Is your oil catch can REALLY working?

vasillalov · 08-09-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

The hardest thing is to get the square clip off of the PCV. You'll need a few screwdrivers.

Weird... Mine came right off with a slight pressure on the corners of the clip...

rbaldwin28 · 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM

and apart.

The oil and air flows around the white filter at first and is captured in the lower chamber and then only the air can get out by flowing straight up the middle through the filter and out the outlet. Simple but seems effective.

rbaldwin28 · 08-09-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

Weird... Mine came right off with a slight pressure on the corners of the clip...

You may wan't to check to see that your PCV is working properly. Do you have any oil leaks? Maybe you are just not experiencing too much blow by. How much boost? Anyway good luck with that. I have to send this back to AR for another.

vasillalov · 08-10-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rbaldwin28

You may wan't to check to see that your PCV is working properly.

How do I go about checking the PCV system?

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Originally Posted by rbaldwin28

Do you have any oil leaks?

No oil leaks on the ground or anywhere in the engine bay compartment. However, my intercooler piping is leaking oil at the connectors... I've added about 1/2 quart of oil for the past 5000 miles and I am willing to bet that it all went into the intake through the PCV system.

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Originally Posted by rbaldwin28

How much boost?

Stock ECU for now.

Yahoo · 08-12-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

There is just one piece about 1'4 of the length that just hangs in front of the two connectors. It acts more like a splash shield rather than an oil vapor separator. Basically you have 3/4 of the volume of the OCC where air just passes though freely.

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Originally Posted by BSH Speed Shop

3. There is a member saying the mesh only extends ¼ the way down the can, however the truth is there is only ¼ of the can not separated by mesh.

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

If I cut my OCC and show you that there is mesh only 1/4 of the way down sitting suspended like a splash shield, will you refund my money if I provide you of my purchase receipt?

Where are we on this? I don't want to stir things up, however, I have a BSH OCC installed in my car. I purchased it in good faith that the BSH can is a first rate design and would like a little more reassurance that that can is doing its job effectively. The can is collecting some oil, but there is no way of knowing what proportion of the blow by is being caught.

Is there any further info/advice/reassurance available?

vasillalov · 08-12-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoo

Where are we on this?

I've not received any response from BSH so far. I am thinking of doing the following:

1. Thoroughly clean all intake tubing starting with the PCV connection and ending with the intercooler.

2. Drive for a month

3. Report on any oil collected by the OCC or oil coating any of the previously cleaned tubing.

Vasil

Yahoo · 08-12-2010, 05:22 PM

Now that would be an interesting exercise - keep us posted if you go ahead with this.

IlChengis · 08-12-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

I've not received any response from BSH so far. I am thinking of doing the following:

Vasil, that is one heck of a plan. Hopefully you'll find a way to accomplish the same without having to do all that. How about just cleaning the line coming out of the OCC and starting by monitoring that? Ought to save you some time.

On a related note - according to my tracking number - I should be getting my OCC tomorrow. I am amazed at how quickly the guys over @ 42DraftDesigns got that OCC out since it was custom (welded bung with dip stick on their Stealth model).

I'll keep you posted.

-Walter

Forcefed3 · 08-12-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Treppiede

Vasil, that is one heck of a plan. Hopefully you'll find a way to accomplish the same without having to do all that. How about just cleaning the line coming out of the OCC and starting by monitoring that? Ought to save you some time.

On a related note - according to my tracking number - I should be getting my OCC tomorrow. I am amazed at how quickly the guys over @ 42DraftDesigns got that OCC out since it was custom (welded bung with dip stick on their Stealth model).

I'll keep you posted.

-Walter

What kind did you order?

Also, it looks like the OCC would be in the way of a BOV. Could you still put one on with the OCC installed?

vasillalov · 08-12-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Treppiede

Vasil, that is one heck of a plan. Hopefully you'll find a way to accomplish the same without having to do all that. How about just cleaning the line coming out of the OCC and starting by monitoring that? Ought to save you some time.

-Walter

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If the tube coming OUT of the OCC remains clean then we know the OCC is working. If the tube going OUT of the OCC gets wet by oil, then we know its junk.

onefastman · 08-12-2010, 09:38 PM

I saw a ar in person yesterday and it looks 1000 times better than the bsh.

I would not but a bsh over AR

bryce · 08-12-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by onefastman

I saw a ar in person yesterday and it looks 1000 times better than the bsh.

I would not but a bsh over AR

+1 for AR. the mounting location for the can is superior, as well.

Former_Boosted_IS · 08-13-2010, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

I've not received any response from BSH so far. I am thinking of doing the following:

1. Thoroughly clean all intake tubing starting with the PCV connection and ending with the intercooler.

2. Drive for a month

3. Report on any oil collected by the OCC or oil coating any of the previously cleaned tubing.

Vasil

Considering the design has been so effective on other platforms, I am surprised people are so quick to throw BSH under the bus. I looked in my can and my mesh goes about 75% of the way to the bottom of the can which is how the design has been described. Let's give the guys a chance before trashing their reputation. I have yet to ever read anything bad about BSH on any platform.

If the design is proven bad, then it will be time to move on, but there is no data to support that at this point.

IlChengis · 08-13-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

What kind did you order? Also, it looks like the OCC would be in the way of a BOV. Could you still put one on with the OCC installed?

