What The MSDS, says about The forum's Popular Engine Oils

hun77777 · 01-15-2010, 12:58 PM

on my other thread, i already found out what kind of tranny fluids and diff fluids to get for our car but for diff fluids, i've heard that it has to be done at certain temp. to level it?
anyone has experience?
so for diff fluids service, i need to make another visit to diff place?

Bcube · 01-15-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by raceyBMW

Don't forget Coolant on these cars is considered a lifetime fill as well

even though they still use the same coolant as any other year.

Actually I haven't found the actual or conclusive time on that service. I've seen lifetime, or 50K miles, or 3 years, all from BMW published data.

Bcube · 01-15-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hun77777

on my other thread, i already found out what kind of tranny fluids and diff fluids to get for our car but for diff fluids, i've heard that it has to be done at certain temp. to level it?
anyone has experience?
so for diff fluids service, i need to make another visit to diff place?

The automatic transmission requires that fluid to be at a certain temp for correct fill level.

raceyBMW · 01-15-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcube

The automatic transmission requires that fluid to be at a certain temp for correct fill level.

Correct, no special procedure needed for diff...other than it does not have a drain plug so you need to get something to suck it out from the bottom of the pan, or take off the rear diff cover. Tranny fluid is the trickier one.

hun77777 · 01-15-2010, 09:56 PM

does anyone by anychance to know how many quarts of tranny oil that is needed? 2? 3? or more?

raceyBMW · 01-16-2010, 12:02 AM

Bentley says it holds 9.5 liters...some will be trapped in the torque converter though. I think in one of the other threads the OP said he used ~7liters to fill. It definitely isn't cheap for the fluid.

Turkeybaster115 · 01-16-2010, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hun77777

does anyone by anychance to know how many quarts of tranny oil that is needed? 2? 3? or more?

much?

hun77777 · 01-16-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115

much?

apparantly it didn't show up on mine under transmission fluid refill... i fail...

ManyMoonsAgo · 01-16-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ToadHollow

Every independant BMW shop I have ever visited for any type of service or "tech meeting" has ALWAYS laughed at BMW's "lifetime" fluids etc. Fluids (trans., diff. etc.) are not meant to retain their lubricity for a lifetime and WILL break down. BMW fluids are nothing special .......... yet they would want the vehicle owner to believe they are.

Same here - three independent BMW/Porsche/MB shops in my area and all three absolutely laugh at BMW's maintenance schedule. Lifetime coolant/transmission/differential fluid is just comical.

Two of the shops showed me digital pictures of various 3 and 5 series motors filled with sludge telling me "these are customers who followed BMW's 15,000 mile oil change guidelines".

I personally swapped out to Red Line 5w40 - my car's max. oil temp hovers in the 220 to 230-degree range contrasted against 240 to 250-degree range when running BMW 5W30 oil. When I had the dealer reset my oil change indicator, I provided receipts of the filter and oil and they added it to my car's file. The service advisor's only comment was "that is excellent oil - I bet your engine oil is running cooler which in turn will help out those two puffers".

This is not an endorsement, simply an observation. Do your own homework and make a choice based on that.

hun77777 · 01-20-2010, 07:06 AM

according to this article, RP and RR oils are group 5 which is great performer for shoter period time but not as good as group 4 oils such as amsoil...

http://www.dodgedakotas.com/boards/ot/6432.html

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Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115

SO the BMW LL01+ group 4 oils they make are: INEO MC3 5W30, and Quartz 9000 0W30.

what's your source on this? i was looking for group 4 oils but didn't come across TOTAL mentioned anywhere.

ANYBODY HAS LIST OF GROUP 4 OIL CHOICES?

so far i found, most of amsoil, mobile 1 0w40 (?), german castrol 0w30, some arrinol and Liqui Moly brand oils...

raceyBMW · 01-20-2010, 10:57 AM

Go here:
http://www.rmeuropean.com/bmw-parts.aspx#Category

Search for fluid/motor oil and you can see the motor oils and their approvals. They have a pretty comprehensive list.

Turkeybaster115 · 01-20-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hun77777

what's your source on this? i was looking for group 4 oils but didn't come across TOTAL mentioned anywhere.
ANYBODY HAS LIST OF GROUP 4 OIL CHOICES?

I'm not sure you understand the definition of a group 4 oil. If you did, then you can just look at the MSDS (which is where they have to legally declare the truth) and find the information. There isn't any list, saying, don't by my product so I can loose money. Ask less anoying questions, do more

and then decide for yourself what you want.

742 · 01-20-2010, 12:29 PM

You can have a group IV oil with a crappy additive package. And you can have a well engineered Group III oil that performs very well.

We as consumers have only one hard set of facts, and that is what standards an oil meets.

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hun77777 Brigadier General 199 Rep 4,646 Posts Drives: SG E92 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle WA iTrader: (58)	does anyone by anychance to know how many quarts of tranny oil that is needed? 2? 3? or more? __________________ SGE92TT......................... 12.331 Sec @ 117.89 Mph............................POWERED BY l BMS DCI l HELIX IC l FORGE DVs l RR OCC & CP & SCOOPS l AR 3" DPs l AE QUADs l BLISTEIN PSS10 l P3 VENT GUAGE l VISHNU PROCEDE V5 AUTOTUNE l Lots of Window Stickers
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raceyBMW king of the hills 112 Rep 2,923 Posts Drives: 2011 M3 w/ESS55, 2001 540i/6 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Arvada, CO iTrader: (1) Garage List 2001 BMW 540i/6 [8.17] 1994 530i [9.00] 2007 335i Coupe [8.37]	Go here: http://www.rmeuropean.com/bmw-parts.aspx#Category Search for fluid/motor oil and you can see the motor oils and their approvals. They have a pretty comprehensive list.
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742 Major 13 Rep 1,187 Posts Drives: E90 325i; F10 528i; 2002tii Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: PA iTrader: (0)	You can have a group IV oil with a crappy additive package. And you can have a well engineered Group III oil that performs very well. We as consumers have only one hard set of facts, and that is what standards an oil meets.
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