[chili36]

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

how about a dyno?

How about a JB log. Which is where everyone else is getting their numbers to compare from. We are comparing the numbers that the tune is seeing not a dyno.

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

how about a dyno?

wtf is going on with that curve?

[Rotary Rasp]

Originally Posted by chili36

How about a JB log. Which is where everyone else is getting their numbers to compare from. We are comparing the numbers that the tune is seeing not a dyno.

I tried doing a log during the dyno, but it didn't record anything for some reason.

I guess i can try on the street tonight, what gear should i log?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

I tried doing a log during the dyno, but it didn't record anything for some reason.

I guess i can try on the street tonight, what gear should i log?

3rd gear pull.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.

LOL @ map 1 being too aggressive. See below.

Map 0: Stock bypass. This is the only map you may use a BT cable with.
Map 1: 13psi (suggested for most stock applications)
Map 2: 14.5psi (suggested for bolt on mods with 93 octane, close to JB3 map 7)
Map 3: Progressive meth mapping with flow sensor failsafe. See guide to enable.
Map 4: Stock map w/ CAN active. Soon to be our economy map.
Map 5: (2/1 and later only) alpha autotuning map. Boost ranges between 12-16psi based on historic knock sensor feedback. Still under development so if you're going to play with it keep an eye on things.
Map 6: Custom map. Active but be careful with it.
Map 7: 16.5psi. A light weight race map. 100 RM2 octane required.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

3rd gear pull.

I do 3rd through 4th

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by chili36

LOL @ map 1 being too aggressive. See below.

Map 0: Stock bypass. This is the only map you may use a BT cable with.
Map 1: 13psi (suggested for most stock applications)
Map 2: 14.5psi (suggested for bolt on mods with 93 octane, close to JB3 map 7)
Map 3: Progressive meth mapping with flow sensor failsafe. See guide to enable.
Map 4: Stock map w/ CAN active. Soon to be our economy map.
Map 5: (2/1 and later only) alpha autotuning map. Boost ranges between 12-16psi based on historic knock sensor feedback. Still under development so if you're going to play with it keep an eye on things.
Map 6: Custom map. Active but be careful with it.
Map 7: 16.5psi. A light weight race map. 100 RM2 octane required.

Apparantly you're not understanding Autotuning...unless JB's "autotuning" is bass ackwards.

If autotuning has to bring boost down to 11psi to get rid of knock, then 13psi will be overly aggressive and knock! It doesn't matter if the guide says 13psi is for most applications. If you have less than ideal conditions, all JB guides are out the window.

What particularly are you not understanding?

[Rotary Rasp]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

3rd gear pull.

gotcha

[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Apparantly you're not understanding Autotuning...unless JB's "autotuning" is bass ackwards.

If autotuning has to bring boost down to 11psi to get rid of knock, then 13psi will be overly aggressive and knock! It doesn't matter if the guide says 13psi is for most applications. If you have less than ideal conditions, all JB guides are out the window.

What particularly are you not understanding?

You do realize that this auto tuning is in it's early stages of development and is very conservative right? How are you going to tell me that a map designed for a stock car is too aggressive? If what you say is true then BMS would have released revised map settings.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by chili36

You do realize that this auto tuning is in it's early stages of development and is very conservative right? How are you going to tell me that a map designed for a stock car is too aggressive? If what you say is true then BMS would have released revised map settings.

Autotuning adjusts the boost to the highest level the tune considers safe. Plain and simple. Map 1 is for a stock car with perfect conditions. Mike has already said the autotuning will become more aggressive, so we will just have to wait and see.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by chili36

You do realize that this auto tuning is in it's early stages of development and is very conservative right? How are you going to tell me that a map designed for a stock car is too aggressive? If what you say is true then BMS would have released revised map settings.

Oh my goodness. So if you're in poor conditions, and running 13psi and your engine is knocking itself like Jehova, would you say that is not too aggressive for the reason it was designed for the stock car?

13psi (without any proactive timing retardation) can work in ideal conditions. We're talking about not ideal conditons.

I'm speaking to technical engine operations, not simple guides or recommendations.

So, what is it specifically you're not getting?

[chili36]

Your exact words where "too aggressive". To me thts not aggressive. I drive on map7 on a daily basis. So basicaly your saying that map 1 can potentially blow an engine? Please!
Of course under not so ideal conditions performance will suffer. IIRC map 1 was the equivalent of map 3 on JB3.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by chili36

Your exact words where "too aggressive". To me thts not aggressive. I drive on map7 on a daily basis. So basicaly your saying that map 1 can potentially blow an engine? Please!
Of course under not so ideal conditions performance will suffer. IIRC map 1 was the equivalent of map 3 on JB3.