I ordered their "Stealth" model with a custom bung top-welded for dipstick. Since I will be trying to fabricate a bracket, I can pick the spot where I want to install it. I think I will try to place it near the firewall on the passenger side of the engine bay.

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If the tube coming OUT of the OCC remains clean then we know the OCC is working. If the tube going OUT of the OCC gets wet by oil, then we know its junk.

Sorry, for some reason from your post I thought you were going to take apart the entire intake tract and inspect/clean. Just focusing on the OCC-out hose seems like the best idea, please keep us posted if you wind up doing this.

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

If the design is proven bad, then it will be time to move on, but there is no data to support that at this point.

I agree. The BSH is a beautiful can. I just find the price ridiculous. This goes for the 42DD "Ultimate" as well.

Ciao,

-Walter

vasillalov · 08-13-2010, 10:49 AM

^^
Like I said before, I cannot make statements whether their product is junk or not. I know BSH is highly reputable among other car communities. As I stated before, that is the primary reason why I bought their product in the first place!

After receiving my unit though, I have doubts about the effectiveness of its design. Hence, I will be doing the above mentioned test and report the results back here.

Vasil

Forcefed3 · 08-13-2010, 04:13 PM

Is there any benefit of AR driver side mount over passenger side mount?

IlChengis · 08-13-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Is there any benefit of AR driver side mount over passenger side mount?

It's probably just a matter of routing. I haven't taken a good look yet, but from a few diagrams and pics online it seems like the passenger side might result in easier hose routing.

-Walter

IlChengis · 08-13-2010, 07:33 PM

...well, that was quick:

Quality really seems great, I was surprised on how beefy this catch can is, it's twice the size I was expecting.

I'll create a new thread as soon as I find the time to pull the engine cover and start poking around.

Ciao,

-Walter

Daya · 08-14-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Treppiede

It's probably just a matter of routing. I haven't taken a good look yet, but from a few diagrams and pics online it seems like the passenger side might result in easier hose routing.

-Walter

I have a stett CAI so I had to get the passenger side mount

rbaldwin28 · 08-14-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

I was thinking exactly the same thing. If the tube coming OUT of the OCC remains clean then we know the OCC is working. If the tube going OUT of the OCC gets wet by oil, then we know its junk.

+1 I want my intercooler clean and running at its highest efficiency not caked with oil. I just installed a ETS intercooler and planed on installing my AR catch can at the same time so I can keep it clean from day one but AR forgot to thread the holes in the top of the cannister and I can't seem to get a call back. Anyway I would look at the intercooler inlet because that was were my stock unit was most caked. I will check mine when I install the OCC and report back.

Yahoo · 08-14-2010, 04:00 AM

Getting back to the BSH can - I have just measured the depth of the internal metal baffle and it does run from the top of the can to 3/4 of the way down. My thoughts at this stage are that for people that don't like the fact that the bottom 1/4 of the can is open, they can simply fill the can 1/4 full with oil. This will force the blow by to run through the baffle sheet.

Yahoo · 08-15-2010, 08:56 AM

I have had a good look at my BSH catch can today. I have to say that I was impressed with what I found.

On the netative side, I found both the inlet and outlet attachments were pretty loose. I wasn't given the metal clip on the outlet connector to keep it tight, so this was loose. I also found that the inlet connector was loose. This is mainly due to the oil coating on the connectors making it impossible to get a good seal. I used a few zip ties creatively to secure these attachments and all looks fine now.

On the positive side, I had a good look inside the BSH outlet tubing and this was totally dry - absolutely no trace of any oil residue at all. I will continue to monitor the situation, but this was a positive result for me and so far shows the BSH can design to be pretty effective.

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IlChengis once Treppiede 64 Rep 915 Posts Drives: 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Miami and Atlanta iTrader: (4)	...well, that was quick: Quality really seems great, I was surprised on how beefy this catch can is, it's twice the size I was expecting. I'll create a new thread as soon as I find the time to pull the engine cover and start poking around. Ciao, -Walter __________________ 2013 E92 M3 \| 6MT \| AlpWhite \| SilverNovillo \| CarbonTrim \| ZCP \| PremiumPkg \| Alarm 2009 E92 335i \| 6MT \| AlpWhite \| CoralRed \| AlumTrim \| M-Sport \| Nav \| Logic7 \| Alarm (sold to a friend - still in the family)
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Yahoo Captain 44 Rep 822 Posts Drives: 335i e91 LCI msport Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lincolnshire iTrader: (3)	Getting back to the BSH can - I have just measured the depth of the internal metal baffle and it does run from the top of the can to 3/4 of the way down. My thoughts at this stage are that for people that don't like the fact that the bottom 1/4 of the can is open, they can simply fill the can 1/4 full with oil. This will force the blow by to run through the baffle sheet.
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Yahoo Captain 44 Rep 822 Posts Drives: 335i e91 LCI msport Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lincolnshire iTrader: (3)	I have had a good look at my BSH catch can today. I have to say that I was impressed with what I found. On the netative side, I found both the inlet and outlet attachments were pretty loose. I wasn't given the metal clip on the outlet connector to keep it tight, so this was loose. I also found that the inlet connector was loose. This is mainly due to the oil coating on the connectors making it impossible to get a good seal. I used a few zip ties creatively to secure these attachments and all looks fine now. On the positive side, I had a good look inside the BSH outlet tubing and this was totally dry - absolutely no trace of any oil residue at all. I will continue to monitor the situation, but this was a positive result for me and so far shows the BSH can design to be pretty effective.
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