[Just_me]

This is a complete list of tracktimes from Sportauto. Sportauto is the most fair carmag when comparing laptimes since they always use the same driver.

Nürnburgring
http://germancarzone.com/showpost.php?p=335&postcount=1

Hockenheim
http://germancarzone.com/showpost.ph...48&postcount=1



Source: Sportauto

[IMJUSS2NASTY]

First of all you have no clue if they use the same driver or use a different driver. Secondly, who are you to say who the better driver is. I definitely agree with you that the driver has alot to do with lap times, however you are not one to imply that the 335i has a slower time because of the driver. And noone cares about you keeping up with an m3 in the BMW CCA Driving School. Try keeping up with my 335I in your little x3.

[shimshimhada]

The three of us should race, X3 vs 335i vs 330i.

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by Moderato

I still think it sucks. For 200K more the F430 should be more then 5 seconds faster around the block, let alone a track then either the 335i or the M3. What are the Nurburgring times between all these cars? I bet the F430 is more then 5 seconds faster then the 335i there.

My man, the F430 is a monster. Give it a long straight course and will devastate any oposition car (almost) .

THE FACT IS THIS WAS NOT A "FAST" TRACK!!! There was only one long straight and then some medium and tough curves. The cars should brake and again accelarate fast until the next tough curve.

I PROMISE to post a picture of the track with full details(speed per curve,angles etc) but I'm temporary out of scanner.

[Panoz]

Ok...it looks like many of people reading this post and doesn't own a 335i are in pain and doesn't want to accept that 335i performs that good.
Let me tell you that
-The Nurburgring is more longer than the test track we are talking about that means-> as time & miles passes the difference between the cars becomes bigger and more odvious (if you have to do with different displacement cars)
-The Nurburgring track is a fast-paced track, unlike the track that the test has been taken place. That means that curving - balance & accelaration (while on the move) are important factors for each car performance.
-When you are "racing" on the streets the driving conditions are more similar to a small track than a long fast-track like Nurburgring, as you have also to compete against trafic condintions and curves/turns of the road.

According to this a test in such a track is more realistic for us (the city drivers) if we would like to compare our cars.

[Just_me]

when was this test with rs4 and 335i done. Is this an old issue?


Im curious since a audi fan claim there was something wrong with the Rs4, do they mention this?

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by IMJUSS2NASTY

First of all you have no clue if they use the same driver or use a different driver. Secondly, who are you to say who the better driver is. I definitely agree with you that the driver has alot to do with lap times, however you are not one to imply that the 335i has a slower time because of the driver. And noone cares about you keeping up with an m3 in the BMW CCA Driving School. Try keeping up with my 335I in your little x3.

are you talking to me regarding my post above yours?

Sportauto always use the same driver and his name is Horst von saurma and Sportauto is well-known source around the world.

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by Just_me

when was this test with rs4 and 335i done. Is this an old issue?


Im curious since a audi fan claim there was something wrong with the Rs4, do they mention this?

Not older than 20-25 days. I was actually the first to get this issue on my hands form publishing house.

They mentioned that RS4 had a clutch-problem (i hope i spell it right) but it was fixed a day after from Audi service.

Who tell you so?

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by Panoz

Not older than 20-25 days. I was actually the first to get this issue on my hands form publishing house.

They mentioned that RS4 had a clutch-problem (i hope i spell it right) but it was fixed a day after from Audi service.

Who tell you so?

The laptime for the Rs4 was it done after the clutch-problem were fixed?

this guy:
http://germancarzone.com/showpost.ph...4&postcount=16

[Moderato]

Originally Posted by Panoz

My man, the F430 is a monster. Give it a long straight course and will devastate any oposition car (almost) .

THE FACT IS THIS WAS NOT A "FAST" TRACK!!! There was only one long straight and then some medium and tough curves. The cars should brake and again accelarate fast until the next tough curve.

I PROMISE to post a picture of the track with full details(speed per curve,angles etc) but I'm temporary out of scanner.

Yeah, I pretty much came to that conclusion when I posted this:

Originally Posted by Moderato

So then these numbers are complete B$. I mean let's face it, my wife's Outback is just as fast as a McLaren F1 around my BATHTUB. So what they do is compare these cars on a track which won't have a huge disparity in numbers, making the 335i seem like it's just as fast as an M3, STI, EVO, whatever. That's why I like to look at the Nurburgring times because it's hard to B$ the results with numbers there.

I would like to see a scanned image and more info on that track though.

[2e9x's]

Originally Posted by IMJUSS2NASTY

First of all you have no clue if they use the same driver or use a different driver. Secondly, who are you to say who the better driver is. I definitely agree with you that the driver has alot to do with lap times, however you are not one to imply that the 335i has a slower time because of the driver. And noone cares about you keeping up with an m3 in the BMW CCA Driving School. Try keeping up with my 335I in your little x3.

