[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

No, these are the same tires.
The tire shop that installed BALLA's tires installed them with the white lettering on the inside. I know this since this is what he told me.

After picking up these tires, it's amazing to compare the rubber with the Nittos. The Hoosiers are much softer.

Wonder how the 60's times would compare with the NIttos? You dont have a vbox to test a couple launches?

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Wonder how the 60's times would compare with the NIttos? You dont have a vbox to test a couple launches?

#1, I don't have a V box.
#2, I don't have an area to really try it out.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

#1, I don't have a V box.
#2, I don't have an area to really try it out.

I think you would only have to go up to 40mph, so it would still be under the speed limit, LOL.

Well, if you can't find anyone else interested, and you are willing to sell them for real cheap, PM me. I still don't know by James' response if they are almost worn out or what. I would be willing to try them. Who knows if they would yield me any improvement over the ET Streets. But I am curious!

[Driver72]

Kind of OT here, but kind of relative.
I'm sure you guys know "Sticky" on the M3post.
He's the guy over there that constantly bashes 335i's.
I never heard of him before I posted over there asking if any M3's wanted to join us at the West Coast Dyno Day I organized last month.

He b1tched and moaned and basically berated 335i owners.

I occasionally check out the M3 post because, well I love M3's too.
But it gets old seeing so many of his posts talking down on the 335i and many are misinformed and ignorant posts regarding the 335i anyway.

Well as you all know he raced Kpari09 with his modded e92 M3 with DCT (at the time making 370 rwhp) when Kpari09 was on the weak RD Sport Black box which makes about 320 rwhp.
So of course Sticky won and then talked so much crap about 335i's it was nauseating.
He recently posted that a tuned 335i has troubles keeping up with a STOCK e92 M3.

Ironically the week AFTER this December 6th Famoso event he went to a private track day at Famoso with his modded M3.
He's got a new tune now (and is estimating 380 rwhp but will have it dynoed again soon) and was on Drag Radials.

Guess what?
His best run was a 12.196 @ 115.1

I posted Warren's time of 12.191 @ 116.3 on just a $650 tune, race gas and DR's.
One guy called BS already, but I posted that Shiv inspected the car and then Warren went to Sacramento the following weekend and did 11.99 @ 117.5

I told them his car is abnormally fast and that most 335i's on that same map, gas would probably trap in the 115-116 range however.

I wonder if Sticky is still going to continue to talk all the trash of how the "lowly" 335i can't keep up with the M3. Maybe he'll realize that we are all enthusiasts and car lovers and get off his high perch he thinks he's on and grow up and give other cars, including the car his beloved M3 is based on some love and respect.

Peace and cheers.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I think you would only have to go up to 40mph, so it would still be under the speed limit, LOL.

Well, if you can't find anyone else interested, and you are willing to sell them for real cheap, PM me. I still don't know by James' response if they are almost worn out or what. I would be willing to try them. Who knows if they would yield me any improvement over the ET Streets. But I am curious!

I contacted Hoosier yesterday by the way.
The bumps in the lines are not the wear indicators.
The holes (indentations) off to the side are the wear indicators and as you can see in the picture attached, they aren't even touched.
In other words, even if the lines (grooves) were not visible on the tire, there would still be pleanty of meat left on the tire.

I've updated the FS thread with the previous pictures with them being off the wheels.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195406

These tires are not to be confused with the BFG drag radials or the Nittos.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Driver72

One guy called BS already, but I posted that Shiv inspected the car

Come again? I never inspected the car.

Shiv

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Come again? I never inspected the car.

Shiv

HOTROD mentioned you looked under his hood and even in the intake box?

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Come again? I never inspected the car.

Shiv

Yeah, Warren said you looked under the hood and under the wheel wells and so forth.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Yeah, Warren said you looked under the hood and under the wheel wells and so forth.

He showed me the air filter. That is all. Dan/ktdw was there as well.

Shiv

[Bagelfast]

I really dont like to get in the middle of this, but it seems HOTROD made it seem like something more:

"I was going to demand for him to inspect my car to his satisfaction. When I finally found him, I was rather astonished how non-confrontational he was. He was very pleasant, and in fact, seemed to dismiss the whole nitrous thing as water under the bridge. Later on, him and KTDW came by, and I offered for them to look at the car. They just kind of looked under the hood, had me pull my air filter element, looked in the wheel wells, etc. But all in all, they just seemed to be there not for their suspicion, but rather as fellow car enthusiasts having fun tuning their car, and trying different things."-HOTROD

[Driver72]

Ah, this is what Warren said, "When I finally found him, I was rather astonished how non-confrontational he was. He was very pleasant, and in fact, seemed to dismiss the whole nitrous thing as water under the bridge. Later on, him and KTDW came by, and I offered for them to look at the car. They just kind of looked under the hood, had me pull my air filter element, looked in the wheel wells, etc.

