[bandido]

Originally Posted by TheTwinz

wheres the VTEC picture? hotrod runs a mixture of propane, ethanol, methanol, toluene, hexane, heptane, octane, menthol lights, in his tank... you can't see it because he drinks it first, then pisses it into his gas tank.

hehe, liquefied propane bad for the pisser-brrrr

I know Warren rules and his times are amazing, but I want to know how I can get similar power...On N54 this was discussed and here is Terry's response

Here is the info from Terry

"The JB3 has software and hardware "over boost" protection built in. On the software front, we limit how much solenid offset the JB3 can induce per a given boost target (other systems have this as user adjustable, on the JB3 we set it per map). As a back stop safety we also have a hardware limit built in, in the form of two 24 ohm resistors. The two combine to prevent run away boost spikes, spinning the compressors to the moon, etc.

We allow more than enough duty cycle for say 15psi stock, or 16-17psi with mods, with reasonable duty cycle. But when you try to pump too much boost through a car with not enough mods, you need to close the wastegates more. Most reasonable people would just lower the boost or add more modifications. But some crazy people like Warren just ask us to change the safety limit. In this case we replaced his 24ohm resistors for 18ohm resistors to prevent the underboost limp he would otherwise have running 16-17psi on a 100% stock motor."

Please discuss the effects this has on safety, does this have any effect on his awesome times? Is this why his numbers are hard to duplicate?

thanks for any info...

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Hey Drew, did you get a video of Driver 72 running the Procede coupe through the 1/4 mile, vs my car running the 1/4 mile against the Procede coupe? I would really like to see what the difference is. I think Driver said he pulled the other 335i by maybe a couple car lengths, how did that compare to my run?

You know, I am going to try to dial up a couple of maps and see how that affects my traps. I'm very curious. It might not help at all, more boost is not always better. My boost today was pretty tame.

Here is Mote and Driver72, very close, but remember Mote said he was dead even with a modded JB3 car a few months ago both on 91, and he ran another one as well, that he was dead even with.

Driver72 did very well here considering the the mods and octane difference, nice job Bro! Mote's car is still very quick, and the dude is just flat out cool!

...and here's Mote running Hotrod

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[TheTwinz]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Here is Mote and Driver72, very close, but remember Mote said he was dead even with a modded JB3 car a few months ago both on 91, and he ran another one as well, that he was dead even with.

Driver72 did very well here considering the the mods and octane difference, nice job Bro! Mote's car is still very quick, and the dude is just flat out cool!

You filmed that in Mexico? How far from the border is that long street? and are there no other cars around that time? Are there no speed limits? that looks like a nice place to do testing.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Here is Mote and Driver72, very close, but remember Mote said he was dead even with a modded JB3 car a few months ago both on 91, and he ran another one as well, that he was dead even with.

Driver72 did very well here considering the the mods and octane difference, nice job Bro! Mote's car is still very quick, and the dude is just flat out cool!

Looks very close; nice run, guys!!! It appears that Mote has a couple more power mods than Driver72 and it's quite the driver's race.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Looks very close; nice run, guys!!! It appears that Mote has a couple more power mods than Driver72 and it's quite the driver's race.

Thanks Bro, agreed those runs with Driver72 and Mote were close. I updated that post with Hotrod's runs against Mote, as you can see I completely agree with you, Hotrods' car is a beast!

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by bandido

hehe, liquefied propane bad for the pisser-brrrr

I know Warren rules and his times are amazing, but I want to know how I can get similar power...On N54 this was discussed and here is Terry's response

Here is the info from Terry

"The JB3 has software and hardware "over boost" protection built in. On the software front, we limit how much solenid offset the JB3 can induce per a given boost target (other systems have this as user adjustable, on the JB3 we set it per map). As a back stop safety we also have a hardware limit built in, in the form of two 24 ohm resistors. The two combine to prevent run away boost spikes, spinning the compressors to the moon, etc.

We allow more than enough duty cycle for say 15psi stock, or 16-17psi with mods, with reasonable duty cycle. But when you try to pump too much boost through a car with not enough mods, you need to close the wastegates more. Most reasonable people would just lower the boost or add more modifications. But some crazy people like Warren just ask us to change the safety limit. In this case we replaced his 24ohm resistors for 18ohm resistors to prevent the underboost limp he would otherwise have running 16-17psi on a 100% stock motor."

Please discuss the effects this has on safety, does this have any effect on his awesome times? Is this why his numbers are hard to duplicate?

thanks for any info...

