[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Gotta warn you though, on my gt35R mazdaspeed 3, after I put in that wot box, within 3k the clutch started slipping during wot shifts. Shifting becomes so easy, its actually easier to get into gear then normal driving around town. Curious to see how that ACT clutch holds up with the power/abuse from your upgraded twins during a wot shift.

No doubt if you get off the line with 1.6-1.7 and wot the every shift without getting out of control, you will hit low low 11s

I guess we'll have to see how it holds up...i've got the ClutchMasters FX400 full kit waiting in my garage, the one I got back from warranty, if/when my ACT dies...How long did you have that clutch before the wot box and what kind was it? Can't really blame it on the WOT box for only 3k unless you installed both at the same time, wouldn't be fair..

No doubt if you get off the line with 1.6-1.7 and wot the every shift without getting out of control, you will hit low low 11s

That's the plan

[Litos]

just remember, if the clutch is stronger than the ultimate warrior in his hay day, then SOMETHING else is going to have to give.

tranny maybe !?!? halfshafts !?!? diffs !?!?

my SRT4 was on the stock turbo all it's life. bought it when it had 16 miles on it.

put stage 1 by 2300 miles and was WOT shifting for 83000 miles on the stock clutch.

3rd gear syncro took a dump on me mainly due to the WOT shifting, but i never had any other mechanical problems besides 3 axles and 2 wheel bearings lololol....

before the emergence of the WOT Box, guys with big turbo's were WOT shifting their cars with 430+ftlbs going to the front wheels without even thinking about it. 3rd gear syncros being destroyed were quite common, but everything else held out fine - and this was back in late 2004, early 2005.

[Litos]

go watch a youtube video of SRT4's racing. everytime you hear a loud ass POP or SNAP it's caused from the WOT shift.

and 99% of the time when you see 3 to 4 foot flames being shot out of the exhaust, it's due to the WOT shifting....

most of those early videos was 2 or 3 years before the WOT Box was even released....

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Litos

just remember, if the clutch is stronger than the ultimate warrior in his hay day, then SOMETHING else is going to have to give.

tranny maybe !?!? halfshafts !?!? diffs !?!?

my SRT4 was on the stock turbo all it's life. bought it when it had 16 miles on it.

put stage 1 by 2300 miles and was WOT shifting for 83000 miles on the stock clutch.

3rd gear syncro took a dump on me mainly due to the WOT shifting, but i never had any other mechanical problems besides 3 axles and 2 wheel bearings lololol....

before the emergence of the WOT Box, guys with big turbo's were WOT shifting their cars with 430+ftlbs going to the front wheels without even thinking about it. 3rd gear syncros being destroyed were quite common, but everything else held out fine - and this was back in late 2004, early 2005.

It is really pointless to compare clutch life of a fwd car that lights up the tires vs a car that hooks on a wot shift. Spinning eases the pressure off the clutch for obvious reasons.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Clap135

It is really pointless to compare clutch life of a fwd car that lights up the tires vs a car that hooks on a wot shift. Spinning eases the pressure off the clutch for obvious reasons.

and that's why i pointed out that since he's RWD and has a strong clutch, SOMETHING else is going to give at one point or another.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Litos

just remember, if the clutch is stronger than the ultimate warrior in his hay day, then SOMETHING else is going to have to give.

tranny maybe !?!? halfshafts !?!? diffs !?!?

my SRT4 was on the stock turbo all it's life. bought it when it had 16 miles on it.

put stage 1 by 2300 miles and was WOT shifting for 83000 miles on the stock clutch.

3rd gear syncro took a dump on me mainly due to the WOT shifting, but i never had any other mechanical problems besides 3 axles and 2 wheel bearings lololol....

before the emergence of the WOT Box, guys with big turbo's were WOT shifting their cars with 430+ftlbs going to the front wheels without even thinking about it. 3rd gear syncros being destroyed were quite common, but everything else held out fine - and this was back in late 2004, early 2005.

Well, i've got 800whp DSS axles in the rear now so that should be a non issue, would actually love to abuse them now LOL

In terms of tranny and synchros, I think my missed shifts do WAY more damage without the WOTBox functionality that cuts power between shifts...i'm notorious for missed 1-2 and 2-3 shifts..given how WOTBox works this can only save my synchros from myself as it drops power between the shifts and lets them line up easier..

