[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by Backattack

I'll also excuse the fact that you don't know what "stepping" on a car is. If you knew what that meant you wouldn't have taken the time to post what you did. And I agree with the following statements you make.

"inproper breakin, excessive WOT useage" -- BTW, WTF is "Proper WOT?" LOL!
"respect ur car and it will respect u"

BTW, if you take two identical 335i vehicles and drove them spiritedly one with the Vishnu mod, and one without, I can easily guarantee that after X number of miles the Vishnu tuned engine would have a mechanical failure FIRST. And that I can say with undeniable certainty. So all this crap about the car running cooler, etc GIVE ME A BREAK, a Visnhu tuned car will NEVER LAST LONGER THAN a STOCK Vehicle.

PROPER WOT?
thats simple, u have to treat the car as a car with a turbo, specifically allowing a cool off period, installing a turbo timer and the like. theres no issues STEPPING on the car, u just have to treat it correctly after.

the point u make about the stock car lasting longer, it might but only marginally. again i point out that there are plenty of chipped cars with over 100k miles on it, if treated properly the car will last. on the reliabilty, please remeber that stock cars and turbos have failed. ur undeniable certainty is questionable because of the track record of the car so far. but a modified car is a modified car, ur aftermarket components can break, this is not unheard of.

the point i was making is the "damage" tuning would do is MIN; and its going to be hard to disprove that fact. reservations about warranty and the like are again min. why? because the increase in boost is so little that one could call into question the "damage" it would cause.

damage to a modified car usually comes from the user rather than the tuning. thrash a 335i and tuned or not it will break because it has a turbo and it need to be treated with respect.

[fairtex]

You guys are all just speculating right now. There are only a handful of E92's out there, nearly all owned by enthusiasts, wait until the end of next year when we start seeing the 328-335 coupe everywhere, maybe then we will see possible issues may start to arise.

[russ_777]

I have to agree with one point the OP made, that the underlying attitudes of some who are considering this mod involve dishonesty. I don't see how anyone could argue that. One poster suggested that if you have a problem with your engine after the mod is installed, just remove it [XEDE] then take it to the dealer. Anyone with any training in professional ethics (and I do) will tell you that is unethical behavior -- there's not even a gray area to it.

On the suggestion that shiv warranty the engine/vehicle against damage caused by XEDE "like reputable manufacturers do", please. Shiv would have to be an idiot to expose himself to that kind of liability, and he's certainly not an idiot. Requiring that kind of protection from an aftermarket vendor would prevent a product like XEDE from coming to market in the 1st place. And the fact that he doesn't provide that warranty has nothing to do with his reputation.

[Vinobien]

Undeniable certainty. ok, what is the failure mechanism that will occur as a result of the Vishnu mod.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Vinobien

Undeniable certainty. ok, what is the failure mechanism that will occur as a result of the Vishnu mod.

Premature tire wear?

-shiv

[Vinobien]

exactly Shiv - now send me my damn Xede - ha

[hemi to e90]

shiv id love to hear ur input on this

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

shiv id love to hear ur input on this

If we take two 335s. Keep one completely stock and disable the turbos on the other. Which one will have less problems in the long run? I'm guessing that the 200hp 335i will be the last to exhibit some kinds of mechanical wear (clutch wear, tire wear, cv joint wear, transmission noise, differential whine, etc,.). Does that mean we should all disable our turbochargers and run 0psi of boost? If longevity, fuel economy aversion to any form of unnecessary risk is your first priority.... yes. Yank off the vacuum lines going to the wastegate actuators and disable those stinkin' turbos!

