My car takes 12 min to warm to 170˚

shifterboy45 · 02-10-2010, 12:14 PM

its not really a "turn" --
its called "railroading"

its really not good for your car to sit and idle for a prolonged period of time,
not just based on the environment -- but it can (if done on a consistent basis) minimize the catalytic converters' ability to do its job.

remember, since the car must run through the cold enrichment cycle, this is when the a/f mixture is the richest, so much, there is a secondary air pump which supplies additional air into the exhaust to get the catalyst up to temp.

allowing the car to run for a extended period of time will (if done regularly) have you at the back of the car saying, "why does my exhaust smell so funny" -- and just maybe wind up with issues with the cats...

not saying this will happen with every car, or even your car.. but it does happen, and people do complain about it.. but simple solution is to minimize your idle periods and drive the car till it warms up...

and for the guys that drives 1-5 miles to work.. please drive the car ... or at least change your oil at much shorter intervals than the owners manual or the CBS data indicates.. if the engine never warms up it wont go into closed loop functions -- thats when you start to get some real boost.

cheers

335Caliber · 02-10-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by smack

You could care less huh? What about your children? Your grandchildren? Or your Grandchildrens children? Still care less? Thats the problems with most people in the U.S. Nobody cares unless the outcome directly effects them.

like i said before, it will take thousands of years if anything to feel the effects of global warming. I will know my children grandchildren and hopefully great-grandchildren very well and they will be fine. After that no one will even know me so I could care less, cause I wont know them either. They'll be like, 'didnt' we have like a great grandfather who lived in vegas or something?' "maybe we did but who cares". Then they'll say, "hey do you think he drove a bimma and thats why its so hot here in the year 3010?"......"no, i think it was all china".

RON1X · 02-10-2010, 12:50 PM

it needs to warm up in atlanta! i just installed my procede last night and my drive this morning wouldn't let me open it up... have to wait until later

good to hear that everyone in these colder climates is in the same boat. SoCal is sounding nice right now!

Slidewayz · 02-10-2010, 12:54 PM

Isn't it ironic that it takes so long for the car to warm up, but then it runs hot?

335Caliber · 02-10-2010, 12:55 PM

Oh also make sure you don't write on any paper or sit on any wood furniture because they have to cut trees down, and there is now less trees to absorb the smog from my car idling, so this is just asking for trouble in about 2 billion years. who knows what Mr. BMW jr. jr. jr. jr. jr. jr..............may think about you writing on paper and such and helping destroy his precious ozone

2wheelsrbetter · 02-10-2010, 01:10 PM

glad to hear it takes everyone else as long to warm. i've only seen my temp needle move a few times and i thought that was strange.

meanwhile i get in the acura and temp is up by the time i'm pulling out of the neighborhood...

phazedkid · 02-10-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Isn't it ironic that it takes so long for the car to warm up, but then it runs hot?

+1

That's what i think of every time I wanna gun it, but see my temp gauge still stuck at 160 after good 5 - 10 min of driving.

AltecBX · 02-10-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2wheelsrbetter

glad to hear it takes everyone else as long to warm. i've only seen my temp needle move a few times and i thought that was strange.

meanwhile i get in the acura and temp is up by the time i'm pulling out of the neighborhood...

Yea, whats sup with that. My MDX is up and warm in 3-4 min in this temp.
I wonder if the non-turbo guys have to wait the same time for warm up?

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

Clearly there is a problem as it should only take 11 minutes 58 seconds to reach 170 degrees.

Actually it takes 11 min & 37 sec & sometimes 12 min & 15 sec.

zhangzeyuandss · 02-10-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by i2iSTUDIOS

i don't know, my commute to work is only 1.9 miles, it never warms up enough.

My car usually took about 10 to 15min to get to 120...

Dackz · 02-10-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJKhan85

YOU have OBVIOUSLY never gotten into a car when it's been sitting outside in the single digits or even colder. I don't give a shit about the environment, if it's that cold outside I'd kill baby seals if it made my car's cabin warm up faster.

Im with ya. Anyone that drives a car LESS then something CLEAN like a Prius should NEVER complain about the environment. Its what I hate about the 'weekend warrior' type hippies. They complain about the pollution but they still drive their SUV's. Get a bike, take public transit everywhere, someting of the like and make your house 100% green, then you may procede with your complaints.

Besides that, Im down with whatever it takes to make Colorado tropical, LOL.

BTW, comments were not directed at you DJKhan

JoeyFiasco · 02-10-2010, 02:31 PM

Does it have to be either A or B? I guess you can't care about something outside yourself and still have fun. Nobody was disputing wanting to get inside a warm car in the dead of winter. I turn on the car, turn on the defrosts, blast the heater and get to work scrapping the ice off the windshield.

