[hotrod182]

That was before DPs, etc. I am now getting consistant 9.4s on 91 octane. With a couple days adaptation on the DPs. I ran 3 runs last night, all very consistant, soft 2nd gear launches, 2.1 60' times.

1/4 mile runs
12.0 @ 122.9 mph
12.0 @ 123.1 mph
12.0 @ 123.2 mph

What amazes me is the 4.3 second 60-100 mph split.

(0-60 3.9 sec, 0-100 8.2 second=4.3 seconds 60-100)

I looked at the Car and Driver and Road and Track tests, I can't even find a Z06 that is that quick from 60-100. (this is the range you might pass someone on the fwy really quick). So perhaps a little more practical than the 130mph runs. Anyways. this is quicker than almost all but the fastest exotics. To give you and idea, the Z06 is rated at 4.7 seconds, the ZR1 is 4.2 seconds.

Craig, can you see what your 60-100 mph times are? Any idea on your 1/4 mile traps you are getting now on the Vbox?

I really believe my car is near the limit now with the heavy, stock cat back, and intercooler set up.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Well that is in different circumstances, elevation, temperature etc. And you are comparing to THE BEST time of Hotrod out of dozens of attempts.

You bring up a good point. The DA really has an effect on the times as well.
Also, race gas, weight, etc...

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Craig, can you see what your 60-100 mph times are? Any idea on your 1/4 mile traps you are getting now on the Vbox?

I haven't done any 1/4 mile testing yet. I'm honestly still trying to find a good road around here. I'm not as fortunate as you with that lovely straight away.
As you can see on the first post, my best 60-100 was 4.39 and that was at aproximately 400 ft above sea level.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

You bring up a good point. The DA really has an effect on the times as well.
Also, race gas, weight, etc...



I haven't done any 1/4 mile testing yet. I'm honestly still trying to find a good road around here. I'm not as fortunate as you with that lovely straight away.
As you can see on the first post, my best 60-100 was 4.39 and that was at aproximately 400 ft above sea level.

4.39 seconds is flying. I don't see how many people could match that! Will need to see some more results out there.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

4.39 seconds is flying. I don't see how many people could match that! Will need to see some more results out there.

Thanks Warren!
I need to work on my shifting skills though.

[Dan335i]

The ZR1 does 0-60 a whole lot quicker than 4.2,i dont know where you got that from.

[Boost Gomez]

Originally Posted by Dan335i

The ZR1 does 0-60 a whole lot quicker than 4.2,i dont know where you got that from.

60-100 of 4.2. There is a lot of good info here Mr. 5 but I think Big Tom did make some relevant points. However, it was not so much as your car underperforming as it was Hotrod's car performing much better than its mods would suggest. I think your car did great, to be honest and to know we can take legitimate supercars with bolt-on mods is an awesome feeling.

[R1000K3]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It really amazes me that you consider Mr.5 car NOT to perform well on the road. Have a look at his car with Giac stage1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eY0O...layer_embedded

Then you say his car is 20 meters behind of Hotrod's car. Well that is in different circumstances, elevation, temperature etc. And you are comparing to THE BEST time of Hotrod out of dozens of attempts. Moreover, comparing to the Hotrod's JB3 car in general, is really the extreme comparison, since his car is driven grazy and it is extremely fast. As a reminder this was Hotrod's first attempt at 60-130mph:

that you can compare to Mr.5's first 60-130mph attempt in this thread: 9.78s.

If you still feel Mr.5 car is slow, have a look at this table and compare his 9.78s to each of the figures below. He beats (easily) Murcielago, GT-R, M5, M6, Modded M3, F430 tuned 996TT...

9.5 - Porsche 997TT
10.06 - 996TT with ECU flash / 1 shift
10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 BMW 135I, JB3 BMS
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2 shifts
10.48 - BMW E60 M5, stock, 2 shifts
10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
10.80 - BMW E92 M3, Bolt Ons, DCT, 3 shifts
10.9 - Lamborghini Murcielago
10.97 - Nissan GT-R
11.02 - BMW RDS46 Stroker E92 M3, 6mt, 2-shifts
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.87 -997 GT3 RS
12.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo
12.1 E55 AMG Stock
12.2 - 996tt stock
12.64 - Stock DCT E92 M3
12.9 - Stock 6MT E92 M3 Coupe
13.7 - Stock E46 M3 (freak car) / 1 shift
14.3 - Stock E39 M5 / 1 shift

Sure looks good, but where does the 60-130 figures for the other car come from, any references ?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

Sure looks good, but where does the 60-130 figures for the other car come from, any references ?

