PROcede CANbus logging/new Data Channels/Safety/etc

addicted2drums · 06-23-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

In dash gauge is in the works. Along with other things. Just doing important tune related functional stuff first. The things you feel Everytime you put your right foot down.

sounds like soon we will have the indash gauges...

creaminz · 06-23-2009, 02:23 AM

this is awesome...honestly I don't need my 3series to be any faster than it is right now with Rev.II 5-29, but all these new features plus safety in mind, just made me feel good about having PROcede. This is just great. You rock Shiv!

TMR · 06-23-2009, 03:22 AM

These features sound awesome, cant wait.

Spike · 06-23-2009, 06:20 AM

that sounds great .... i cant wait for update

great job shiv

jpsimon · 06-23-2009, 09:50 AM

I've been meaning to get back to the dyno! can't wait to fine tune this even more

Grendalf · 06-23-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by creaminz

this is awesome...honestly I don't need my 3series to be any faster than it is right now with Rev.II 5-29, but all these new features plus safety in mind, just made me feel good about having PROcede. This is just great. You rock Shiv!

+1 You really rock! PROcede is becoming a "piggyback++++" , I love the way to develop things, nothing is impossible right !

IMO cracking the CANbus was the most intelligent move to do, time consuming indeed but to be able to access all the data and provide the information in dash with the upcoming update is awesome.

Thank you for your great product Shiv.

Grendalf · 06-23-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by addicted2drums

sounds like soon we will have the indash gauges...

Do you have an anti-lag system on your car ? 11.3 of boost at 800 rpm!

FotiosF90M5 · 06-23-2009, 12:13 PM

now that I have my car working properly its like the first time I tried canbus. Since it came out my car wasnt running right. after a new turbo/wastegate on 1 turbo and an actuator replaced on the other I now know how amazing canbus procede really is. This is the fastest, smoothest, most consistent my car has ever driven. procede is THE best tune for the n54 IMO. keep up the amazing work Shiv.

OpenFlash · 06-23-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Grendalf

+1 You really rock! PROcede is becoming a "piggyback++++" , I love the way to develop things, nothing is impossible right !

IMO cracking the CANbus was the most intelligent move to do, time consuming indeed but to be able to access all the data and provide the information in dash with the upcoming update is awesome.

Thank you for your great product Shiv.

Thanks for the kind words. We set out to make the best N54 tune, bar none. We will never play the more boost game with our customers.

Shiv

Septro · 06-23-2009, 02:54 PM

Sounds like great stuff and hopefully with this type of active logging it will stop the repeated posts of: "What UT value can I run with xxx mod??"

Props for the hard work.

luca335i · 06-23-2009, 02:56 PM

When I drove my bros e92 w/rev2 Canbus st.3. I loved the way it felt down low in comparison w/ my jb3, but it doesn't pull as hard as jb3 in the upper rpm range. Do I need a race map with the procede to get that feeling or should he up the UT? I'm comparing map 6 w/ my jb.

OpenFlash · 06-23-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by luca335i

When I drove my bros e92 w/rev2 Canbus st.3. I loved the way it felt down low in comparison w/ my jb3, but it doesn't pull as hard as jb3 in the upper rpm range. Do I need a race map with the procede to get that feeling or should he up the UT? I'm comparing map 6 w/ my jb.

What you are feeling is the 3-4 degrees of timing regard we induce under full boost with the PROcede. This is for safety and engine smoothness. A Stg 3 car will make 380-390whp on pump gas. Doesn't exactly take a back seat to any other tune in the power department.

Shiv

jpsimon · 06-23-2009, 03:36 PM

you mean 400+ whp on pump gas

Slidewayz · 06-23-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

you mean 400+ whp on pump gas

Yeah, for you lucky sods who get 94 octane at the pump.

scottp999 · 06-23-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by luca335i

When I drove my bros e92 w/rev2 Canbus st.3. I loved the way it felt down low in comparison w/ my jb3, but it doesn't pull as hard as jb3 in the upper rpm range. Do I need a race map with the procede to get that feeling or should he up the UT? I'm comparing map 6 w/ my jb.

Is there a way for you to log both cars to see exactly what the differnces are at say 6k-redline? I'm not familiar with the logging options available to you. Would be a cool thing to do, to verify your feelings about how your car pulls harder up top.

Maybe someone who has both tunes has already made some attempts and drawn independent conclusions?

Sorry for being off topic.

jpsimon · 06-23-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Yeah, for you lucky sods who get 94 octane at the pump.

93 octane for me

jpsimon · 06-23-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scottp999

Is there a way for you to log both cars to see exactly what the differnces are at say 6k-redline? I'm not familiar with the logging options available to you. Would be a cool thing to do, to verify your feelings about how your car pulls harder up top.

Maybe someone who has both tunes has already made some attempts and drawn independent conclusions?