He no longer has that sedan anyway.
About a week later he turned it in and got yet another 335i, this time a left over 2008 sedan to compliment his 2008 Coupe.

So that barnburner 335i is out their for someone to pick up.

[Driver72]

Ah ILum beat me to the quote by a few seconds.
Anyway, it seems it was a mini inspection, but an inspection nonetheless and the opportunity for a full inspection was present.
If Warren was hiding nitrous or any other mod, I don't think he'd of opened up the opportunity for anybody to fully inspect his car after pulling a 11.99 @ 117.5 mph run on the tune, race gas and DR's only.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Ah ILum beat me to the quote by a few seconds.
Anyway, it seems it was a mini inspection, but an inspection nonetheless and the opportunity for a full inspection was present.
If Warren was hiding nitrous or any other mod, I don't think he'd of opened up the opportunity for anybody to fully inspect his car after pulling a 11.99 @ 117.5 mph run on the tune, race gas and DR's only.

What's a mini inspection? Either you do a full inspection which requires bumper and splash pan removal or you don't. There is no half way. Simple as that.

Shiv

[5soko]

So wait, did what HOTROD say which was quoted above true? Then Shiv why would you even waste your time? knowing there wouldn't be a valid inspection in your eyes?

This part also gets me, "...had me pull my air filter element...". Sounds like you asked for the element to be pulled?

Just want to clear things up since it never was exactly cleared.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

So wait, did what HOTROD say which was quoted above true? Then Shiv why would you even waste your time? knowing there wouldn't be a valid inspection in your eyes?

This part also gets me, "...had me pull my air filter element...". Sounds like you asked for the element to be pulled?

Just want to clear things up since it never was exactly cleared.

Clearly you read into it a bit more than you should have. I was there testing with a customer. Warren was also there, much to our surprise. We went over to the other side of the paddock to say "Hi" to him. His hood was open. I asked him what drop in filter he is using. He showed me. I showed him how to modify his airbox for less restriction. And then explained to him what is involved in a tech inspection and why I invited him over to MD Automotive the previous weekend. And then we talked a bit about tire pressures. Maybe about the weather too. That's pretty much it. The whole meeting lasted about 5 minutes. Nice guy. But no where during that span of time was a tech inspection done. Looking at the engine bay from above doesn't show you anything worth looking at.

Shiv

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Kind of OT here, but kind of relative.
I'm sure you guys know "Sticky" on the M3post.
He's the guy over there that constantly bashes 335i's.
I never heard of him before I posted over there asking if any M3's wanted to join us at the West Coast Dyno Day I organized last month.

He b1tched and moaned and basically berated 335i owners.

I occasionally check out the M3 post because, well I love M3's too.
But it gets old seeing so many of his posts talking down on the 335i and many are misinformed and ignorant posts regarding the 335i anyway.

Well as you all know he raced Kpari09 with his modded e92 M3 with DCT (at the time making 370 rwhp) when Kpari09 was on the weak RD Sport Black box which makes about 320 rwhp.
So of course Sticky won and then talked so much crap about 335i's it was nauseating.
He recently posted that a tuned 335i has troubles keeping up with a STOCK e92 M3.

Ironically the week AFTER this December 6th Famoso event he went to a private track day at Famoso with his modded M3.
He's got a new tune now (and is estimating 380 rwhp but will have it dynoed again soon) and was on Drag Radials.

Guess what?
His best run was a 12.196 @ 115.1

I posted Warren's time of 12.191 @ 116.3 on just a $650 tune, race gas and DR's.
One guy called BS already, but I posted that Shiv inspected the car and then Warren went to Sacramento the following weekend and did 11.99 @ 117.5

I told them his car is abnormally fast and that most 335i's on that same map, gas would probably trap in the 115-116 range however.

I wonder if Sticky is still going to continue to talk all the trash of how the "lowly" 335i can't keep up with the M3. Maybe he'll realize that we are all enthusiasts and car lovers and get off his high perch he thinks he's on and grow up and give other cars, including the car his beloved M3 is based on some love and respect.

Peace and cheers.

I hope Stinky, Icky-Sticky, whatever his name is sees your post.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by sflgator

I hope Stinky, Icky-Sticky, whatever his name is sees your post.

I posted Warren's and others results in his 12.1 @ 115 mph thread over there.
He's decisively less argumentative and 335i bashing now.
Stating, "I intend to beat the 335/135 times on a naturally aspirated motor and on pump gas, that should open some eyes"

If that's not saying he now accepts the 335i/135i are faster than his car (even the fact he has 30 rwhp in mods) and other M3's I don't know what is.
In an earlier post he wrote, "tuned 335i can barely keep up with stock M3's"
I think he might think differently now.
I posted the video of the guy with PROcede v2, DP's and exhaust that pulled 1.5 CL's on his buddies e92 M3 with DCT, even after the M3 got a 1/2 CL jump.