These come from 6 speed on line. That is a forum with more of the high end European exotics. They are really into this testing. You have to do it on a GPS Vbox, and when you are done, send the test file into the moderator who examines it for authenticity, and then once approved, posts the results. That is also how my BMW numbers made the list .

[R1000K3]

Thanks !

[Mr. 5]

Hey guys,
I know that this may not interest that many since people are happy with just putting the Vbox on the windshield, but I found a cable to connect the Vbox to the OEM GPS antenna.
If this works then we will be able to put the Vbox anywhere in the car.
This is a great option for us track junkies since we aren't allowed to have anything stuck to our windshield on road courses.
I'll keep you guys updated.

[dlbrooks18]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

That was before DPs, etc. I am now getting consistant 9.4s on 91 octane. With a couple days adaptation on the DPs. I ran 3 runs last night, all very consistant, soft 2nd gear launches, 2.1 60' times.

1/4 mile runs
12.0 @ 122.9 mph
12.0 @ 123.1 mph
12.0 @ 123.2 mph

What amazes me is the 4.3 second 60-100 mph split.

(0-60 3.9 sec, 0-100 8.2 second=4.3 seconds 60-100)

I looked at the Car and Driver and Road and Track tests, I can't even find a Z06 that is that quick from 60-100. (this is the range you might pass someone on the fwy really quick). So perhaps a little more practical than the 130mph runs. Anyways. this is quicker than almost all but the fastest exotics. To give you and idea, the Z06 is rated at 4.7 seconds, the ZR1 is 4.2 seconds.

Craig, can you see what your 60-100 mph times are? Any idea on your 1/4 mile traps you are getting now on the Vbox?

I really believe my car is near the limit now with the heavy, stock cat back, and intercooler set up.

amazing

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Hey guys,
I know that this may not interest that many since people are happy with just putting the Vbox on the windshield, but I found a cable to connect the Vbox to the OEM GPS antenna.
If this works then we will be able to put the Vbox anywhere in the car.
This is a great option for us track junkies since we aren't allowed to have anything stuck to our windshield on road courses.
I'll keep you guys updated.

I got the cable and hooked it up today and I'm extremely happy!!
I hooked up the OEM antenna to the Vbox and now the signal is A LOT stronger and it's a lot cleaner looking.
I have mine in the glove box now!

If anyone is interested, I may be able to get a group by going on with these cables.

[Htown09]

nice! how hard is it to install? Could you use the regular antenna still if you wanted to use the vbox in another car?

[Hit_Apex]

Please include elevation change (grade) when posting vbox runs. It's the most important parameter to control when making comparisons.

[R1000K3]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I got the cable and hooked it up today and I'm extremely happy!!
I hooked up the OEM antenna to the Vbox and now the signal is A LOT stronger and it's a lot cleaner looking.
I have mine in the glove box now!

If anyone is interested, I may be able to get a group by going on with these cables.

Are you still using the Mr. 5 intake and are you happy with it regarding performance and sound etc. ?

I've now got all the stuff to my intake and will use a smooth 2.5 " hose and direct the intake stud downwards in the air box. I think this is very important, just compare how intake runners in cylinder heads are shaped. Air-flow is severly disturbed if trying to force it over a 90 degree sharp bend. The new solution may (or may not...) remove the performance difference vs. DCI, and in very hot driving conditions it should become on top.

[Big Tom]

I found some old Vbox times from this summer (performed with normal street tyres, on the street with 93 oct):

0-60 mph = 4.45 s
60-130 mph = 10.59 s
60-100 mph = 4.58 s

1/4 Mile MPH = 117.44
1/8 Mile MPH = 94.45

I'm curious to see if meth, some good tyres and a differential may improve the outcome...

