[twinturbopg]

yah easily 400...I rmr before the website revamp on vishnutuning they stated:

chip - 390hp
chip + DCI - 400hp
chip + DCI + exhaust - 410hp

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by jale france

400+ hp at the cranck is possible with only DCI ?
What's the différence between STD corrected and SAE corrected ?

SAE is another correction method which usually results in 1-2% lower numbers. Usually STD is what is posted on this forum. However, the most important thing is to be able to compare stock vs. tune on the same dyno, on the same day, which the OP has done to his great credit.

BTW, I liked your avatar. I stole it

Shiv

[jale france]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

SAE is another correction method which usually results in 1-2% lower numbers. Usually STD is what is posted on this forum. However, the most important thing is to be able to compare stock vs. tune on the same dyno, on the same day, which the OP has done to his great credit.

BTW, I liked your avatar. I stole it

Shiv

Ok, 360/370 whp with ic at 200 is great power.
With the ic at 100% and fuel with 93 octane he could have 380whp ?
Please post the log with ".csv" file

No problem for the avatar

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by jale france

Ok, 360/370 whp with ic at 200 is great power.
With the ic at 100% and fuel with 93 octane he could have 380whp ?
Please post the log with ".csv" file

No problem for the avatar

Just to clarify, the ignition correction is already at 100%. The OP read it
without comms between his laptop and the Procede. So it wasn't the real value

[Renus]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Sure you can. Try both stg1 and stg2. And use the one that u like more.

So, the default value of Ignition Correction is 100%, if as Shiv said that we can change it too 200%, or adding slowly from 130, 150, 180 to 200, what will the obvious change could be see by changing from 100%?? Can anyone explain here?

What about the Upshift Softening? The higher value is the best?

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by Renus

So, the default value of Ignition Correction is 100%, if as Shiv said that we can change it too 200%, or adding slowly from 130, 150, 180 to 200, what will the obvious change could be see by changing from 100%?? Can anyone explain here?

What about the Upshift Softening? The higher value is the best?

As you INCREASE the ignition correction percentage, you are telling the Procede to reduce overall ignition timing advance.

As you DECREASE it, you are telling Procede to increase overall ignition timing advance.

At the default value of 100% there is a certain amount of timing correction that the Procede is actively removing from the timing curve in order to prevent engine knock due to the higher boost pressures.....somewhere between 1-3.5 degrees of timing is removed from the stock timing curve.

At a value of 0% ignition correction, the Procede is no longer correcting the timing curve and you will be running stock ignition advance with no intervention by the Procede.

At least that's how I understand it

[BlueLion]

OP:
What DCI are you running?

[cotmfk]

Congrats, man! Great numbers.

[Renus]

Originally Posted by Ilma

As you INCREASE the ignition correction percentage, you are telling the Procede to reduce overall ignition timing advance.

As you DECREASE it, you are telling Procede to increase overall ignition timing advance.

At the default value of 100% there is a certain amount of timing correction that the Procede is actively removing from the timing curve in order to prevent engine knock due to the higher boost pressures.....somewhere between 1-3.5 degrees of timing is removed from the stock timing curve.

At a value of 0% ignition correction, the Procede is no longer correcting the timing curve and you will be running stock ignition advance with no intervention by the Procede.

At least that's how I understand it

So, u mean we can adjust the Ignition Correction value as high as 200%? So, the case can apply to Upshift Softening as well? The higher the value, the faster the car will?

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by Renus

So, u mean we can adjust the Ignition Correction value as high as 200%? So, the case can apply to Upshift Softening as well? The higher the value, the faster the car will?

Yes....you can raise the ignition correction beyond 100% to get even more timing retard.

But I am not sure where the limit is......Shiv could probably answer how high you can go. There must be a point of diminishing returns.

For upshift softening, the higher the number the softer the shift.....but I think there is an upper limit of 50%.

I am running 0% and the default is 30%.

Quite frankly, I don't feel this feature much.

The datalogs show that the throttle plate no longer closes during the upshift process for AT's. So I am not sure what mechanism makes this feature work.

Before V4 - upshift softening controlled the amount of throttle plate closure......but with V3 and earlier versions, the throttle actually closed during the upshift.....not anymore (which is a good thing actually because boost is being controlled in a much better way now).

[Renus]

Thanks for your reply, I do read the explanation from Shiv, but I just thought it is quite contradicted to me, or maybe I can't understand it well, just in a dilenma that should I lower or higher this value =.=

the lower this value the faster the acceleration in upshift event, the larger this value the smoother the upshift is

About the Ignition Correction, as someone on previous has mentioned he has set this value as higher as 200%, therefore, I just wonder it is possible to set higher than 100%, it's seem yes..........

Originally Posted by Ilma

Yes....you can raise the ignition correction beyond 100% to get even more timing retard.

But I am not sure where the limit is......Shiv could probably answer how high you can go. There must be a point of diminishing returns.

For upshift softening, the higher the number the softer the shift.....but I think there is an upper limit of 50%.

I am running 0% and the default is 30%.

Quite frankly, I don't feel this feature much.

The datalogs show that the throttle plate no longer closes during the upshift process for AT's. So I am not sure what mechanism makes this feature work.

Before V4 it controlled the throttle plate......but with V3 and earlier versions, the throttle actually closed during the upshift.....not anymore (which is a good thing actually because boost is being controlled in a much better way now).

[rooster3.0]

Originally Posted by Ilma

As you INCREASE the ignition correction percentage, you are telling the Procede to reduce overall ignition timing advance.