He did not respond to that.


Sorry Shiv, but I was going on Warren's report.
So do you think he was on spray that day at Sacramento then?
Seems his 08 Coupe is not far off the pace of his well broken in and strong running 07 sedan though.
I think he's VBox'ed the Coupe with same map and gas and it's only about 1 mph behind the sedan.
I have to admit, seems like a lot of work for Warren to drive 400 miles in each direction to run at Sacramento on spray, offer you up the inspection then drive back, then remove the spray and turn in the car the following week.

I do know his sedan was a very strong runner and the times he got he could of gotten on either JB3 or v3 on 104 Octane and pushing 16-16.5 psi boost. His car was just that strong.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Kind of OT here, but kind of relative.
I'm sure you guys know "Sticky" on the M3post.
He's the guy over there that constantly bashes 335i's.
I never heard of him before I posted over there asking if any M3's wanted to join us at the West Coast Dyno Day I organized last month.

He b1tched and moaned and basically berated 335i owners.

I occasionally check out the M3 post because, well I love M3's too.
But it gets old seeing so many of his posts talking down on the 335i and many are misinformed and ignorant posts regarding the 335i anyway.

Well as you all know he raced Kpari09 with his modded e92 M3 with DCT (at the time making 370 rwhp) when Kpari09 was on the weak RD Sport Black box which makes about 320 rwhp.
So of course Sticky won and then talked so much crap about 335i's it was nauseating.
He recently posted that a tuned 335i has troubles keeping up with a STOCK e92 M3.

Ironically the week AFTER this December 6th Famoso event he went to a private track day at Famoso with his modded M3.
He's got a new tune now (and is estimating 380 rwhp but will have it dynoed again soon) and was on Drag Radials.

Guess what?
His best run was a 12.196 @ 115.1

I posted Warren's time of 12.191 @ 116.3 on just a $650 tune, race gas and DR's.
One guy called BS already, but I posted that Shiv inspected the car and then Warren went to Sacramento the following weekend and did 11.99 @ 117.5

I told them his car is abnormally fast and that most 335i's on that same map, gas would probably trap in the 115-116 range however.

I wonder if Sticky is still going to continue to talk all the trash of how the "lowly" 335i can't keep up with the M3. Maybe he'll realize that we are all enthusiasts and car lovers and get off his high perch he thinks he's on and grow up and give other cars, including the car his beloved M3 is based on some love and respect.

Peace and cheers.

Sticky ran on the same day that I went to Sacramento. That was the same Famoso event that Terry ran over 120mph in his 135i. They are going to have another private event next month (sold out) that Sticky is scheduled to attend. He feels he should be able to get into the 11's. I was impressed by his times, but I don't know exactly what his mods are. I believe underdrive pulley, tires, gas, exhaust, etc. I'm sure the exhaust cost several times more than my JB3!!

Also, the sedan never had any nitrous. I thought this was a dead horse already. I mean, clem, and other 335i BMWs with not much more than tunes have been running 116+mph. No one questioned or demanded inspections on their cars. It all makes sense to me. Nothing to be surprised at. Infact two days after I qot back from Sacramento, I already removed the tune and traded the car in for a new 335i sedan. Believe me, that car was as stock as a tuned car running in the 11's could be.

I may be taking my coupe this weekend to Sacramento if there isn't rain in the forecast. My preliminary testing puts the coupe at 1-1.5mph slower than the sedan. So if I can get 116mph at Sacramento I will be happy. Even more importantly, if I can get traction, there is still a possibility of running in the 11's. And again, for what its worth, if you can prove I ever used nitrous in any of my BMWs, previous or current, I will write you a check for $10,000 on the spot. Hope that "sweetens" the deal a little.

And again, since people are reading this thread. I invite, and hope some other 335i BMW running a variety of other tunes will show up. That would be cool to see how they run against my tuned..."very stock" 08 Coupe. Test and tune is only $50, and runs from 12pm-4pm. Lets have some other BMWs help to represent!

FYI. There is a waiting list for the Famoso event Sticky is planning on attending, but its also $250/car!

[BALLAJL15]

I will be at Sacramento raceway on January 3rd.
Hope you can make it out Warren it would be fun to run your other 335i
with a much better race tune

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Sticky ran on the same day that I went to Sacramento. That was the same Famoso event that Terry ran over 120mph in his 135i. They are going to have another private event next month (sold out) that Sticky is scheduled to attend. He feels he should be able to get into the 11's. I was impressed by his times, but I don't know exactly what his mods are. I believe underdrive pulley, tires, gas, exhaust, etc. I'm sure the exhaust cost several times more than my JB3!!