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

I found some old Vbox times from this summer (performed with normal street tyres, on the street with 93 oct):

0-60 mph = 4.45 s
60-130 mph = 10.59 s
60-100 mph = 4.58 s

1/4 Mile MPH = 117.44
1/8 Mile MPH = 94.45

I'm curious to see if meth, some good tyres and a differential may improve the outcome...

117.4mph is excellent on pump gas. I think 116 was about my highest on pump. But no engine mods besides tune.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

Are you still using the Mr. 5 intake and are you happy with it regarding performance and sound etc. ?

I've now got all the stuff to my intake and will use a smooth 2.5 " hose and direct the intake stud downwards in the air box. I think this is very important, just compare how intake runners in cylinder heads are shaped. Air-flow is severly disturbed if trying to force it over a 90 degree sharp bend. The new solution may (or may not...) remove the performance difference vs. DCI, and in very hot driving conditions it should become on top.

I'm still running it, but I have a feeling that the DCI may be a better choice for the power that I'm getting right now. It's just that I hate the DCI sound and looks.

BTW, here are pictures of where I tapped into the antenna in the trunk and where I have the Vbox located now (in the glove box).
I have it in the glove box and when I'm doing runs, I put it in the space between the glove box and the center console like in the 3rd and 4th pic.
(The curly wire is for my cell phone so it has nothing to do with the Vbox.)

[Mr. 5]

I trimmed the piece inside the Air box to make it flush.
Maybe this will help with the turbulence.

[jpsimon]

I did a few pulls the other day and hit 4.39 seconds 60-100. This is with 100% non-performance snow tires (as in scary wobbly at speeds over 50-60mph) and with my roof rack, also with a non-ideal map. I was pretty excited with the results considering how heavy my car is and the other variables I mentioned. I'm pretty sure I can easily hit under 4 seconds. These cars MOVE

(on pump 93).

Originally Posted by hotrod182

That was before DPs, etc. I am now getting consistant 9.4s on 91 octane. With a couple days adaptation on the DPs. I ran 3 runs last night, all very consistant, soft 2nd gear launches, 2.1 60' times.

1/4 mile runs
12.0 @ 122.9 mph
12.0 @ 123.1 mph
12.0 @ 123.2 mph

What amazes me is the 4.3 second 60-100 mph split.

(0-60 3.9 sec, 0-100 8.2 second=4.3 seconds 60-100)

I looked at the Car and Driver and Road and Track tests, I can't even find a Z06 that is that quick from 60-100. (this is the range you might pass someone on the fwy really quick). So perhaps a little more practical than the 130mph runs. Anyways. this is quicker than almost all but the fastest exotics. To give you and idea, the Z06 is rated at 4.7 seconds, the ZR1 is 4.2 seconds.

Craig, can you see what your 60-100 mph times are? Any idea on your 1/4 mile traps you are getting now on the Vbox?

I really believe my car is near the limit now with the heavy, stock cat back, and intercooler set up.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

I did a few pulls the other day and hit 4.39 seconds 60-100. This is with 100% non-performance snow tires (as in scary wobbly at speeds over 50-60mph) and with my roof rack, also with a non-ideal map. I was pretty excited with the results considering how heavy my car is and the other variables I mentioned. I'm pretty sure I can easily hit under 4 seconds. These cars MOVE

(on pump 93).

Yah, that's awesome because I'm really happy with my 4.39.
I think it really comes down to a couple things with the 60-100.
1. What diameter of tires were being used?
2. Was the shift done after 100 or before?

The reason why I'm saying this is because you can go to a high performance summer setup and if the tires have a smaller overall diameter, you could get a slower 60-100 time.
My 60-100 was good during the Mr. 5 intake because my shift was done after I hit 100. The reason why my times weren't as good with the DCIs was because my shifts were done before 100.

First Graph was my 9.78 (60-130) with the DCI.
The next graph is with my intake. The second run is my fastest 60-100 time. You can see why in the graph. I must have shifted right at 7k for some reason.

[jpsimon]

I missed one run, apparently my fastest was 4.21 seconds. This was while hovering around 3500rpm's and flooring it. Zero shifts. The cooler weather is definitely on my side though, starting IAT's were right around 50°.. and this was after a few pulls hah

I need to go out and do more of these, they're easy to replicate which is nice.


my winter setup: stock 17" wheels with 205/50 snow tires