[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

There, I bolded it for you. Nowhere does it say that any problems caused by Dinan parts are covered by Dinan, and your BMW shop won't cover them either. All it says it that THEIR parts are covered by them. Takes 2 seconds dude...reading comprehension much?

Suggestion: do not accuse Sniz of being wrong. 99 times out of a hundred you will not come out looking good. This is one of the 99 times, by the way.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Suggestion: do not accuse Sniz of being wrong. 99 times out of a hundred you will not come out looking good. This is one of the 99 times, by the way.

So who's wrong?

The original assumption was, "Dinan isn't covered under BMW warranty anymore."

Dinan products were never warrantied by BMW as stated by ybbiz34 (as well as the Dinan website).

Then the statement you quoted which has nothing to do with either argument.

[mycoupe]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Suggestion: do not accuse Sniz of being wrong. 99 times out of a hundred you will not come out looking good. This is one of the 99 times, by the way.

explain to me how the statement I made was incorrect. Dinan does not warranty the factory parts, not does BMW warranty a part that fails due to modifications. Therefore, just because the two of you are moderators means jack sh*t.


edit: Dinan does not warranty "race specific" part issues, only the part itself.

[Alchem]

Its still cheaper to get non dinan parts and pay out of pocket for any repairs than to get all dinan parts.

[Sniz]

I appreciate that but I'm not sure where I got involved in that side discussion

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Suggestion: do not accuse Sniz of being wrong. 99 times out of a hundred you will not come out looking good. This is one of the 99 times, by the way.

[BMWsky]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

explain to me how the statement I made was incorrect. Dinan does not warranty the factory parts, not does BMW warranty a part that fails due to modifications. Therefore, just because the two of you are moderators means jack sh*t.

Holy strawman attack.

[import36]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

I'd rather pull a Charlie sheen and spend the money on a night I won't likely remember.

$4k Dinan dps = not WINNING

Damn!!

[jzepeda]

Just my expierence with Dinan Warranty. BMW did not want to cover my tubo replacements becuase of Dinan tune and CAI. Dinan shelled out the money to the dealer and fixed my car. BMW then paid out to Dinan once the parts were inspected and verified Dinan was not the cause of the malfunction.
all in all Dinan and BMW have replaced every part that I had issues (2-HPFP, 3-Injectors, 1- coil, turbos) with every time I had an issue and they said they would not cover it I called Dinan and the car was fixed nothing has ever come out of my pocket.
I'm not saying Dinan is the way to go but from my experience If you want moderate gains without dealing with installing and uninstalling parts before dealer visits it's was worth the cost for me. I would not pay 4,000 for DP but I would pay 2,000 since AR catted DP run for about 1,300 I'm willing to pay out an extra 700-1000 to be covered. my opinion of course. I maybe slower then half the people on this forum but I never fear dealer visits and have not had any issues with there products.

Thanks,
jorge

Originally Posted by mycoupe

explain to me how the statement I made was incorrect. Dinan does not warranty the factory parts, not does BMW warranty a part that fails due to modifications. Therefore, just because the two of you are moderators means jack sh*t.


edit: Dinan does not warranty "race specific" part issues, only the part itself.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by jzepeda

Just my expierence with Dinan Warranty. BMW did not want to cover my tubo replacements becuase of Dinan tune and CAI. Dinan shelled out the money to the dealer and fixed my car. BMW then paid out to Dinan once the parts were inspected and verified Dinan was not the cause of the malfunction.
all in all Dinan and BMW have replaced every part that I had issues (2-HPFP, 3-Injectors, 1- coil, turbos) with every time I had an issue and they said they would not cover it I called Dinan and the car was fixed nothing has ever come out of my pocket.
I'm not saying Dinan is the way to go but from my experience If you want moderate gains without dealing with installing and uninstalling parts before dealer visits it's was worth the cost for me. I would not pay 4,000 for DP but I would pay 2,000 since AR catted DP run for about 1,300 I'm willing to pay out an extra 700-1000 to be covered. my opinion of course. I maybe slower then half the people on this forum but I never fear dealer visits and have not had any issues with there products.