Also, the sedan never had any nitrous. I thought this was a dead horse already. I mean, clem, and other 335i BMWs with not much more than tunes have been running 116+mph. No one questioned or demanded inspections on their cars. It all makes sense to me. Nothing to be surprised at. Infact two days after I qot back from Sacramento, I already removed the tune and traded the car in for a new 335i sedan. Believe me, that car was as stock as a tuned car running in the 11's could be.

I may be taking my coupe this weekend to Sacramento if there isn't rain in the forecast. My preliminary testing puts the coupe at 1-1.5mph slower than the sedan. So if I can get 116mph at Sacramento I will be happy. Even more importantly, if I can get traction, there is still a possibility of running in the 11's. And again, for what its worth, if you can prove I ever used nitrous in any of my BMWs, previous or current, I will write you a check for $10,000 on the spot. Hope that "sweetens" the deal a little.

And again, since people are reading this thread. I invite, and hope some other 335i BMW running a variety of other tunes will show up. That would be cool to see how they run against my tuned..."very stock" 08 Coupe. Test and tune is only $50, and runs from 12pm-4pm. Lets have some other BMWs help to represent!

FYI. There is a waiting list for the Famoso event Sticky is planning on attending, but its also $250/car!

Warren are you addressing this post to me?
I think you know I know you weren't running any nitrous or anything (other than tune and race gas and DR's) and was supporting your runs and times.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Warren are you addressing this post to me?
I think you know I know you weren't running any nitrous or anything (other than tune and race gas and DR's) and was supporting your runs and times.

No, just confirming your observations. And as I said, the car wasn't traded in a week later, it was less than a day and a half later of running in the 11's. Didn't have to do anything but remove the tune and put the stock RFTs on!

I was driving the coupe around tonight on 100 octane. Seems like it is running faster and faster too. I just loved the low key, civilian look of the sedan though! Picked up some race gas tonight for Sacramento, but couldn't really get the kind I wanted. (They only had Sunoco in stock).

Well, again, I hope at least some people from Northern California will come up with their 335i BMW this weekend! Aren't there any tuner customers in Sacramento?? Oh well, I just hope someone doesn't crash and take out the timing light again! With the last visit I ran 12.076 on my daily driver NIttos. This time, I am going to bolt the ET Streets right on, for the first runs, when the track is still fresh. Hopefully this will bring me close to the 11's, even though my MPH may be down 1.5mph or so. Like I said, I am hoping to do a 116mph run, hopefully in the 11's ! You can run in the 11's doing 114mph...all it takes is TRACTION!

Also, with the M3 barely doing better than a 12.2 at 115mph. He has quite a bit to go before he hits 117.5mph like I did. So I would be the first to congratulate him for being the first E92 M3 in the 11's if he pulls it off. In my opinion, if he is running the EXACT same setup that he did the other week...I don't think he will attain his goal.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

No, just confirming your observations. And as I said, the car wasn't traded in a week later, it was less than a day and a half later of running in the 11's. Didn't have to do anything but remove the tune and put the stock RFTs on!

I was driving the coupe around tonight on 100 octane. Seems like it is running faster and faster too. I just loved the low key, civilian look of the sedan though! Picked up some race gas tonight for Sacramento, but couldn't really get the kind I wanted. (They only had Sunoco in stock).

Well, again, I hope at least some people from Northern California will come up with their 335i BMW this weekend! Aren't there any tuner customers in Sacramento?? Oh well, I just hope someone doesn't crash and take out the timing light again! With the last visit I ran 12.076 on my daily driver NIttos. This time, I am going to bolt the ET Streets right on, for the first runs, when the track is still fresh. Hopefully this will bring me close to the 11's, even though my MPH may be down 1.5mph or so. Like I said, I am hoping to do a 116mph run, hopefully in the 11's ! You can run in the 11's doing 114mph...all it takes is TRACTION!

Also, with the M3 barely doing better than a 12.2 at 115mph. He has quite a bit to go before he hits 117.5mph like I did. So I would be the first to congratulate him for being the first E92 M3 in the 11's if he pulls it off. In my opinion, if he is running the EXACT same setup that he did the other week...I don't think he will attain his goal.

OK thanks.
My guess is Sticky will show up this next time with pretty much pure race gas. He's mentioned things of "new tune" and will probably also figure out a way to remove some weight from the car.
The question is, will he admit to the true octane of his car, will he admit to any weight removal (if it's possible in the M3) and what else will he do in the meantime.
He is apparently installing 3.62 gears in the car, which is significantly lower than the 3.15 that is stock for the DCT.
But whether he'll have them in by Jan 3rd drag day only he knows.