I was not implying that the 335i is slower because of the driver. I was just mentioning this point to suggest that the car by itself is not the ONLY factor responsible for lap times.

The same driver might have different best lap times depending on a variety of factors within that driver...is it his 1st run of the day or his last? Is he hungry right before lunch or stuffed and sleepy right after lunch?

Track conditions also have a lot to do with lap times too.

All of the bench racing that occurs in this forum is interesting but just that...bench racing.

Frankly, I think the RFT's would account for most of the time difference between the M3 and the 335i. And as I said, I am SO excited about getting my 335i I can hardly contain myself. I think the 335i is a PHENOMINAL car, and that BMW did a great job.

[2e9x's]

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

The three of us should race, X3 vs 335i vs 330i.

Sounds fun to me! You coming to CA any time soon?

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by White05X3

I think the 335i is a PHENOMINAL car, and that BMW did a great job.

YEAAA MAN!!! IT IS...I HAVE ONE OF THOSE ALREADY....TRUST ME !!

[2e9x's]

Originally Posted by Panoz

YEAAA MAN!!! IT IS...I HAVE ONE OF THOSE ALREADY....TRUST ME !!

You have no idea how envious I am! I am going to do ED in July and can hardly wait. The 335i is beautiful, fast... just awesome... I wont even test drive it until right before I leave because it will make the wait harder. I plan to order the titanium grey, grey leather, sport, premium, nav, cold weather, CA and rear sun shade.

I read the posts of those who have their cars with great envy and excitement. The only regret I have about my trip is that I wont have time to hit the Ring again...

Since I do track and auto-x my cars I read articles like the one you posted with great interest. I anticipate the 335i being able to trounce the //M Stock and //M modified guys (except for the instructors) in auto-x. I also anticipate being able to start hunting for FTD (fast time of the day) in my 335i.

Thank you for posting it!

[Panoz]

Stay tuned...i have much more things to post on his very topic soon (like 0-160-0)...that the results are even more awesome.
I just need a scanner

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by Moderato

On PS2 or on Xbox 360? Where are you going with this?

Just information to have on hand when evaluating the credibility of your opinions.

[shimshimhada]

Originally Posted by White05X3

Sounds fun to me! You coming to CA any time soon?

Actually, I am possibly. Maybe during the summer. I want to hit Laguna Seca and Infineon while I'm there, if they have any HPDE. We aren't supposed to race...but if you're in the solo group...

[2e9x's]

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

Actually, I am possibly. Maybe during the summer. I want to hit Laguna Seca and Infineon while I'm there, if they have any HPDE. We aren't supposed to race...but if you're in the solo group...

Cool! If I am able to get up there, and not picking up my 335i, and still own the X3, I might join you. Please let me know when! I have always wanted to drive that track!!!

[Weedo]

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

That's what doesn't make sense. Both the M coupe and EVOVIII are stiffer, lighter, and have better suspension components than the 335.

I'm well aware that it's not a drag-race. If it were a drag-racing situation, I could see the 335i possibly ousting those two.

It's called TORQUE!!! With peak torque starting at 1300rpm coming out of any corner is going to shoot out quicker than most cars that are high strung with peak torque starting much higher. A stock Evo dyno's at roughly 230awhp which is roughly 35hp less than an STi. Torque? Not sure but I would bet the 335 is putting down 50 plus more and all across the board, not just from 4,000rpm to 6,000rpm.

I owned an STi and I can tell you the ONLY spot the STi was quicker than my 335i was from 0-15 and that's only if you drop the clutch at 4,000 plus rpm.

[shimshimhada]

Originally Posted by Weedo

It's called TORQUE!!! With peak torque starting at 1300rpm coming out of any corner is going to shoot out quicker than most cars that are high strung with peak torque starting much higher. A stock Evo dyno's at roughly 230awhp which is roughly 35hp less than an STi. Torque? Not sure but I would bet the 335 is putting down 50 plus more and all across the board, not just from 4,000rpm to 6,000rpm.

I owned an STi and I can tell you the ONLY spot the STi was quicker than my 335i was from 0-15 and that's only if you drop the clutch at 4,000 plus rpm.

I'm full aware of the extra torque, but how is it going to put all those gobs of torque out of a corner exit? With its electronic LSD aka DTC?!

[Weedo]

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

I'm full aware of the extra torque, but how is it going to put all those gobs of torque out of a corner exit? With its electronic LSD aka DTC?!

When you get your 335 to a track, you'll see how easy is...

[Moderato]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

Just information to have on hand when evaluating the credibility of your opinions.

Oh, I get it now. So before I'm able to have an opinion on Mozart I have to be able to play the Sonate fur Klavier D-dur, KV283 by rote, right?