[sflgator]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

Price isnt a big deal to me... its the fact of paying that much for something that does nothing. Personally I will pay 500 bucks more to get PROcede just because of the support and actual R&D that goes behind their product... sure AA and other offer products but I dont want this to be a "what one to get" thread becuase we all know the reasons.

its kind of like you get what you pay for.

and I would LOVE to see your dyno of 8whp that you gained from an intake on your 325... can you please show us.?

You have to remember your car was N/A and this a TC car that is completley different.

Honestly if we made 10 WHP from this intake, it would be something to consider...but to make 2HP and thats to the crank...is not worth it.

sorry your angry for hearing the truth...

+1...it's not about the $$; rather, it's about getting an actual "bang for your buck." The PROcede has a very decent bang for your buck at ~ $21.66/WHP; other items like this intake do not have a similar ratio, which is why it should be priced ~ $300 or less, imho.

[AJ M2 comp]

Originally Posted by Bavariansdom

Please understand that we are selling the same intake that is being sold for $1800 for nearly half the price.

How many intakes do you think group M is selling for $1800? I think I have seen 1 maybe 2 people on here who have bought them for the 335i. I am not saying $900 isnt worth it or that you guys are trying to rip people off but justifying your high cost by comparing it to an overpriced product isnt going to inspire me to get my checkbook out anytime soon.

I think the reason Shiv is doing so well selling his product is because he posted every step of his research and development efforts on this forum. People realize all the hard work that has gone into his product and feel more comfortable spending the money on it. How much money have you spent on research and development? Honestly when I read your post with no pics or dynos I doubt that you have even produced a single unit yet and because of that I cant justify spending the money on it.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by sflgator

+1...it's not about the $$; rather, it's about getting an actual "bang for your buck." The PROcede has a very decent bang for your buck at ~ $21.66/WHP; other items like this intake do not have a similar ratio, which is why it should be priced ~ $300 or less, imho.

Go talk to someone who mods a japanese car, like a 240sx, a Supra, a 3000GT, etc. Those guys are willing to spend $1000 on cam gears that produce maybe 20hp more, an underpulley set that costs $500 and produces 7hp more, exhausts that give you another 15hp for $1000, and yes intakes that produce maybe 10hp more at around $250, etc. Tuners want to squeeze every ounce of power out of their vehicles and pay to do that. But they dont complain about the pricing because they understand that you have to pay to play and you get quality at those prices depending on where you buy them from.

The price is high, but nevertheless if Bavariandom produces a dyno sheet with gains of 10-15whp for $899, then please dont come here and tell us that you can justify paying twice that price for an exhaust that produces the say power gain because it makes that car sound better. That just makes you a poser.

Look at my sig. This intake is the next step for me. And stop bringing up the an EMS like a PROcede and comparing it to an intake, apples and oranges bro.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Go talk to someone who mods a japanese car, like a 240sx, a Supra, a 3000GT, etc. Those guys are willing to spend $1000 on cam gears that produce maybe 20hp more, an underpulley set that costs $500 and produces 7hp more, exhausts that give you another 15hp for $1000, and yes intakes that produce maybe 10hp more at around $250, etc. Tuners want to squeeze every ounce of power out of their vehicles and pay to do that. But they dont complain about the pricing because they understand that you have to pay to play and you get quality at those prices depending on where you buy them from.

The price is high, but nevertheless if Bavariandom produces a dyno sheet with gains of 10-15whp for $899, then please dont come here and tell us that you can justify paying twice that price for an exhaust that produces the say power gain because it makes that car sound better. That just makes you a poser.

Look at my sig. This intake is the next step for me. And stop bringing up the an EMS like a PROcede and comparing it to an intake, apples and oranges bro.

Like I said b4, there are differing opinions and priorities here. Some don't think it's worth spending $900+ on an air intake which only has a gain of ~ 10HP or less, while others such as yourself think that's great. It's not my money you're spending, so I don't care if you put another $10,000+ into your own 335i. Personally, I don't see why ppl would do that, unless you race your car for a living (or as a hobby) or show it.

If it were me and I was looking to do that, I'd probably just buy a better, more expensive car in the first place. The mods that I purchased and installed after I received my 335i cost me less than $4,000 (PROcede, MTEC HID angel eye bulbs, wheels, tires, and Painted Rear Lip Spoiler). I made my CA throw in the window tint and SS Pedals into my deal, so those don't count. I don't plan on doing anything else, unless something really great comes along.

