[Sparky66]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

Helix next to an AMS fmic on the bench!

Wow.....the Helix makes the AMS FMIC look like a toy!

[tscdennab]

The rounded edges of the helix bars are really nice and important. I wonder why other don't have those. The aerodynamics are a lot better with that setup.

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

The rounded edges of the helix bars are really nice and important. I wonder why other don't have those. The aerodynamics are a lot better with that setup.

thanx for the compliments, utilizing the half round bars really directs the airflow with alot less restriction. we choose to do this because its the right way to do it and we FINALLY found a core manufacturer that could build the cores to our specifications. building the intercoolers this way increases cost and also adds steps to the manufacturing process.

[kanecvl]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

thanx for the compliments, utilizing the half round bars really directs the airflow with alot less restriction. we choose to do this because its the right way to do it and we FINALLY found a core manufacturer that could build the cores to our specifications. building the intercoolers this way increases cost and also adds steps to the manufacturing process.

Waiting for GB price.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by kanecvl

Waiting for GB price.

+1

[valerun]

Originally Posted by kanecvl

Waiting for GB price.

+1

will it fit 2009 335xi?

[MKE_M3]

I'm no air flow expert, but I would find it had to believe that much air makes it through the top of of the Helix core. It would have to really move in an unnatual way to get up there. Has the Helix been proven to perform better than CP-E or AMS?

[JayML]

any of these intercoolers fit the N55?

without modification I mean

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by jdemetry

I'm no air flow expert, but I would find it had to believe that much air makes it through the top of of the Helix core. It would have to really move in an unnatual way to get up there. Has the Helix been proven to perform better than CP-E or AMS?

Have you taken your bumper off and looked at the space above the top of your stock intercooler? There is about 4" of space above the top of the stock IC and the bumper support bar that air flows to the radiator.

Thus, the taller core fits exactly in that space, and should be a direct bolt.

[MKE_M3]

Originally Posted by techlogik

Have you taken your bumper off and looked at the space above the top of your stock intercooler? There is about 4" of space above the top of the stock IC and the bumper support bar that air flows to the radiator.

Thus, the taller core fits exactly in that space, and should be a direct bolt.

Thanks, but that misses my point. I mean the intake flow, not the external flow. Also, blocking the radiator in a car known to have temp problems seems like a bad idea. I am a temp nazi, so I am a little biased. I just wonder if the temp drop, hot to cold, is any better with the Helix. CP-E has a great white paper on theirs, and the drop is far superior to stock.

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by jdemetry

I'm no air flow expert, but I would find it had to believe that much air makes it through the top of of the Helix core. It would have to really move in an unnatual way to get up there. Has the Helix been proven to perform better than CP-E or AMS?

in our prototype stage we tested this with pressure probes and infrared heat scanners. the entire core has equal airflow as the temps across the face of the core are consistent top to bottom. if you have ever taken a physics class you would know that gas wants to equalize its pressure and flow when in a vessel. The funny thing is no one wonders if the air flows equally in a taller thinner intercooler like the AMS when our taller section is basically the same thing. My design partner works in the airflow/cooling industry and just this week has purchased a FLIR(forward looking infrared camera-think Predator) we are going to be able to take movies of 2 cars side by side on the road showing the actual thermal image of the intercooler as its working under boost, what you will be able to see is if the entire core is working efficiently as well as its ability to thwart heatsoak
and yes their are plenty of end user independant(dont trust manufacturer data) datalogs that show how well the Helix works compared to the competition!

[I335]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

My design partner works in the airflow/cooling industry and just this week has purchased a FLIR(forward looking infrared camera-think Predator) we are going to be able to take movies of 2 cars side by side on the road showing the actual thermal image of the intercooler as its working under boost, what you will be able to see is if the entire core is working efficiently as well as its ability to thart heatsoak

Now that sounds interesting and fun - looking forward to seeing some of the results once you guys have a chance to get it set up...

[Big Tom]

This is a new alternative on the IC market.



It looks really good and stealthy, and I think it's even bigger than Helix!

3D PDF: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/images/p...ercooler3D.PDF

Wagner Tuning: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/produ...uehler_eng.php

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by jdemetry

Thanks, but that misses my point. I mean the intake flow, not the external flow. Also, blocking the radiator in a car known to have temp problems seems like a bad idea. I am a temp nazi, so I am a little biased. I just wonder if the temp drop, hot to cold, is any better with the Helix. CP-E has a great white paper on theirs, and the drop is far superior to stock.

we've eliminated as much of potential problem with flow to the radiator with our rounded core face bars, in addition with over 300+ FMICS out on the street we havent had any complaints about increases in radiator temps and this is with cars that are tracked(Autocross/endurance racing/cannonball run style racing) and driven in very hot climates!