Diego · 02-10-2010, 05:03 PM

takes me just about that much time to get onto the highway =]

Topless///M · 02-10-2010, 05:37 PM

Oil weight makes a difference IMO. I've run the BMW 5W-30, Mobil 1 5W-30, and now the Mobil 1 0W-40 LL01 and the 0W-40 definitely takes the longest to warm up. I'd say the M1 5w-30 warmed up the quickest and the BMW/Castrol 5W-30 was somewhere in between. At least these were my experiences. They all still take too long when it's cold.

It doesn't help either that we have what? 7.5 qts of oil in our engines compared to other 6 cylinders with like 4 or 5 quarts of oil. I think I'll be running Mobil 1 5w-30 year round as temps never go over 240-245 anyway. That LL01 is for those crazy 15K intervals anyway, I'll stick to the 5K mile intervals. I'd say the 40 weight is good for track use thou....or hot climates.

Zeph · 02-10-2010, 05:37 PM

I live in AL and it still takes a long time to warm up lol... so don't blame the canadians! I agree with Slidewayz how ironic our cars are the slowest to warm up and then the fastest to overheat

The far left tick where it sits at first is what, 160? I usually won't give it more than 1/2 gas and won't go above about 4k rpm's until I come off that first tick. After that I will drive harder but won't all-out "WOT and redline" until it gets atleast 3-4 ticks off the bottom... I guess close to 200F. I know with the new FMIC and using Redline this seems to take even longer. Even after some interstate "racing" I still never see it really get over 240 (2 tickes left of center). I think I saw it hit close to 250 once this summer when it was super hot and humid and I was abusing my car a bit. 6MT with stock oil cooler btw

beepbeep · 02-10-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 2wheelsrbetter

glad to hear it takes everyone else as long to warm. i've only seen my temp needle move a few times and i thought that was strange.

meanwhile i get in the acura and temp is up by the time i'm pulling out of the neighborhood...

That's because you are seeing water temperature in the Accura and oil temperature in the BMW. Porsche has both gauges and the water temp is at normal in two minutes and the oil takes 10 minutes+.
Cheers

335Caliber · 02-11-2010, 01:00 AM

Man, there was chilly dip at the party I went to tonight but I couldn't have any. I thought I might fart and pollute the ozone so I just said no. Didnt even have water cause wasnt sure if it was kosher, plus I was protesting the use of trucks to deliver the water to the store. The trucks are not hybrid and they pollute while delivering all the green products.

I think i'll kill myself now but then I would rot and that would also create a lot of gas and methane and pollute. What the heck can I do.

Oh and I am writing all this while my car is idling...shit

AltecBX · 02-11-2010, 01:15 AM

Dackz · 02-11-2010, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335Caliber

Man, there was chilly dip at the party I went to tonight but I couldn't have any. I thought I might fart and pollute the ozone so I just said no. Didnt even have water cause wasnt sure if it was kosher, plus I was protesting the use of trucks to deliver the water to the store. The trucks are not hybrid and they pollute while delivering all the green products.

I think i'll kill myself now but then I would rot and that would also create a lot of gas and methane and pollute. What the heck can I do.

Oh and I am writing all this while my car is idling...shit

vase330 · 02-11-2010, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

Yea, whats sup with that. My MDX is up and warm in 3-4 min in this temp.
I wonder if the non-turbo guys have to wait the same time for warm up?

Actually it takes 11 min & 37 sec & sometimes 12 min & 15 sec.

My RAV4 also warms up in like 3 minutes too, and I was also wondering why the huge difference with the BMW taking like x5 more time?

AltecBX · 02-11-2010, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vase330

My RAV4 also warms up in like 3 minutes too, and I was also wondering why the huge difference with the BMW taking like x5 more time?

BeepBeep, pretty much answered that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beepbeep

That's because you are seeing water temperature in the Accura and oil temperature in the BMW. Porsche has both gauges and the water temp is at normal in two minutes and the oil takes 10 minutes+.
Cheers

The Acura and Toyota shows the Coolant temperature as oppose to BMW Oil temperature.

Glowin · 02-11-2010, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335Caliber

Man, there was chilly dip at the party I went to tonight but I couldn't have any. I thought I might fart and pollute the ozone so I just said no. Didnt even have water cause wasnt sure if it was kosher, plus I was protesting the use of trucks to deliver the water to the store. The trucks are not hybrid and they pollute while delivering all the green products.

I think i'll kill myself now but then I would rot and that would also create a lot of gas and methane and pollute. What the heck can I do.