Thanks,
jorge

you have gotten your $$ worth out of Dinan then

congrats. In this case Dinan does make sense.

4k for downpipes does not.

[secretsquirrel]

I'm not sure why you guys are throwing around 4k for dp's when Dinan's exhaust is 2k. I truly believe that their products are way overpriced, but I don't think simple dps will be anywhere close to 4k.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

I'm not sure why you guys are throwing around 4k for dp's when Dinan's exhaust is 2k. I truly believe that their products are way overpriced, but I don't think simple dps will be anywhere close to 4k.

OP

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

explain to me how the statement I made was incorrect. Dinan does not warranty the factory parts, not does BMW warranty a part that fails due to modifications. Therefore, just because the two of you are moderators means jack sh*t.


edit: Dinan does not warranty "race specific" part issues, only the part itself.

BMW warranties BMW factory parts. Dinan warranties Dinan parts to match your BMW warranty.
You still have your BMW warranty and you get a matching dinan warranty for your dinan parts/tune.
What's so difficult to understand? I've had many issues with my car and I have stage 2. I have never paid any money for warranty work on my car...dinans problem or bmw's problem, it doesn't matter, it all gets fixed for free!

[biz77]

With or without cats, either way Dinan would be offering a product that is not road legal.

Federal law mandates that you cannot replace OEM functioning catalytic convertors, unless they are missing, damaged or more than eight-years (80,000 miles) old. If the car is less than eight years old (less than 80,000 miles), the manufacturer is obligated to replace the OEM catalytic convertors under federal law and there would be no legitimate reason to replace them with aftermarket parts.

http://www.epa.gov/oms/cert/factshts/catcvrts.pdf

Specifically:

"(6) When can I install an aftermarket converter?
Generally, there are only 3 situations when you can install an aftermarket converter.
They are:
(1) if the converter is missing from the vehicle when brought in for exhaust
system repair; or
(2) if a State or local inspection program has determined the existing converter
has been lead poisoned, damaged, or otherwise needs replacement; or
(3) if the vehicle is more than 5 years old or has more than 50,000 miles*
(8 years/80,000 miles for 1995 and newer vehicles) and a legitimate need for
replacement has been established and appropriately documented (e.g., a
plugged converter or unrepairable exhaust leaks).
Any other converter replacement must be with a 'certified' or new original equipment (OE)
or equivalent converter.
Aftermarket converters subject to the enforcement policy requirements cannot be used for
replacement if:
(1) the existing converter is present and functioning properly; or
(2) the replacement is under recall or warranty; or
(3) the vehicle is returning from overseas use."

Would Dinan offer up something "for off road use only?"

[techlogik]

Yeah, so how much they want for some DPs if they do make them is the million dollar question? Or maybe the $1500 questions in Dinan prices.

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

explain to me how the statement I made was incorrect. Dinan does not warranty the factory parts, not does BMW warranty a part that fails due to modifications. Therefore, just because the two of you are moderators means jack sh*t.


edit: Dinan does not warranty "race specific" part issues, only the part itself.

There are people. Here that have had turbos replaced by DINAN, so youre clearly lost...

[Bavarian E92]

Bump for all the passion goin on in this thread. BTW what's up with all the haters here? If god wanted you to keep money he would have put handles on it. It's always the people who are tight on money that criticize what other people buy.

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Dinan's a joke.

Originally Posted by mycoupe

There is virtually no one that wants dinan parts anymore. They are overpriced, provide no gains over other aftermarket support, and did I mention the cost aspect???

They would have gone out of business a very long time ago if this was the case.

Originally Posted by JPSlick

2-3-4K LOL

You guys sure know how to waste money.

Its a pipe guys... Plenty of solutions for a fraction of the cost.

Originally Posted by Sniz

lol

OP seriously if you are willing to spend 4k on Dinan downpipes then you need your head examined. I just dont get it. Get a similar product for 1/5 the price, gain more HP and IF you ever need to have the car worked on you can get someone to put your stockers back on over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and you will still save money and make more power.

I just dont get it.