Sir, re-read what we're discussing. You're really misunderstanding what is being discussed.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Autotuning adjusts the boost to the highest level the tune considers safe. Plain and simple. Map 1 is for a stock car with perfect conditions. Mike has already said the autotuning will become more aggressive, so we will just have to wait and see.

No one is denying how autotuning works. How often do we see "perfect" conditions? not too often.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Sir, re-read what we're discussing. You're really misunderstanding what is being discussed.

Sure I do. You are saying that any map other than an autotune map is unhealthy for an engine.

[5soko]

Autotuning is not a dyno glory type map, from what ive been reading it is more of a map that is setup for the road and etc. Autotuning on a dyno can be wierd sometimes, as seen from many PROcede dynos aswell, not just this JB4 dyno.

Ive tryed Map5 with autotuning personally and after a few WOT runs to adapt, it run a bit less boost than say Map2 at 14.5, but on my car personally Map5 really is smooth through the redline with tons of power. It is really consistent. Its def a really good tune.

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by chili36

Sure I do. You are saying that any map other than an autotune map is unhealthy for an engine.

Jeez man, go back to 7th grade reading comprehension. You're way off.

[chili36]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Jeez man, go back to 7th grade reading comprehension. You're way off.

Your kidding me right?
Just one of many...

Originally Posted by BrianMN

If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Apparantly you're not understanding Autotuning...unless JB's "autotuning" is bass ackwards.

If autotuning has to bring boost down to 11psi to get rid of knock, then 13psi will be overly aggressive and knock! It doesn't matter if the guide says 13psi is for most applications. If you have less than ideal conditions, all JB guides are out the window.

What particularly are you not understanding?

I will refer you back to an earlier post in this thread...what exactly is being "autotuned"???

No answer from Mike...they don't like me anymore, particularly at N54 because Terry can't answer basic questions directly about FI tuning fundamentals...but I digress.

Also, it can't autotune timing, JB has no direct way to control timing with CP offset like Procede, or modifying the ignition/load tables on the DME like all flash tuners.

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by chili36

Sure I do. You are saying that any map other than an autotune map is unhealthy for an engine.

LOL not at all, he's saying that auto-tuning is showing that knock is decreasing the boost incrementally to prevent further knock events. So if it's pushing it down to 12 psi, that means anything above 12 psi is too aggressive. Autotuning is showing you first hand that the other maps are not healthy for your engine...

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by chili36

Your kidding me right?
Just one of many...

This is the last post to help you understand...otherwise it's hopeless.

Let's disect this sentence:

Originally Posted by BrianMN
If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.
Now, can we agree autotuning is meant to raise or lower boost based on conditions (fuel quality, climate, carbon,overall health, etc..

OK. So if Customer A runs Map 5 (autotuning) and the JB autotunes him/her down to 11psi, that means that at 13.5psi for Customer A's unique conditions is too aggressive. It can easily be the other way around. Conditions can near perfect, and autotuning will raise boost to 15.5psi...1psi higher than map2 or whatever; making map 2 too conservative for Customer A's unique conditions at that time. It is EASILY understandable that a JB car in uniquely poor conditions will autotune to 11psi...meaning that 13.5psi (map 1)is too aggressive. It's autotuning that would declare it too aggressive; not me.
So, what I've been saying has nothing to do with generalized aggressiveness of the maps. Nothing to do with Map 1 being too aggressive. Nothing to do with a non-autotuning map being unhealthy. Re-read my posts and show me where I said that, hahaha.

Good luck.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

This is the last post to help you understand...otherwise it's hopeless.

Let's disect this sentence:

Originally Posted by BrianMN
If Map 1 is 13.5psi, and autotuning brings the customer down to 11psi...map 1 is too aggressive.
Now, can we agree autotuning is meant to raise or lower boost based on conditions (fuel quality, climate, carbon,overall health, etc..

OK. So if Customer A runs Map 5 (autotuning) and the JB autotunes him/her down to 11psi, that means that at 13.5psi for Customer A's unique conditions is too aggressive. It can easily be the other way around. Conditions can near perfect, and autotuning will raise boost to 15.5psi...1psi higher than map2 or whatever; making map 2 too conservative for Customer A's unique conditions at that time. It is EASILY understandable that a JB car in uniquely poor conditions will autotune to 11psi...meaning that 13.5psi (map 1)is too aggressive. It's autotuning that would declare it too aggressive; not me.
So, what I've been saying has nothing to do with generalized aggressiveness of the maps. Nothing to do with Map 1 being too aggressive. Nothing to do with a non-autotuning map being unhealthy. Re-read my posts and show me where I said that, hahaha.

Good luck.

I mean this with respect, can you please make your own thread or PM, this thread is getting derailed and info about the JB4 is getting lost in it.. Its about the new firmware, not how it works. Thanks. N54tech has a few threads on how it works, maybe you can start one aswell here.