[newbieman78]

I don't know what this new board/chip will do for my JB3 and my car. If it doesn't add horsepower, then I don't know if i'll really need it. Its already simple enough for me to update my tune versions via the USB cable. The point of a new board would be to allow us to run a better tune or a more powerful version of it and thus have more horsepower, OR make upgrading easier (which it already is, so why bother), OR better integration with the car components for better monitoring and statistics (could this be the one that will allow integration with the iDrive??? and allow us to do everything via the iDrive screen???)

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Those that want features more advanced than what the JB3 offers today will finally have a BMS upgrade path. I have no idea on pricing, etc, as a lot of things are still to be finalized but I'll update you guys when I know more.

Mike

Originally Posted by rmdvrs

First of all when has Terry ever left any JB users behind. He has been very good at incorporating upgrade policies that are affordable as well as keeping previous versions up and running in order to keep customers happy. .

Originally Posted by alpinedevil335

left behind?? you obviously dont know what your talking about.

Again i'm not trying to argue... but Mike said it himself (and on e90post its as good as terry saying it in my opinion) To get the advanced features you have to get the advanced board... which wont be free. I wasn't attacking BMS, I was simply stating that all Mike is saying that a new board is comming in 3-4 months and it'll cost more to upgrade and the boards on the market today will obviously be inferior.

U guys take everything to heart, I have no loyalty to shiv or terry they dont pay for my car or any damages i do it while modding so I only choose the tune I run based on my experience as to which is better and i've run both.

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by onefastman

Chip burner $65
Data cable $30
G3 $65


How much is it for every procede upgrade?

Serious question, can someone tell me?

I bought a rev II and the only hardware upgrade its had is the can upgrade wire which was free for me and shiv installed it. Otherwise i think it was $10-15 bucks for those who needed to have it shipped to them.

rev I users are a little different but i've owned my proceed for more than a year now with no additional costs to stay up-to-date.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

Again i'm not trying to argue... but Mike said it himself (and on e90post its as good as terry saying it in my opinion) To get the advanced features you have to get the advanced board... which wont be free. I wasn't attacking BMS, I was simply stating that all Mike is saying that a new board is comming in 3-4 months and it'll cost more to upgrade and the boards on the market today will obviously be inferior.

U guys take everything to heart, I have no loyalty to shiv or terry they dont pay for my car or any damages i do it while modding so I only choose the tune I run based on my experience as to which is better and i've run both.

Advanced features, and some people wont need this, nor the data cable for that matter as so many are today. And somehow you know the boards today will be inferior!LOL

The cost thus far for upgrades from BMS from what i seen and been reading throughtout the 3 years hasnt been much at all and most of it basically optional. I think you are mostly stating the obvious, if we want more features, it would only be normal to pay a bit more for it. Some of us will want it and use it, some wont need it, or want/use it.
The price for the JB3 upgrade through the 3 years is NO WHERE NEAR the price that PROcede owners had to ditch out.

[supracg]

Who cares about cost, lets see if BMS is now "upgrading" to something they used to bash; thats the main point here to me

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by supracg

Who cares about cost, lets see if BMS is now "upgrading" to something they used to bash; thats the main point here to me

No it's a leap frog, so it's going to surpass Shiv and Adrian. I hope it's good and then someone can come in an copy it.

I will leave this thread alone now. Peace.

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

Again i'm not trying to argue... but Mike said it himself (and on e90post its as good as terry saying it in my opinion) To get the advanced features you have to get the advanced board... which wont be free. I wasn't attacking BMS, I was simply stating that all Mike is saying that a new board is comming in 3-4 months and it'll cost more to upgrade and the boards on the market today will obviously be inferior.

U guys take everything to heart, I have no loyalty to shiv or terry they dont pay for my car or any damages i do it while modding so I only choose the tune I run based on my experience as to which is better and i've run both.