Dinan doesnt make sense to me anymore.

Originally Posted by boom

You're smoking crack dude. $4k for anything less than a turbocharger
or a supercharger kit is a rape job.

Originally Posted by creaminz

If u can afford $4000 catted downpipes like its nothing than you are driving a wrong car get P cars or at least get M3 for $4000, you can buy ar and icarbon and have them installed/uninstalled like 15 times

Originally Posted by mycoupe

There, I bolded it for you. Nowhere does it say that any problems caused by Dinan parts are covered by Dinan, and your BMW shop won't cover them either. All it says it that THEIR parts are covered by them. Takes 2 seconds dude...reading comprehension much?

Dinan matches your existing OEM BMW warranty new or CPO period.

[Yankees 2010]

lmao! WOW you guys get all worked up over Dinan. I feel like Scott Walker against the union!

Once again for those interested please send an email to Dinan please. The downpipes are not going to cost 4k it'll probably be 3-4x more than what it will normally cost.

[Yankees 2010]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

Dinan matches your existing OEM BMW warranty new or CPO period.

This is true I spoke to Dinan, BMW NA and three Dinan dealers about it. If your engine blows up BMW fixes it and then Dinan and BMW fight about who is responsible. The customer never knows the difference.

[dlbrooks18]

Cool.. Dinan should work on upgraded turbos

[M4TW]

No way would I pay $4,000 for downpipes that Dinan doesn't make and has not priced.

I feel the same way about Dinan upgraded turbos which it also doesn't make but for which I bet they'd charge $20 K. Lol

As if someone would pay $20 K for upgraded turbos from Dinan when there are plenty of cheaper ones that probably make more power than the Dinan imaginary ones. Stupid Dinan.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by mycoupe

There, I bolded it for you. Nowhere does it say that any problems caused by Dinan parts are covered by Dinan, and your BMW shop won't cover them either. All it says it that THEIR parts are covered by them. Takes 2 seconds dude...reading comprehension much?

You have no idea how any of this works.

Also, in my original post, all I said was that Dinan products are covered by the Dinan warranty, NOT the BMW warranty. The quoted language I selected from Dinan's website summed up that point pretty clearly. Reading comprehension much?

All of that jumbled bullcrap you spoke about "nowhere does it say that any problems caused by Dinan parts blah blah blah" is just something you extrapolated from the language of the text (because nowhere did it say these types of problems were NOT covered). What good would the warranty really be if the part caused some kind of major failure in the car and the only remedy was to replace the part? That may technically be the case, dending on the way the warranty is worded, including limitations on consequential damages and limitation of remedies (to repair or replacement of defective parts).

But all of that is unnecessary because . . . D'OH! Did you forget to read this?

THERE, I BOLDED IT FOR YOU.

"The Authorized Dinan Dealer will, without charge for parts or labor, repair or replace the defective Dinan component(s), as well as any original vehicle manufacturer’s component(s) that may have been directly affected by a Dinan component, using new or authorized remanufactured parts. The decision to repair or replace said parts is at the sole discretion of Dinan and/or the original vehicle manufacturer. Parts for which replacements are supplied under this limited warranty become the property of Dinan and/or the original vehicle manufacturer. In all cases, a reasonable period of time must be allowed for warranty repairs to be completed after the vehicle is delivered to the Authorized Dinan Dealer."

I know of someone, on this forum, who had their turbos and wastegates replaced by BMW, who was running the Dinan software tune:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...gates+replaced

Basically it boils down to this, all of that mythical finger-pointing between BMW and Dinan as to who is going to pay for repairs is BS.

I accept your apology.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

No way would I pay $4,000 for downpipes that Dinan doesn't make and has not priced.

I feel the same way about Dinan upgraded turbos which it also doesn't make but for which I bet they'd charge $20 K. Lol

As if someone would pay $20 K for upgraded turbos from Dinan when there are plenty of cheaper ones that probably make more power than the Dinan imaginary ones. Stupid Dinan.

What would you pay for an entire Dinan BMW race car, made entirely of carbon fiber, that they currently do not make, but I hear costs $500,000?