Obviously, you tend to go "all out" with your cars, while some just like the basic mods that either make the car faster and more powerful, handle better, or look better and more unique (and some like no mods at all). Everyone has their own personal priorities that he/she decides to spend money on.

btw -- as you can see from my sig, I don't have an aftermarket exhaust...the stock exhaust, although a little more restrictive than some aftermarket ones, sounds and performs just fine for me, thank you very much. However, if I were to purchase an exhaust for the 335i, I don't think I'd spend more than $1,500 for one...again, it's got to be a "good bang for your buck."

[BavDom]

This has gotten too far, this thread is not about talking down to others about whether or not they choose to mod their cars. I am contacting the Moderators and reporting everyone. I have kept patience but this is ridiculous.

[Mr. 5]

Well, I'm still thinking about it.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Bavariansdom

This has gotten too far, this thread is not about talking down to others about whether or not they choose to mod their cars. I am contacting the Moderators and reporting everyone. I have kept patience but this is ridiculous.

Please don't take it personally. You posted this up here for discussion; maybe you posted this in the wrong section perhaps...should've just been in the "SPONSORS Classifieds/Groupbuys/Specials Area," instead of in the "General Forced Induction and 335i Engine Talk" section. This section is really for "discussion," which is what we're all doing. Nobody is killing each other over it; we all just have varying opinions.

Regardless, any premature posting (without dynos, testimonials, detailed info, pictures, etc.) like this will inevitably bring about "heated" discussions. As soon as you get some dynos posted, this might assist in the discussion.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by Bavariansdom

This has gotten too far, this thread is not about talking down to others about whether or not they choose to mod their cars. I am contacting the Moderators and reporting everyone. I have kept patience but this is ridiculous.

Yes please dont take it to personal.

this is a discusion forum and not a group buy thread like your other.... so people are going to go back and forth on weather or not its worth it or not worth it, and all the details of it.

and of course this is a forum and people are going to debate about everything.

[BoostedBMW]

Bavdom, just because we are debating here doesn't mean that we aren't interested in your product. I'm sure after we see some pics of the product and some dyno's there will be much less discussion on the topic.

[CassiesMan]

I've noticed something on here...you all have some very strange morals.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

I've noticed something on here...you all have some very strange morals.

ahah.... welcome to enthusiast forums...

[phantome46]

I'd like to see dynos of this and also hear a sound clip of the induction noise.

I had a streamline engineering carbon intake on my BMW Z4 and the sound and extra throttle response was amazing.

[AJ M2 comp]

Originally Posted by Bavariansdom

This has gotten too far, this thread is not about talking down to others about whether or not they choose to mod their cars. I am contacting the Moderators and reporting everyone. I have kept patience but this is ridiculous.

I looked at your group buy thread and didn’t post anything to it because I didn’t want to give you any bad publicity but this is the forum to criticize products. So when you posted here you opened the doors for peoples opinions on your products. If they are good bad warranted or not they are peoples opinions and I will be truly upset if the moderators step in here.

If you think people are wrong about your product then defend yourself. Give us some facts justify your costs.

Do you even have one made yet? If so why haven’t you post any pictures? Why haven’t you put it on a dyno yet?

I think you are just trying to drum up business before you shell out the money to make the mold and start production but thats just my personal opinion.

[Fubarsky]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

I've noticed something on here...you all have some very strange morals.

Hmmm. morals on the BMW thread. How in the HELL do you think we afford these things. Tithing has been good brother. Pass the plate one more time. Amen sucker!!

Fubarsky tic

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by AJ 335TT

I looked at your group buy thread and didn’t post anything to it because I didn’t want to give you any bad publicity but this is the forum to criticize products. So when you posted here you opened the doors for peoples opinions on your products. If they are good bad warranted or not they are peoples opinions and I will be truly upset if the moderators step in here.

If you think people are wrong about your product then defend yourself. Give us some facts justify your costs.

Do you even have one made yet? If so why haven’t you post any pictures? Why haven’t you put it on a dyno yet?

I think you are just trying to drum up business before you shell out the money to make the mold and start production but thats just my personal opinion.

He already stated earlier that he needed to know how many people would be willing to purchase an intake before their production. Then the wait time would be 60-90 days.

