast335i]

Originally Posted by Minipuck V 2.0

they can seal up the vents for you if you would like but then engine heat can not escape.

edit: the design isn't hard but you probably need something made out of the correct material as well ... its easy to come up with ideas but the manufacturing process takes a little bit more.

I was thinking molded rubber pieces that would go over and into the vents... May not look great but its not like it rains every day.
Something you could put on and take off in minutes and store in your trunk when not being used.

[Minipuck V 2.0]

Originally Posted by EastCoast335i

I was thinking molded rubber pieces that would go over and into the vents... May not look great but its not like it rains every day.
Something you could put on and take off in minutes and store in your trunk when not being used.

curious if you are thinking they would be inserted from the top or underneath?