[MKE_M3]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

in our prototype stage we tested this with pressure probes and infrared heat scanners. the entire core has equal airflow as the temps across the face of the core are consistent top to bottom. if you have ever taken a physics class you would know that gas wants to equalize its pressure and flow when in a vessel. The funny thing is no one wonders if the air flows equally in a taller thinner intercooler like the AMS when our taller section is basically the same thing. My design partner works in the airflow/cooling industry and just this week has purchased a FLIR(forward looking infrared camera-think Predator) we are going to be able to take movies of 2 cars side by side on the road showing the actual thermal image of the intercooler as its working under boost, what you will be able to see is if the entire core is working efficiently as well as its ability to thwart heatsoak
and yes their are plenty of end user independant(dont trust manufacturer data) datalogs that show how well the Helix works compared to the competition!

I am editing my post because TTuboBullet appears to have addressed my concerns in simultaneous posts with my whiny one. Thanks TT!

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

This is a new alternative on the IC market.



It looks really good and stealthy and I think it's even bigger than Helix!

Wagner tuning: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/produ...uehler_eng.php

3D PDF: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/images/p...ercooler3D.PDF

WOW its funny how noone can come up with their own ideas That intercooler uses dual cores and has 11 charge rows to our 13. our exposed ambient face is also larger

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

WOW its funny how noone can come up with their own ideas That intercooler uses dual cores and has 11 charge rows to our 13. our exposed ambient face is also larger

...and this $250 piece has the largest ambient face :

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by jdemetry

No need to insult me. I have an electrical engineering degree from one of the top programs in teh country. I understand how pressures work. In the reall world, under dynamic conditions, it isn't always as simple. For example, the entire post turbo to throttle body section is a "vessel" or a closed system, but the pressures are not identical everywhere in the system, such as pre and post intercooler. Also, I did not insult your product in any way (except to be concerned about it blocking the radiator more) which you did not address. You also provided no information about whether it produced better intake cooling.

All my defensiveness aside, its nice to know air gets up there!

I wasnt insulting you, most people on here dont have any engineering/testing background, I did answer your questions on an earlier thread about the effect on the radiator and heres a link to the FMIC comparison thread
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...+thread&page=7

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by Big Tom

...and this $250 piece has the largest ambient face :

can u take a pic inside the core id like to see the fin density also if you look at that pic with the inlet and outlet on the bottom air would move in the same way(up and down) it would in our taller section! Big tom if you could do some datalogs of 2-3-4 gear wide open throttle that would be great please log AIT RPM and Boost. to keep the constants similar we need to know ambient temperature and boost should be 13-14.5psi. this data is as close to an independant intercooler test as we can get!

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

can u take a pic inside the core id like to see the fin density also if you look at that pic with the inlet and outlet on the bottom air would move in the same way(up and down) it would in our taller section! Big tom if you could do some datalogs of 2-3-4 gear wide open throttle that would be great please log AIT RPM and Boost. to keep the constants similar we need to know ambient temperature and boost should be 13-14.5psi. this data is as close to an independant intercooler test as we can get!

This IC transformed my car to be the fastest N54 in Sweden (except from Enritas car with bigger turbos of course ), so I'm more than happy with it!

[MKE_M3]

Originally Posted by TTurboBullett

I wasnt insulting you, most people on here dont have any engineering/testing background, I did answer your questions on an earlier thread about the effect on the radiator and heres a link to the FMIC comparison thread
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...+thread&page=7

No worries. I edited my post!

[chumley]

BT - Seems pretty inconsistent for you to suggest this.....

You've made it pretty clear that you believe that no matter how many thermodynamic studies or how much flow testing anyone has done that you think a $250 chinese intercooler the size of small piece of luggage works just as well and you have good performance to back it up. In some real world circumstances or on a dyno you may very well be right, good for you. I also applaud you for being innovative vs. imitative.

But unless I'm missing something or it's a joke, according to their site this is what? 790 euros or around $1100? With shipping this would be one of the most expensive options out there. Soooo......I'm not sure what your point is other than to poo on any option anyone suggests that isn't what you did or to suggest anything, even something like this so people don't buy from supporting venders? Ok, we get it....or maybe we don't get it???

Originally Posted by Big Tom

This is a new alternative on the IC market.



It looks really good and stealthy, and I think it's even bigger than Helix!

3D PDF: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/images/p...ercooler3D.PDF

Wagner Tuning: http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/produ...uehler_eng.php