[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Do they plan on going higher wiht the boost for a real race map? I can understand this being a road course map, but not a drag strip map.

As I said in this thread, this Race map is for 91/meth or 100 octane.
Most people that are going to the strip that are getting 11.5 ets and trapping 120 plus aren't doing it on 91/meth. (unless they're going to Sac )
This Race map is not a "melter" map.
I use it for daily driving with 91/meth and as indicated, it peaks at around the mid 16s and tapers to redline.

Yes, if you put in MS109 and use Meth with this tune the power will go up but not even as much as what it would with a piggy. GIAC uses torque targets and from the way I understand it, once those torque targets are met then the engine is satisfied.

I've been bugging them since day one about getting me a drag map (MS109/Meth) and now since the switcher stuff has finally come out then I think we're closer.

I ran a 11.96 at Sac with power like on the dyno on the first page while I was beta testing.
I ran an 11.80 at Famoso with a tad more power than this but that tune was only worked on for a day.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

As I said in this thread, this Race map is for 91/meth or 100 octane.
Most people that are going to the strip that are getting 11.5 ets and trapping 120 plus aren't doing it on 91/meth. (unless they're going to Sac )
This Race map is not a "melter" map.
I use it for daily driving with 91/meth and as indicated, it peaks at around the mid 16s and tapers to redline.

Yes, if you put in MS109 and use Meth with this tune the power will go up but not even as much as what it would with a piggy. GIAC uses torque targets and from the way I understand it, once those torque targets are met then the engine is satisfied.

I've been bugging them since day one about getting me a drag map (MS109/Meth) and now since the switcher stuff has finally come out then I think we're closer.

I ran a 11.96 at Sac with power like on the dyno on the first page while I was beta testing.
I ran an 11.80 at Famoso with a tad more power than this but that tune was only worked on for a day.

How is your meth failsafe implemented being that you are on a flash and not a piggy?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

As I said in this thread, this Race map is for 91/meth or 100 octane.
Most people that are going to the strip that are getting 11.5 ets and trapping 120 plus aren't doing it on 91/meth. (unless they're going to Sac )
This Race map is not a "melter" map.
I use it for daily driving with 91/meth and as indicated, it peaks at around the mid 16s and tapers to redline.

Yes, if you put in MS109 and use Meth with this tune the power will go up but not even as much as what it would with a piggy. GIAC uses torque targets and from the way I understand it, once those torque targets are met then the engine is satisfied.

I've been bugging them since day one about getting me a drag map (MS109/Meth) and now since the switcher stuff has finally come out then I think we're closer.

I ran a 11.96 at Sac with power like on the dyno on the first page while I was beta testing.
I ran an 11.80 at Famoso with a tad more power than this but that tune was only worked on for a day.

Ets dont intest me as It is simply proof that you have traction. MPH intrests me more. Like I said, stage 2 plus seems like a great road coarse maps and probably suits you being that you seem to be doing more and more road events. However, not too many people do this type of racing, I agree and feel like GIAC would make a better presence in the n54 crowd if they release an all out race map to give the jb3/v4 a run for its money on the strip.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by Clap135

... if they release an all out race map to give the jb3/v4 a run for its money on the strip.

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. BMWs are not made for the drag strip. Quit mutilating euro cars by trying to make them muscle cars! Enough is enough!

If you want your car to be a "sledge hammer" then go purchase a small block chevy and run alcohol in it. Then take that to the drag strip.

If you want a luxury "sledge hammer" then go buy a Cadilac CTS in a flavor of your choice.

All of you people who are nagging about GIAC being conservative and not delivering the highest HP/TQ number, you should be ashamed of yourselves as you apparently do not get the point of tuning european cars... Its about driveablity and consistency of performance in various conditions and road courses, not a 1/4 mile run down a flat, leveled surface...

[themyst]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. BMWs are not made for the drag strip. Quit mutilating euro cars by trying to make them muscle cars! Enough is enough!

If you want your car to be a "sledge hammer" then go purchase a small block chevy and run alcohol in it. Then take that to the drag strip.

If you want a luxury "sledge hammer" then go buy a Cadilac CTS in a flavor of your choice.

All of you people who are nagging about GIAC being conservative and not delivering the highest HP/TQ number, you should be ashamed of yourselves as you apparently do not get the point of tuning european cars... Its about driveablity and consistency of performance in various conditions and road courses, not a 1/4 mile run down a flat, leveled surface...