As you DECREASE it, you are telling Procede to increase overall ignition timing advance.

At the default value of 100% there is a certain amount of timing correction that the Procede is actively removing from the timing curve in order to prevent engine knock due to the higher boost pressures.....somewhere between 1-3.5 degrees of timing is removed from the stock timing curve.

At a value of 0% ignition correction, the Procede is no longer correcting the timing curve and you will be running stock ignition advance with no intervention by the Procede.
At least that's how I understand it

With the exception of the bold part, I think you have it backwards. Raising the ignition correction will add in timing, while reducing it will lower the amount of itervention by the PROcede. This is why a value of 0 is considered to be the most aggressive setting and the recommended setting for high octane gas and/or meth. While a value of 200% is considered the safest.

I may be wrong though.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by rooster3.0

With the exception of the bold part, I think you have it backwards. Raising the ignition correction will add in timing, while reducing it will lower the amount of itervention by the PROcede. This is why a value of 0 is considered to be the most aggressive setting and the recommended setting for high octane gas and/or meth. While a value of 200% is considered the safest.

I may be wrong though.

No...raising ignition correction will REDUCE timing (ie subtract more from the stock timing curve) - not add in timing as you state. It adds in timing correction which is actually negative degrees of advance.


With LESS ignition correction by the procede....there is MORE ignition advance...no?

So at a setting of 0% for ignition correction, you will have more overall ignition advance......

Have a look at any of the datalogs that show ignition correction during WOT and you will see negative values which indicate the amount of correction being applied.

[rooster3.0]

I think the PROcede advances ignition to prevent knock. The higher the value of IC, the more advance you get. With it set to 0, it will not advance timing at all.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by rooster3.0

I think the PROcede advances ignition to prevent knock. The higher the value of IC, the more advance you get. With it set to 0, it will not advance timing at all.

No....in order to prevent knock you RETARD ignition timing in degrees before top dead centre.

So the explosion happens under less piston compression and therefore generates less heat......which is what causes the knock/detonation in the first place.

But now you've got me thinking about this!

[Ilma]

If the spark plug normally ignites at 10 degrees BTDC and you then increase boost pressure, that same 10 degrees of timing might result in engine knock.

So to compensate, the spark must now happen later....so you would retard (reduce) the amount of timing advance to say 5 degrees BTDC.

I am calling that timing retard because you reduce the degrees of timing before the piston reaches TDC.....ie you go from 10 degrees to 5 degrees.

So that is LESS advance - with advance meaning degrees before top dead centre.

Yes you are advancing the piston position towards top dead centre, but you are actually reducing the number of relative degrees on the crankshaft as the piston gets closer to the top.

To advance timing is to fire the spark plug sooner or more degrees before top dead center (BTDC). To retard timing is to fire fewer degrees BTDC (for example, moving from 12 degrees BTDC to six degrees BTDC).

Does that make sense?

[rooster3.0]

So I guess we were saying the samething all along. Your post made it seem like you were saying the higher the value of IC(in the PROcede user adjustables), the less timing it will add in.

[Renus]

My dear, I almost can't understand what u say, u r so pro.....

Originally Posted by Ilma

If the spark plug normally ignites at 10 degrees BTDC and you then increase boost pressure, that same 10 degrees of timing might result in engine knock.

So to compensate, the spark must now happen later....so you would retard (reduce) the amount of timing advance to say 5 degrees BTDC.

I am calling that timing retard because you reduce the degrees of timing before the piston reaches TDC.....ie you go from 10 degrees to 5 degrees.

So that is LESS advance - with advance meaning degrees before top dead centre.

Yes you are advancing the piston position towards top dead centre, but you are actually reducing the number of relative degrees on the crankshaft as the piston gets closer to the top.

To advance timing is to fire the spark plug sooner or more degrees before top dead center (BTDC). To retard timing is to fire fewer degrees BTDC (for example, moving from 12 degrees BTDC to six degrees BTDC).

Does that make sense?

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by BlueLion

OP:
What DCI are you running?

Shiv's dual cone (not very clean)
I'M continuing to have great times with my tune almost daily 120+ MPH blasts soooo effortless
I would estimate the top speed after tune to be about 170??

one of these days Ill have to have a friend up ahead so I can try a top speed run!! w/ limiter off Ill have the speed saved on the GPS

at 3 am on way to work using the empty 3 lane highway w/ no shoulders for the police to hide V1 standing guard!

[rbaldwin28]

Default is 100. If you have no detonation you can reduce that number to 80 or 70 to make more power but be careful and data log to be sure you are not getting detonation. If you are running stage 2 or 3 and getting detonation with the default setting of 100 you should raise that number to 120 or 140 to take care of your knock or detonation or ping (all the same thing).You could also go back to stage 1 and begin to lower Ignition corr. from 100 again as long as your data logs are clear of drop outs( ignition retard) This is how I understand this setting and I believe it to be accurate.

[rbaldwin28]

I just filled up with 100 octane from the pump and now I am going to go run stage 2. This thing is so fast I cant even fathom how fast it will be. I'll be back. I have procede V4 DCI and AE downpipe back exhaust for the record. Later.

[rolling18]

Originally Posted by rbaldwin28

I just filled up with 100 octane from the pump and now I am going to go run stage 2. This thing is so fast I cant even fathom how fast it will be. I'll be back. I have procede V4 DCI and AE downpipe back exhaust for the record. Later.

how much was the 100 oct? per gal.???