I'm sure he'll be making one soon and putting the info up in time.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by AJ 335TT

I looked at your group buy thread and didn’t post anything to it because I didn’t want to give you any bad publicity but this is the forum to criticize products. So when you posted here you opened the doors for peoples opinions on your products. If they are good bad warranted or not they are peoples opinions and I will be truly upset if the moderators step in here.

If you think people are wrong about your product then defend yourself. Give us some facts justify your costs.

Do you even have one made yet? If so why haven’t you post any pictures? Why haven’t you put it on a dyno yet?

I think you are just trying to drum up business before you shell out the money to make the mold and start production but thats just my personal opinion.

+1 instead of telling mods that people on the forum are debating about your product, it is best to chime in and back it with technical information.

as said before, DYNO #'s would help, pictures, etc.

Last thing we want to do is bash your product, which we are not.... we are just stating what we have seen in the past plus people are giving their opinions on the product.

me personaly i dont think the money is worth what you will get out of it....however it would be awesome if you can prove us wrong and show us some good numbers.

hope this helps, and for geting more product options out for the 335! Keep it up!

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

as said before, DYNO #'s would help, pictures, etc.

A link to Gruppe M's website will do.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by WilyB

A link to Gruppe M's website will do.

for pictures yea, but for dyno I checked on there and I couldnt find one...but maybe i didnt search enough.

[Coldintake]

Originally Posted by Bavariansdom

This has gotten too far, this thread is not about talking down to others about whether or not they choose to mod their cars. I am contacting the Moderators and reporting everyone. I have kept patience but this is ridiculous.

I don't think threatening your target customers and their friends is a good way to sell a product.

1800 for an intake? 900 for an intake? I wouldn't pay over 400-450 shipped. It's not about being cheap. That's like saying dropping 12k on rims. You get to a point where it's down right obscene.

I've bought and resold several intakes, IMO the ECIS intake at ~ 300 is probably the best around. Probably go with them when they make one.

[judec]

Well, reading this is really funny. U ppl are crazy.
1. "Every chain is only as strong as its weakest link". This is the basic rule for a tuner. That means that imho on your cars the intake is not the weak point yet. But if U continue to upgrade (or to be more exact if U want to), U get to the point where your intake will be the weakest link. Then if U wanna go further, U'll have no other option, like to buy an intake, even for 1800$. But that point is still far far away from getting a pigtail and a bigger exhaust. I think the intake limitation is not relevant at this point.
2. If U buy a custom intake now, your gains will be maybe irrelevant. See my 1. point + to get real gain from such mods the ECU also needs to be modded (or more likely the pigtail in your case) just to let the car know it can breathe more easily, what makes some further adjustments possible.
3. The price/HP raises with more and more HP. See points 1. and 2. and think about it. It's not a question of the cost of manufacturing. Yeah yeah, r&d is also hidden there, but as the HP/TQ grows, the class (or stage) of the mods grows too and the number of potential customers falls down rapidly not only because of the price, but also because there isn't so many crazy tuners around willing to change the car part-by-part, so the price is much higher. Non-hardcore tuners won't buy such stuff even for lower price, hardcore tuners would give even more...

So the bitching here is pointless. IMHO U don't need the intake, will gain almost 0 buying it and the price is OK for anyone who think they need one.

PS: I own 2 Saab 9000 Aero's, 250/330HP. Just about to switch one of them for a 335i. Believe me, I know what am I talking about. I was testing a 500HP troll-made beast with stock intake (and the shortblock and the aircondition compressor was also stock)

[WAYNEBO]

2hp gain for a $900 intake? Guess they R&D dollars spent must be recouped. Good luck on that rip-off.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by judec

PS: I own 2 Saab 9000 Aero's, 250/330HP. Just about to switch one of them for a 335i. Believe me, I know what am I talking about. I was testing a 500HP troll-made beast with stock intake (and the shortblock and the aircondition compressor was also stock)

then you should know that the stock intake is good for a lot more power than what we are already seing and a drop in air filter is will sufice rather than the aftermarket intake system that will gain very little if anything.

stock intake system is already a "cold air intake" system and BMW designed it this way for a reason. Alot of turbo cars from the factory are already built with a good intake system.

on My Audi's we have seen a power LOSS with after market intake system and the best power we saw was from the factory box.