Everything I've read tells me that, provided it works as advertised, it can only be a better thing for 6MTs that are going all out dragracing than it could hurt...without it you're putting a lot more stress on the car during shifts most of the time...I really think racing from a dig and shifting WITH the WOTBox and going all out is safer to a degree than without it on a 6MT..

Originally Posted by Litos

go watch a youtube video of SRT4's racing. everytime you hear a loud ass POP or SNAP it's caused from the WOT shift.

and 99% of the time when you see 3 to 4 foot flames being shot out of the exhaust, it's due to the WOT shifting....

most of those early videos was 2 or 3 years before the WOT Box was even released....

What's wrong with flames, car's just running rich between shifts, no problem with that...i already get flames shooting out between my shifts with meth on..

Originally Posted by Clap135

It is really pointless to compare clutch life of a fwd car that lights up the tires vs a car that hooks on a wot shift. Spinning eases the pressure off the clutch for obvious reasons.

Good point..

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Litos

and that's why i pointed out that since he's RWD and has a strong clutch, SOMETHING else is going to give at one point or another.

The only SOMETHINGs that haven't already given on my car are engine, wheel bearings and gearbox lol..don't see engine taking a "greater" beating here than without the WOTBox...gearbox, well, if the product works as advertised this should actually help...wheel bearings, oh well, they're just wheel bearings they'll go eventually with launches anyway, but who knows when/if

[Litos]

Originally Posted by dzenno

What's wrong with flames, car's just running rich between shifts, no problem with that

absolutely nothing !!!

sounds awesome, feels awesome and looks badass

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Litos

absolutely nothing !!!

sounds awesome, feels awesome and looks badass

[kjrulz]

so is someone buying this or what?!?!!?

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

so is someone buying this or what?!?!!?

I bought it last night and will be working with Jon@N2MB to get it setup on my car...if it works out I promise a detailed review with some good pics/videos I really really wish this works out lol

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by dzenno

I bought it last night and will be working with Jon@N2MB to get it setup on my car...if it works out I promise a detailed review with some good pics/videos I really really wish this works out lol

[Jake@MOTIV]

The WOTbox never builds as much boost as true antilags. On my 35r and the haltech anti lag i could see 14-15psi off the line. The wotbox with a K04 would only build like 6psi. I would imagine that our dime sized turbines would spin a bit more so you should be able to produce a decent amount of boost being that you'll just bounce off the rpm you set until you drop the clutch.

And seriously...whats with the srt4 talk lol. You came in here ranting about how the WOTbox is obdII and your srt4 experience. The srt4 has a primitive ecu that a greddy emanage blue could run for the most part. The dme may get very annoyed without coding from a piggyback (or the right way to do it with flash intervention) - time will tell. Definately would be fun with those drive shaft shop monsters to do 4k rpm dumps on slicks with those rb turbos.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by dzenno

I bought it last night and will be working with Jon@N2MB to get it setup on my car...if it works out I promise a detailed review with some good pics/videos I really really wish this works out lol

My understanding is if you post a DIY, they will let u keep the WOTbox for free. I been barking up this tree already, it won't work.

[OpenFlash]

I think people need to understand that flat foot shifting is really only useful in small engine/big turbo combinations. We used it in 400+hp evos running 20+psi of boost. The advantage of it is that the engine unloads without having to close the throttle. Which means that the bypass valves don't vent the boost. Which means that you hold boost through the shift and don't require as much spool-up in the next gear.

in the case of the n54 or other drive-by-wire cars, this is going to be hard to accomplish. But with the current state of the Procede tune, if you shift fast enough, you get almost the same effect but with far less transmission stress. With fast shifts, the actual throttle blade won't close fully which means that the bypass valves won't vent. And you end up holding ~10psi between gears. If you get it right, you'll know it because it literally feels like you are doing flat foot shifts with a dog box.

Shiv

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

The WOTbox never builds as much boost as true antilags. On my 35r and the haltech anti lag i could see 14-15psi off the line. The wotbox with a K04 would only build like 6psi. I would imagine that our dime sized turbines would spin a bit more so you should be able to produce a decent amount of boost being that you'll just bounce off the rpm you set until you drop the clutch.