Sorry for being off topic.

see shiv's response:

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What you are feeling is the 3-4 degrees of timing regard we induce under full boost with the PROcede. This is for safety and engine smoothness. A Stg 3 car will make 380-390whp on pump gas. Doesn't exactly take a back seat to any other tune in the power department.

Shiv

scottp999 · 06-23-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

see shiv's response:

I saw it, and have no reason to challenge it, just would be nice to see some customer's logs. Many of us have friends with another tune, some have more than one tune. With all the logging available now, I'm hoping some customers start posting differences they see (Wasn't that something Scalbert was going to be working on?) to clearly show one tune is safer, or better (whatever that means) than the other. Is a tune ensuring it is staying within the efficiency range of the turbos, does one run high boost with high temps and the other does not?

I wish I had some time and another tune to try it all out and post the data.

Slidewayz · 06-23-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

93 octane for me

Yeah, real 93 octane is probably worth 20 WHP over our fake 91 octane!!!

NetVader · 06-23-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Army335xi

Each person has to make their own choice as to whats best for their application... I don't want all out performance (like the JB tune gives) I want the tune that gives me good performance gains but also a safety net for the 'what ifs'

There are many versions of this mapping that have been sold starting with Vishnu 1.0 and each one was sold as safety first marketing. To put this delicately and avoid a war you can now look back and see some versions were safer than others. My point is just because the guy in the infomercial tells his slices and dices while his competitors will leave you with sloppy tomato slices doesn't make it so.

All of the systems are so advanced now you can make the case that the user determines the amount of safety they want. You adjust the power with the settings and maps you pick. The more power you make the less safe it is. Monitoring knock count is great but the damage has already been done at that point. If you had run a lower map in the first place you would not even be worrying about knock. If you read up you will find water temperature and oil temperature are basic safety built in to all tunes, even the SSTT, because of how the ECU indexes boost targets. Plus you have final say over everything with your gas pedal. Maybe not a good idea to race the car around when oil temperature meter is below 140 or above 300?

OpenFlash · 06-23-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NetVader

There are many versions of this mapping that have been sold starting with Vishnu 1.0 and each one was sold as safety first marketing. To put this delicately and avoid a war you can now look back and see some versions were safer than others. My point is just because the guy in the infomercial tells his slices and dices while his competitors will leave you with sloppy tomato slices doesn't make it so.

All of the systems are so advanced now you can make the case that the user determines the amount of safety they want. You adjust the power with the settings and maps you pick. The more power you make the less safe it is. Monitoring knock count is great but the damage has already been done at that point. If you had run a lower map in the first place you would not even be worrying about knock. If you read up you will find water temperature and oil temperature are basic safety built in to all tunes, even the SSTT, because of how the ECU indexes boost targets. Plus you have final say over everything with your gas pedal. Maybe not a good idea to race the car around when oil temperature meter is below 140 or above 300?

Little of what you said makes sense. But that is okay. Just be happy with your tune of choice. Keep up your nonsense and your new account is likely to get banned as well. Tread lightly.

Or better yet, go away.

Shiv

inthemiddle · 06-23-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NetVader

There are many versions of this mapping that have been sold starting with Vishnu 1.0 and each one was sold as safety first marketing. To put this delicately and avoid a war you can now look back and see some versions were safer than others. My point is just because the guy in the infomercial tells his slices and dices while his competitors will leave you with sloppy tomato slices doesn't make it so.

All of the systems are so advanced now you can make the case that the user determines the amount of safety they want. You adjust the power with the settings and maps you pick. The more power you make the less safe it is. Monitoring knock count is great but the damage has already been done at that point. If you had run a lower map in the first place you would not even be worrying about knock. If you read up you will find water temperature and oil temperature are basic safety built in to all tunes, even the SSTT, because of how the ECU indexes boost targets. Plus you have final say over everything with your gas pedal. Maybe not a good idea to race the car around when oil temperature meter is below 140 or above 300?

I liked the previous "go away" comment...

Water and Oil temp built into all tunes because of the ECU ...and your foot... ok.. i'll give you the foot... but the ECU ... any tune that lies to the ECU about boost level is circumventing that safety feature... if the ECU says max of 3 psi boost.. and the tune is doing ECU+X ... then you are NOT getting the safety of the factory ECU...

Shiv is building that in... restoring that bit of safety....

you need to stop over-simplifying and check your "facts"

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06-23-2009, 02:54 PM	#54
Septro Banned 77 Rep 1,649 Posts Drives: '08 e90 335xi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: C-Bus, OH iTrader: (1)	Sounds like great stuff and hopefully with this type of active logging it will stop the repeated posts of: "What UT value can I run with xxx mod??" Props for the hard work.
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06-23-2009, 03:36 PM	#57
jpsimon Team Zissou 3163 Rep 10,200 Posts Drives: 2022 AWD M3 Comp - SMB Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT iTrader: (7)	you mean 400+ whp on pump gas
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