Not taking it to heart. Your claims of BMS customers being left behind are totatlly false. False statements usually will start arguments, i would chose my words wisely and speak with FACTS if you dont want people to jump all over you.
The majority of BMS customers dont need/want the advanced features, but if they ever do its way more inexpensive to upgrade than if you were a proceed customer and wanted to upgrade your proceed. OH and mike did say that this will only be available to EXISTING customers with the N54 platform. So the Gen 3 board will be around for a while.

[TurboSid]

i guess my choice of words are too strong... to me when something new comes up the law of cause and effect goes into play-

a) the old gets left behind
b) the superior product warrants that the older product is now "inferior"

if it makes u guys happy -

a) procede rev I people got left behind
b) procede rev I is inferior to rev II

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

I got a serious question, does it match what the procede does currently for that cost? No... (and that wasnt a question).

IT SURPASSES IT!

[joyride]

So maybe it will have an autoMap selector like the latest procede...

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

i guess my choice of words are too strong... to me when something new comes up the law of cause and effect goes into play-

a) the old gets left behind
b) the superior product warrants that the older product is now "inferior"

if it makes u guys happy -

a) procede rev I people got left behind
b) procede rev I is inferior to rev II

key word is in bold

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Yea we are losing focus on the point... my bad.

Ill keep watch.

Originally Posted by supracg

Who cares about cost, lets see if BMS is now "upgrading" to something they used to bash; thats the main point here to me

Can you guys find me where BMS/Terry bashed it (being CAN im guessing?), im interested since i couldnt find it, but honestly would like to see it, you can PM me so we can keep this thread on track, thanks alot.

To the rest of you guys, this is something for JB3 owners so please stop cluddering this thread, please. If you have a question/soemthign to say start a new thread please.

Mike, what are the connectors and the chip for? What is going to be changing exactly.

[LeMans335xiE90]

Originally Posted by rmdvrs

First of all when has Terry ever left any JB users behind. He has been very good at incorporating upgrade policies that are affordable as well as keeping previous versions up and running in order to keep customers happy. If I wanted to I could revert back to any JB3 version I want. The same can't be said of Procede. The procede has always been more of an expensive ugrade to "the latest version" or get left behind.

Secondly for people to assume that its just features Procede already has lined up is short sighted. Lets just say he has some stuff in store that will push the competition which in the long run makes us all benefit.

This loyalty to one over the other tune is stupid just like apple vs. droid. If it wasn't for one, the other would't get better and vice versa. It is through competition that products get better not through monopolies.

reading this all i can think was what you wrote... to all JB3/procede owners... if you think this hurts you... YOU ARE AN IDIOT...

carry on

[themyst]

oh geez not again.... I've had both, both make the car faster, one has better software and features and one is cheaper, go with what you like, end of story.

[._.]

BMS, the Meizu of BMW tuning. Let me guess, canbus, autotuning, gauges in the dash? Maybe finally a button on the dash to switch maps?

[boostd92]

I don't have either, and have spent months researching... (probably have read every tuning thread on these forums).

Coming from a background of building and tuning turbo cars for the last 17 years or so, personally, I will choose the system that is employed by the most competent tuner. Bells and whistles are cool, but when it comes down to it, horsepower and safety are ensured by the tuner that has the best grasp of forced induction based EFI, experience in the field, and technical competence.

For me, from reading everything I can on here and N54tuning, and based on my own personal building/tuning experience, it wasn't that hard to figure out who's really on the ball.

[Clap135]

This is a funny joke, bashing for month, and now copying it. It won't surpass anything aside from its current price tag.

[shochu75]

Word on the street is that this new JB upgrade allows your car to transform into megatron

[._.]

Originally Posted by shochu75

Word on the street is that this new JB upgrade allows your car to transform into megatron

It's Terry, of course he can do it. He cured Magic Johnson's HIV.

[alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by r45t4m4n

It's Terry, of course he can do it. He cured Magic Johnson's HIV.

[Javier]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

I CAN see why he might want to update the board.

i saw what you did therereeee

[protium]

Is that a microchip mcu? 64pin?