So you are saying a N54 running down the strip in the 11 second range isn't a good enough reason? European cars aren't allowed to drag race? Tell that to all the C63 or E63 owners who will destroy many of the cars that you "perceive" to be made for drag.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. BMWs are not made for the drag strip. Quit mutilating euro cars by trying to make them muscle cars! Enough is enough!

If you want your car to be a "sledge hammer" then go purchase a small block chevy and run alcohol in it. Then take that to the drag strip.

If you want a luxury "sledge hammer" then go buy a Cadilac CTS in a flavor of your choice.

All of you people who are nagging about GIAC being conservative and not delivering the highest HP/TQ number, you should be ashamed of yourselves as you apparently do not get the point of tuning european cars... Its about driveablity and consistency of performance in various conditions and road courses, not a 1/4 mile run down a flat, leveled surface...

I think you should remove your power mods, your car is not meant to go faster in a straight line.....

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I am sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. BMWs are not made for the drag strip. Quit mutilating euro cars by trying to make them muscle cars! Enough is enough!

If you want your car to be a "sledge hammer" then go purchase a small block chevy and run alcohol in it. Then take that to the drag strip.

If you want a luxury "sledge hammer" then go buy a Cadilac CTS in a flavor of your choice.

All of you people who are nagging about GIAC being conservative and not delivering the highest HP/TQ number, you should be ashamed of yourselves as you apparently do not get the point of tuning european cars... Its about driveablity and consistency of performance in various conditions and road courses, not a 1/4 mile run down a flat, leveled surface...

Oh please..... you're just making excuses cause your tune of choice hasnt stepped up their game. Even Mr.5 who has been working with them for a while is still waiting for a good race map.... Don't come around here with your European bible telling people what they can or cant do.

Please.... customers are paying for a product, and if the company wants to meet expectations of the consumer, they have to change, its called BUSINESS.

99% of Giac owners want more power.... You're on your own.

Get with the program.

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by themyst

So you are saying a N54 running down the strip in the 11 second range isn't a good enough reason? European cars aren't allowed to drag race? Tell that to all the C63 or E63 owners who will destroy many of the cars that you "perceive" to be made for drag.

Originally Posted by Clap135

I think you should remove your power mods, your car is not meant to go faster in a straight line.....

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Oh please..... you're just making excuses cause your tune of choice hasnt stepped up their game. Even Mr.5 who has been working with them for a while is still waiting for a good race map.... Don't come around here with your European bible telling people what they can or cant do.

Please.... customers are paying for a product, and if the company wants to meet expectations of the consumer, they have to change, its called BUSINESS.

99% of Giac owners want more power.... You're on your own.

Get with the program.

awesome guys... I lol'd

Love the entertainment in this thread these past two days... Keep it up.

[themyst]

We are the three stooges it seems.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Please.... customers are paying for a product, and if the company wants to meet expectations of the consumer, they have to change, its called BUSINESS.

Customers have choices. Usually, most impulsive consumers believe that the more they get (bigger food portion, bigger sized drink, bigger car, bigger house and in this case bigger horse power number) is more important than having a higher quality product. To me flashing a few lights on the dash while changing maps is as appealing as a dog poop on a hot day when I know that my ECU is constantly getting tricked by the piggyback tune... Or that my tune can't do jack shit for changing the algorithm in which the engine coolant pump is operating...

All companies exist to stay in business, that I admit. Few companies manufacture products based on a vision or an ideal. GIAC is not here to claim the trophy of the highest horsepower number or the highest torque number. Neither is DINAN. However, their products deliver consistency, every time, all the time! For someone who intends to drive their car for as long as they can, consistency is the most important thing.

Personally, if I have to choose between consistent delivery of 60 whp from a flash tune and peaky, inconsistent 80 whp from a piggy, I'd take the 60 whp any day! ...but to each his own. Also, for the record, my car still has no tune, so I am not biased as someone who already owns one.

[dzenno]

Yo GIAC fan boy, so, what does GIAC do in this case:

"Or that my tune can't do jack shit for changing the algorithm in which the engine coolant pump is operating..."

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Yo GIAC fan boy, so, what does GIAC do in this case:

"Or that my tune can't do jack shit for changing the algorithm in which the engine coolant pump is operating..."

Yo' Procede fan boy! Dinan does that!

[Clap135]

peaky inconsistent power? You gotta catch up on your reading. The only thing you did is pay more for a slower car.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Yo' Procede fan boy! Dinan does that!

chill, that was just a joke GUY!

I don't get why the anger...did a piggyback blow your engine up in the past or what?

by the way i run whatever I feel make me personally feel good in terms of my own car...not sure what you're tying to prove here exactly?? you prefer flash over piggy? good for you, run it and be happy!