Oh and I am writing all this while my car is idling...shit

Aha! Looks like I found my trusty spray! Let's see how many sprays it'll take...

Yardley · 03-14-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Glowin

Aha! Looks like I found my trusty spray! Let's see how many sprays it'll take...

LMFAO!!!!

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shifterboy45 Major 23 Rep 1,179 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Coupe Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North by Northwest iTrader: (0)	international sport its not really a "turn" -- its called "railroading" its really not good for your car to sit and idle for a prolonged period of time, not just based on the environment -- but it can (if done on a consistent basis) minimize the catalytic converters' ability to do its job. remember, since the car must run through the cold enrichment cycle, this is when the a/f mixture is the richest, so much, there is a secondary air pump which supplies additional air into the exhaust to get the catalyst up to temp. allowing the car to run for a extended period of time will (if done regularly) have you at the back of the car saying, "why does my exhaust smell so funny" -- and just maybe wind up with issues with the cats... not saying this will happen with every car, or even your car.. but it does happen, and people do complain about it.. but simple solution is to minimize your idle periods and drive the car till it warms up... and for the guys that drives 1-5 miles to work.. please drive the car ... or at least change your oil at much shorter intervals than the owners manual or the CBS data indicates.. if the engine never warms up it wont go into closed loop functions -- thats when you start to get some real boost. cheers
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335Caliber Private 8 Rep 98 Posts Drives: Pure Power Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	Oh also make sure you don't write on any paper or sit on any wood furniture because they have to cut trees down, and there is now less trees to absorb the smog from my car idling, so this is just asking for trouble in about 2 billion years. who knows what Mr. BMW jr. jr. jr. jr. jr. jr..............may think about you writing on paper and such and helping destroy his precious ozone __________________ JB3 2.0 / AR CAT- DP's / BMS DCI / AMS FMIC / Forge DV's / Etc...
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2wheelsrbetter Lieutenant 33 Rep 516 Posts Drives: hot rod Join Date: May 2009 Location: at the beach iTrader: (10)	glad to hear it takes everyone else as long to warm. i've only seen my temp needle move a few times and i thought that was strange. meanwhile i get in the acura and temp is up by the time i'm pulling out of the neighborhood... __________________ 07 e90 335i 13 mk6 GTI 13 f30 335i
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JoeyFiasco Major 27 Rep 1,211 Posts Drives: '09 Coupe Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: P'boro, UK iTrader: (0)	Does it have to be either A or B? I guess you can't care about something outside yourself and still have fun. Nobody was disputing wanting to get inside a warm car in the dead of winter. I turn on the car, turn on the defrosts, blast the heater and get to work scrapping the ice off the windshield.
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Diego New Member 0 Rep 29 Posts Drives: E90 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	takes me just about that much time to get onto the highway =]
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Topless///M Private First Class 10 Rep 193 Posts Drives: e92 335i 6mt, 94 probe gt Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Jersey iTrader: (0)	Oil weight makes a difference IMO. I've run the BMW 5W-30, Mobil 1 5W-30, and now the Mobil 1 0W-40 LL01 and the 0W-40 definitely takes the longest to warm up. I'd say the M1 5w-30 warmed up the quickest and the BMW/Castrol 5W-30 was somewhere in between. At least these were my experiences. They all still take too long when it's cold. It doesn't help either that we have what? 7.5 qts of oil in our engines compared to other 6 cylinders with like 4 or 5 quarts of oil. I think I'll be running Mobil 1 5w-30 year round as temps never go over 240-245 anyway. That LL01 is for those crazy 15K intervals anyway, I'll stick to the 5K mile intervals. I'd say the 40 weight is good for track use thou....or hot climates. Last edited by Topless///M; 02-10-2010 at 06:18 PM..
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Zeph Major 30 Rep 1,410 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 335i 6MT SGM CR/BD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Southeast USA iTrader: (0)	I live in AL and it still takes a long time to warm up lol... so don't blame the canadians! I agree with Slidewayz how ironic our cars are the slowest to warm up and then the fastest to overheat The far left tick where it sits at first is what, 160? I usually won't give it more than 1/2 gas and won't go above about 4k rpm's until I come off that first tick. After that I will drive harder but won't all-out "WOT and redline" until it gets atleast 3-4 ticks off the bottom... I guess close to 200F. I know with the new FMIC and using Redline this seems to take even longer. Even after some interstate "racing" I still never see it really get over 240 (2 tickes left of center). I think I saw it hit close to 250 once this summer when it was super hot and humid and I was abusing my car a bit. 6MT with stock oil cooler btw
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