If those things aren't a few rungs down on your priority list. Or perhaps things like driver enjoyment are equally weighed, then perhaps you should leave those turbos singing their song. Heck, some crazies may even want that song to be a big more melodious (with XEDE, for instance) and will be willing to accept a slightly quicker wear rate. What's slightly quicker? If you do all your driving on the racetrack, at full throttle, shifting at redline, never taking an unnecessary break, i'd imagine the accelerated wear would be easily measurable. However, if you drive like the rest of us and limit full throttle blasts to a few dozen times a day (several minutes cummulative), I'd imagine that you wouldn't be able to quantify anything whatsoever. In the end, just about every mechanical failure I've seen has been due to driver abuse or extreme operating conditions, not by simply modifying their car. It just so happens that those few extreme users/abusers tend to hobknob within the big and diverse group of people who tend to modify their cars. Those suckers give the rest of us bad names!

just my 2c,
shiv

[jusbechillin]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If we take two 335s. Keep one completely stock and disable the turbos on the other. Which one will have less problems in the long run? I'm guessing that the 200hp 335i will be the last to exhibit some kinds of mechanical wear (clutch wear, tire wear, cv joint wear, transmission noise, differential whine, etc,.). Does that mean we should all disable our turbochargers and run 0psi of boost? If longevity, fuel economy aversion to any form of unnecessary risk is your first priority.... yes. Yank off the vacuum lines going to the wastegate actuators and disable those stinkin' turbos!

If those things aren't a few rungs down on your priority list. Or perhaps things like driver enjoyment are equally weighed, then perhaps you should leave those turbos singing their song. Heck, some crazies may even want that song to be a big more melodious (with XEDE, for instance) and will be willing to accept a slightly quicker wear rate. What's slightly quicker? If you do all your driving on the racetrack, at full throttle, shifting at redline, never taking an unnecessary break, i'd imagine the accelerated wear would be easily measurable. However, if you drive like the rest of us and limit full throttle blasts to a few dozen times a day (several minutes cummulative), I'd imagine that you wouldn't be able to quantify anything whatsoever. In the end, just about every mechanical failure I've seen has been due to driver abuse or extreme operating conditions, not by simply modifying their car. It just so happens that those few extreme users/abusers tend to hobknob within the big and diverse group of people who tend to modify their cars. Those suckers give the rest of us bad names!

just my 2c,
shiv

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If we take two 335s. Keep one completely stock and disable the turbos on the other. Which one will have less problems in the long run? I'm guessing that the 200hp 335i will be the last to exhibit some kinds of mechanical wear (clutch wear, tire wear, cv joint wear, transmission noise, differential whine, etc,.). Does that mean we should all disable our turbochargers and run 0psi of boost? If longevity, fuel economy aversion to any form of unnecessary risk is your first priority.... yes. Yank off the vacuum lines going to the wastegate actuators and disable those stinkin' turbos!

If those things aren't a few rungs down on your priority list. Or perhaps things like driver enjoyment are equally weighed, then perhaps you should leave those turbos singing their song. Heck, some crazies may even want that song to be a big more melodious (with XEDE, for instance) and will be willing to accept a slightly quicker wear rate. What's slightly quicker? If you do all your driving on the racetrack, at full throttle, shifting at redline, never taking an unnecessary break, i'd imagine the accelerated wear would be easily measurable. However, if you drive like the rest of us and limit full throttle blasts to a few dozen times a day (several minutes cummulative), I'd imagine that you wouldn't be able to quantify anything whatsoever. In the end, just about every mechanical failure I've seen has been due to driver abuse or extreme operating conditions, not by simply modifying their car. It just so happens that those few extreme users/abusers tend to hobknob within the big and diverse group of people who tend to modify their cars. Those suckers give the rest of us bad names!

just my 2c,
shiv

everything i was trying to say, only said and explained much better. Thanks shiv

[Jonn335]

I agree,
There is a minority of people who will misuse their car for whatever reason, and it will make no difference if it is modified or not, the car's future well being will suffer. (you can fry the clutch of any car in seconds if you want to) This is why people like to buy a new car, as you have no idea how the previous owners treated their car.
Anyway BMW cars are built to be used hard, and the longevity of their previous models bears this out.
I don't see that a bit of mild tuning can hurt the engine, it has many safety systems built in to make sure you don't 'blow' the engine, and by all accounts it runs cooler anyway.
The thing which tells the real story is the value of the car. is it worth more or less with the exede fitted? I would say more.