6psi at launch is tons better than vacuum especially if on top of that I get to keep my boost holding say 18psi between shifts

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Definitely would be fun with those drive shaft shop monsters to do 4k rpm dumps on slicks with those rb turbos.

That'd be

Originally Posted by themyst

My understanding is if you post a DIY, they will let u keep the WOTbox for free. I been barking up this tree already, it won't work.

You keep saying it won't work, I get that much..what doesn't work, have you installed it, tried to work things out with them? Yeah, they have a refund policy if it doesn't work out...

[Joshboody]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I think people need to understand that flat foot shifting is really only useful in small engine/big turbo combinations. We used it in 400+hp evos running 20+psi of boost. The advantage of it is that the engine unloads without having to close the throttle. Which means that the bypass valves don't vent the boost. Which means that you hold boost through the shift and don't require as much spool-up in the next gear.

in the case of the n54 or other drive-by-wire cars, this is going to be hard to accomplish. But with the current state of the Procede tune, if you shift fast enough, you get almost the same effect but with far less transmission stress. With fast shifts, the actual throttle blade won't close fully which means that the bypass valves won't vent. And you end up holding ~10psi between gears. If you get it right, you'll know it because it literally feels like you are doing flat foot shifts with a dog box.

Shiv

How fast do you have to shift... Is there basically a delay in the DME throttle closure upon lifting your foot?

Completed shift considered accelerator pedal 100% to 100%?

[Litos]

you can either shift it lightning quick or you can shift it like normal.

even if it takes you a full second to shift, it should still hold.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I think people need to understand that flat foot shifting is really only useful in small engine/big turbo combinations. We used it in 400+hp evos running 20+psi of boost. The advantage of it is that the engine unloads without having to close the throttle. Which means that the bypass valves don't vent the boost. Which means that you hold boost through the shift and don't require as much spool-up in the next gear.

in the case of the n54 or other drive-by-wire cars, this is going to be hard to accomplish. But with the current state of the Procede tune, if you shift fast enough, you get almost the same effect but with far less transmission stress. With fast shifts, the actual throttle blade won't close fully which means that the bypass valves won't vent. And you end up holding ~10psi between gears. If you get it right, you'll know it because it literally feels like you are doing flat foot shifts with a dog box.

Shiv

I'll try to dig up my datalogs to see if this is really the case with my shifting on my 6MT..with 6AT sure that's the case, but I'm pretty sure we're dropping boost between shifts and building back up again...

even with my 0.17-0.25sec shifts I was loosing boost between shifts and there's no way I can shift, full lift, faster than that...

Do you have datalogs off your 6MT showing boost holding 10psi or more between shifts?

This is just one part of it though, the other is boost off the line which I also would very much like...6ATs can't have all that fun man, something has to be done

[Litos]

if your car makes 17psi and then falls to 12 or 13psi at redline, the car will probably hold 13psi during the flat footed shift.

once you let off the clutch your car will instantly jump back up to 17psi.

disclaimer: all of my posts in this thread was experience with the SRT4.

[Litos]

i had launch control and WOT Shift tuned into my STi and it didn't feel ANYTHING like the SRT4.

SRT4 was brilliantly smooth. the STi felt as if the tranny was about to fly out. i did it about 5 times and decided it wasn't for me.....

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

How fast do you have to shift... Is there basically a delay in the DME throttle closure upon lifting your foot?

Completed shift considered accelerator pedal 100% to 100%?

DME Throttle doesn't move as fast and this is exactly the reason for boost loss between shifts...it doesn't follow your foot exactly and from my logs there's definitely evidence of boost dropping between shifts, way below 10psi and building up again...

When I spoke with Shiv last summer when I was at the track they ran out of race gas so I was trying to get my meth flowing through the shifts as much as possible...because boost wouldn't hold through shifts Shiv suggested dropping my min value for meth to 4psi so I'd try spraying through shifts

Shiv, you seriously need to add this to the procede man

Originally Posted by Litos

you can either shift it lightning quick or you can shift it like normal.

even if it takes you a full second to shift, it should still hold.

Agree!