[themyst]

There's nothing peaky and nothing inconsistent about a Procede.

[old account 1]

Originally Posted by kennejp

Why does GIAC not turn up the boost more with the race gas and meth map. I am running 16psi with just dci/jb3/meth. I know everyone loves the way GIAC drives and how much control it has over the car but why wouldnt they bump up the psi. Seems like I have seen cars modded just like yours with 2.5dps making 30+more whp and tq. But congrats I bet the car hauls esp with the lsd!

I have had more than a few E90post members PM'ing me with concerns over that much boost. Though there are going to be a few people who want, 17+ psi, the vast majority will not.

[Mr. 5]

Come on guys, let's not derail the thread.

I agree that I would love a race gas/meth map and I really think that once the map comes out, I will be seeing 120+ traps and mid 11 ETs, but GIAC's number 1 issue was getting the flashloader out and finishing the stage 2 maps. Focusing on just a straight line map wouldn't be the smartest thing.
Remember though that I still hold the record for the quickest and fastest e90 6MT 335i and have had it since Jan 31 2010.

Here's the thing that you won't see from GIAC (from experience):

--You won't see a different flash come out every month--Example, if you have stage 2 flashed on your car, you won't see an upgraded stage 2 that does something different in a couple weeks.
--They won't be coming up with any sort of shift lights or user adjustability, etc.
Since they have officially released their product then this is what will be.
I could be wrong but don't think so.
Reliability and dependability are the highest priority and if another tuner wants to run 18 psi on pump gas and they get more power over GIAC then I think they would be fine with that.

[dzenno]

vasillalov, what's funny is that you're making everyone else "with" a piggy on here "sound" like fan boys when all we're really trying to do is update you on some recent developments in piggy development you may have "overlooked"...

what you're talking about "was" true for procede for example, still is for JB3 until JB4 is released...

as for consistency, let me update you on this as well: flashes, depending on weather WILL NOT produce the same power in all weather conditions...take a look at some dynos of flash tuned cars in different weather conditions and you'll realize that quickly...

[old account 1]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Oh please..... you're just making excuses cause your tune of choice hasnt stepped up their game. Even Mr.5 who has been working with them for a while is still waiting for a good race map.... Don't come around here with your European bible telling people what they can or cant do.

Please.... customers are paying for a product, and if the company wants to meet expectations of the consumer, they have to change, its called BUSINESS.

99% of Giac owners want more power.... You're on your own.

Get with the program.

As someone who speaks with quite a few GIAC customers directly, 99% is a disgustingly large exaggeration. There are a very small number of customers who want a higher power race map to run solely at the drag strip. To date, every single stage 2+ customer that daily drives with this map has been quite satisfied. Most of the people on here who are talking about wanting more power do not have any experience with our flash at all, they are simply keyboard tuning.

[dzenno]

vasillalov, what's funny is that you're making everyone else "with" a piggy on here "sound" like fan boys when all we're really trying to do is update you on some recent developments in piggy development you may have "overlooked"...

what you're talking about "was" true for procede for example, still is for JB3 until JB4 is released...

as for consistency, let me update you on this as well: flashes, depending on weather WILL NOT produce the same power in all weather conditions...take a look at some dynos of flash tuned cars in different weather conditions and you'll realize that quickly...

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Austin@GIAC

As someone who speaks with quite a few GIAC customers directly, 99% is a disgustingly large exaggeration. There are a very small number of customers who want a higher power race map to run solely at the drag strip. To date, every single stage 2+ customer that daily drives with this map has been quite satisfied. Most of the people on here who are talking about wanting more power do not have any experience with our flash at all, they are simply keyboard tuning.

what failsafes do GIAC offer for customers who run meth? The JB3 can accept a low flow output from a flow sensor and drop to a lower map, and the Procede can switch from pump map to meth map based on meth flow. I do not know of anything other than monitoring flow on something like a coolingmist CMGS that can prevent or reduce boost output if a meth injection system fails. What is the solution if someone runs out of meth or has a system failure? Don't boost? I'm not flaming or trying to start an argument, I just want to know how something like this would work in a flash tune application.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Remember though that I still hold the record for the quickest and fastest e90 6MT 335i and have had it since Jan 31 2010.

Hats off for the quickest 6MT record for sure...but not the fastest though...there's at least 3-4 of us (including myself) with higher traps..

i'm going to the strip tomorrow, this time instead of pump/meth and 19'' rims/tires I'll be running MS109 (hopefully they'll have it), 90/10 meth (last time I had 70/30 AFAIK) and MT ET DRs...hopefully taking down that record

check dragtimes.com...