[NaViT]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

If we take two 335s. Keep one completely stock and disable the turbos on the other. Which one will have less problems in the long run? I'm guessing that the 200hp 335i will be the last to exhibit some kinds of mechanical wear (clutch wear, tire wear, cv joint wear, transmission noise, differential whine, etc,.). Does that mean we should all disable our turbochargers and run 0psi of boost? If longevity, fuel economy aversion to any form of unnecessary risk is your first priority.... yes. Yank off the vacuum lines going to the wastegate actuators and disable those stinkin' turbos!

If those things aren't a few rungs down on your priority list. Or perhaps things like driver enjoyment are equally weighed, then perhaps you should leave those turbos singing their song. Heck, some crazies may even want that song to be a big more melodious (with XEDE, for instance) and will be willing to accept a slightly quicker wear rate. What's slightly quicker? If you do all your driving on the racetrack, at full throttle, shifting at redline, never taking an unnecessary break, i'd imagine the accelerated wear would be easily measurable. However, if you drive like the rest of us and limit full throttle blasts to a few dozen times a day (several minutes cummulative), I'd imagine that you wouldn't be able to quantify anything whatsoever. In the end, just about every mechanical failure I've seen has been due to driver abuse or extreme operating conditions, not by simply modifying their car. It just so happens that those few extreme users/abusers tend to hobknob within the big and diverse group of people who tend to modify their cars. Those suckers give the rest of us bad names!

just my 2c,
shiv

there you have it, the words form the wise.... this case is closed. The defendant is found... not guilty!

[sstarch1]

Originally Posted by NaViT

there you have it, the words form the wise.... this case is closed. The defendant is found... not guilty!

I plead the 5th.

[ksfrogman]

This will eventually be a 20-page thread.

[StewtheBassman]

Without a single revisit from the troll who posted it Lol!

[herbz]

this isn't even an issue

you beat the shit out of your car - modded or not - it's gonna break

you treat your car nice - modded or not - it will last

to come to the "engine performance" forum where people specifically talk about modding 335i's, and say that modding is dumb and you're gonna break your car is extremely stupid. 1st - no one is gonna break their car unless they're trying to. 2nd - no one is in any position to tell anyone else what they should do with their car.

if you don't like mods, go buy a friggen honda civic hybrid. or better yet, stick to your bone stock, boring ass dime a dozen e46 m3. we don't need you here! thanks!

OP is just jealous that a 335i with nothing but a $1500 engine management program will RIP APART HIS e46 M3. CRY MORE BITCH

[DrDomer]

I think it's more likely you'll see posts siding with the OP who have never modded a car. There's some anxiety about going into the "unknown". Certainly, Shiv seems to have a very good reputation. So far, all the people who have done Xede on 335i's have been happy. Engines are complex (at least to me), and there's worry for car enthusiasts (who aren't mechanics or very knowledgeable about how a turbeo'ed engine works) that their $50,000 baby will break down if they modify it. The OP implies that the people who modify a car will increase the price of the car he buys in the long run (seems to be his chief concern), and I can't imagine more than 1% of 335i owners will modify this car. If 10% of those experience a premature "failure" that costs on average $5000 to repair (a drastic overestimate) then based on current sales figures (~300/mo?) there would be 1 car per month failing because of tuning/modding. Do you really think $5000 per month will even be noticed? BTW, I've never tuned a car in my life, and may never do it. But I certainly don't care if anyone else does, and I hope I can ride with them sometime if I get the chance. In fact, the people who buy 335i's care about performance (and are more likely to be "modders") and certainly help BMW's bottom line more than hurt it! Have a nice day!

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by StewtheBassman

Without a single revisit from the troll who posted it Lol!

Nope. They haven't been back since it was posted. Dropped a turd and left.

[2007/335i/coupe]

I stole money from my grandparents to buy the Xede, is this dishonest?

[OpenFlash]

Karma FTL!

[Chesmu]

KSfrogman's right.....

this thing is gonna be 30 pages long....

I'm having fun just watching form the sidelines, leaning on my 330.

[hemi to e90]

there is no dishonesty in chipping ask some one with a VAG car

pick the less of 2 evils, u or the dealer. i always pick me

anyway tune chip whatever away on ur 335i