My runs were on the regular customer map #9, Traps today were 117.7-118.0mph. Later on I decided to test on Map C which is designed for my upgraded board. Traps were 118.0-118.3mph. Might not seem like much, but this was with terrible traction even on the Hoosiers, and backpedling on the throttle and having the trans mis-shift....I took a video so you can better analyze.You can also see peak boost PSI is still high 16's. Now with the terrible launch/traction, the trap speed improvement would probably be more evident in the roll ons like we did today. You can see how fast it pulls from 100-120 in the video

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Thanks Bro, agreed those runs with Driver72 and Mote were close. I updated that post with Hotrod's runs against Mote, as you can see I completely agree with you, Hotrods' car is a beast!

Thanks for the video Drew. I think people can more clearly see the difference with your ultra informative videos!

[gian335]

holy hot rod..........but from what terry posted about the whole 24 vs 18 ohm resistors in his jb3. I believe that it does have something to do with how well his car is running. Does this mean that hot rod's car is that fast because of 18ohm resistors?

I don't think so, but there may be some good improvements on how his car performs. Also the type of mapping of the motor comes into play as a major factor.

[TMR]

damn... hotrods car is sick. How much boost are you running? How much boost at say 6500rpm?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by gian335

holy hot rod..........but from what terry posted about the whole 24 vs 18 ohm resistors in his jb3. I believe that it does have something to do with how well his car is running. Does this mean that hot rod's car is that fast because of 18ohm resistors?

I don't think so, but there may be some good improvements on how his car performs. Also the type of mapping of the motor comes into play as a major factor.

No, I have been getting these kind of traps in Vbox testing long before the resistors. These resistors were just installed last month before my trip to Sacramento.

This 118.3mph trap would definitely be over 119mph if I could apply heavy throttle in 1st and most of 2nd gear.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by TMR

damn... hotrods car is sick. How much boost are you running? How much boost at say 6500rpm?

Depends on the gear, but it looks like anywhere from 13.5psi to around 16psi.

[TMR]

say in 3rd gear and 4th gear from 6K to 7K... what is your boost like. I noticed my boost tapers pretty hard from 6K to 7K and if you are holding 15+psi up top it could definitely be an improvement on your MPH.

[gian335]

I know that dynoing is not your thing hot rod, but i would love 2 c ur car get on one, thats 4sure

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by gian335

I know that dynoing is not your thing hot rod, but i would love 2 c ur car get on one, thats 4sure

Well from what I have been told, my car should be making around 360-370RWHP?

[roozie2001]

hotrod out of all your cars you have i'd love to check out that 87 grand national. is it stock? any vids of that? Sorry OP not tryin to treadjack.

[Bomis]

Hi Guys!

If you are interested I can inform you that the two jb3 1,3(99 octan) cars at the swedish event both won against two proceede v3 cars (stage 3, 90% with 99 octan) , and all these cars ar heavely modded besides the piggybacks...

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Well from what I have been told, my car should be making around 360-370RWHP?

not if your trapping 117mph+

otherwise a lot of the users on this board would be trapping that high or higher it seems.

I dont know if its your weight reductions or your tune, but your car is obviously faster than 99.9% of the 335's running the "same" mods.


get it dyno'd

[thegeneral101]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

no kiddin those m3's are getting fast.Im starting to be afraid of them...lol. unless I know they are stock. I havent lost to one yet probably wont stay that way.

haha same thing in Miami, the damn supercharged M3 are popping up and those RS46 ones

[FotiosF90M5]

from what i see so far it seems the jb3 is a tad faster minus hotrod's crazy fast 335i...lol (a lot faster). I wonder whats holding procede back. this latest update is nice and fast. i guess I gotta try them both again.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

Id like to try it someday but it will be a pain. I love my procede right now. I had a lot of issues with my jb3 I wonder if a lot of it has been sorted out.

you must be one of the very few people who had any JB3 problems... was it your install?
was it a beta map u were running ??

[midlife]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Now that the tuner are here . . .

fixed

[**335i**]

nice videos, looks like jb3 smokes vishnu or how

[midlife]

Originally Posted by fotios335i

for me, Procede is my tune because I love the new features.I really want to try the jb3 in its current state to see how much it has improved drivability and power wise. Im just itching to try it for a week or so and do some solid comparing on my car. Its interesting to feel the differences and how each product tunes the car differently. Its been too long and I cant give a real opinion anymore because both tunes have evolved so much.If jb3 is faster I want to personally feel the difference so I can give my unbiased input to the potential new modders. Its good knowledge and its fun. Im also really getting involved on how my car really is working with the tune. datalogging ftw. N54 owners have it good right now...I must admit.

both tunes are very good imho.
but if you have been away from the JB3 for a while:
1/ JB3 is now very smooth.... maybe that that was one plus for the proceede but a few months ago
2/ with the BMS tuning gauge you can make your own custom maps and switch maps on the fly
3/ with the BT scanner and code reader (cheap btw) you can log ANYTHING you want or need, as well as clear all car codes.

terry and shiv are just pushing each other tune, feature wise, hp, and pricewise... so we all win in the end.

my 2 cents