[Straz M3]

If it makes it to the US

[sdiver68]

For those still confused, if you are wanting the fastest acceleration start from a standstill, make sure you hit the button and DTC light is on.

[Straz M3]

lol but am I right or wrong that when you push that button you can get more tire spin without the car interfering. That I know is right because I am going to show you it in a video tonight

[Straz M3]

lol but am I right or wrong that when you push that button you can get more tire spin without the car interfering. That I know is right because I am going to show you it in a video tonight

[tctic]

Originally Posted by Straz 335

lol but am I right or wrong that when you push that button you can get more tire spin without the car interfering. That I know is right because I am going to show you it in a video tonight

Depends on how you look at it. The car does intervene by applying the brakes to the wheel that is spinning so that the wheel with more traction can get the car going faster.

In slippery conditions, DTC mode (pressing the button briefly) lets the wheel have more slippage so that the car can actually plow its way through instead of having DSC cutting the power and therefore the car sitting there not moving at all. The advantage of DTC mode in this condition is that you still have some directional intervention by applying individual brakes when needed as opposed to none at all when early E46 had to turn DSC fully off in situations like this. So now, the E90's get a mode where you can use in slippery conditions so that the car can move and also benefit from stability control as you need it the most under these conditions to drive safely. This is the main marketed usage of DTC by BMW.

However, the DTC mode also has another use. It's used for spirited driving where it will intervene later if turned on. It will also allow the car to accelerate faster by allowing more wheelspin and by applying brakes to the slipping wheel.

On the other argument, you are definitely wrong about DTC being off when pressed briefly. As others have said, it is turned on and is a version of DSC which allows the functions to be carried out as stated above.

[tctic]

Let me redirect those who haven't seen this before or have the patience to read through the repetitive argument on the confusion between DTC and DSC.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45216 (13 pages long!)

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by NoTrash

335i = $41,000 MRSP + PROCEED $1300 = $42,300
RS4 = $66,000 MRSP
$42,300 beats $66,000
'nough said

And a modified Evo will slap the shit out of both of them. Does that make it a better car? I think not. An RS4 is much more balls to the wall than a 335i. It's like an M car. On the same token a 335i is much more refined than an Evo.

Originally Posted by Simple1

OMG how many times are people going to get this wrong?

please read the manual to see what it states, wrong information like this is very scary.

His explanation is correct except for the letter part. The functions were correctly explained.

Originally Posted by n1smo

2. FWD based (60/40 weight distribution)
3. Understeers like nobody's business when pushed to the limited, refer to #2

2) You mean RWD based. It has a 40/60 torque split.
3) Indeed, Audi puts those engines way too far forward, but I don't think the understeer is anywhere near as pronounced as you claim. Ahead of the front axle iirc. Remember, the RS4 easily hands an e46 M3 it's head on a platter, but that's entirely due to power.

Originally Posted by Straz 335

And as for the whole DTC thing you guys are scaring me...read the manual...you are not activating DTC when you press it...you are leaving DSC on and turning DTC off. If you hold the button you are taking both DSC and DTC off hence why you can drive like a maniac. This was the same on my E46 330 as well.

NO. This is wrong. Pressing the button briefly turns DTC on, not off. Read the manual. Your function description was right though.

Originally Posted by sflgator

btw -- in regards to #4, I guess you haven't driven a PROcede-equipped 335i, have you? :rocks:

7k redline, I6, quiet exhaust versus 8250 redline, V8, loud exhaust
I think the RS4 wins the thrills catagory.

Originally Posted by Straz 335

My point more or less was that the car interferes LESS when you tap the DTC button, which it does

Correct.

[ironic]

Originally Posted by KenB

Well that is why you won, everyone knows the red RS4s are that fastest.



..kids today...

werd it's alla bout the red rs4s man, they have extra 100lb/ft

[Straz M3]

Lol Nismo...if what I was trying to get across was wrong then I would pay you 100 in a heartbeat...no 100 is not a lot when you make what I make pal...

My whole philosophy whether I said it turns on or off was that HITTING THAT button will increase ability for more traction by letting the wheels spin freely. This is correct information whether you want to call it turning DTC on or off...To me its taking traction off because the car interferes less...that is always the way I thought...no reason to change now haha

How about we race for 100

[M3onTwomps]

Originally Posted by NoTrash

335i = $41,000 MRSP + PROCEED $1300 = $42,300

RS4 = $66,000 MRSP

$42,300 beats $66,000

'nough said

I've seen Civics beat Vipers.

Doesn't mean I'd rather have the Civic.

[hks786]

Originally Posted by M3onTwomps

I've seen Civics beat Vipers.

Doesn't mean I'd rather have the Civic.

true, a tuned 335i could be faster than the E92 M3, but you would rather have the M3...

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by lvwirelessguy

When you buy an RS4 you are getting Audis flagship sports sedan. When you buy a 335i you are buying a garden variety 3 series.

Reasons why I would take an RS4 over a 335i any day of the week regardless of how much quicker the chipped 335i might be

1. Its very exclusive
2. All wheel drive
3. Outhandles the 335i like nobodys business
4. Has a high revving , powerful, naturally aspirated engine. Sorry guys but the 335i engine is not as thrilling

No worries man. I understand where you're coming from. If I bought a $55-60k car and then the very next year a car that costs $10-15k less can equal the performance or for another $1300 (PROcede) smack my a$$ around, I would be pissed too!

[lvwirelessguy]

Why would I be pissed? I don't own an RS4

Procede just adds more cheap power but does nothing to address what the 335i is lacking in the handling department

[uhaulball]

.... how can u guys say the RS4 COSTS so much MORE than the 335 but the 335 w/ mods is faster and be all cocky about it. and then when someone has a Subaru or S2000 with mods that is so much faster and handle's better than a 335 and costs way less, you guys scream "japanese sucks" germn 4lyfe rofl. what dumb comments. basically everyone in the world should be buying MODDED 3 SERIES or theyre dumb right?! jesus the stupidity....

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by lvwirelessguy

Why would I be pissed? I don't own an RS4

Procede just adds more cheap power but does nothing to address what the 335i is lacking in the handling department

Hmmm...I think I'm with N1smo on this one; at least on the skid pad, the Audi RS4 and BMW 335i are very close (with the 335i having a much better front/rear weight ratio (335i 51%/49% vs. RS4 58%/42%):

2007 Audi RS4, handing = .90g skid pad

2007 BMW 335i, handing = .88g skid pad

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...9/pageId=98163

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117669

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

.... how can u guys say the RS4 COSTS so much MORE than the 335 but the 335 w/ mods is faster and be all cocky about it. and then when someone has a Subaru or S2000 with mods that is so much faster and handle's better than a 335 and costs way less, you guys scream "japanese sucks" germn 4lyfe rofl. what dumb comments. basically everyone in the world should be buying MODDED 3 SERIES or theyre dumb right?! jesus the stupidity....

not to disagree with you, but...

the difference between an S2K and a 335i is much much bigger than the difference between the RS4 and the 335i...

when you buy a german car, you buy it for more than just performance, and it's great to see a car like the 335i having such power with an easy modification...

but if you mod a subaru, you still have only power...

[uhaulball]

Originally Posted by BMW320i

not to disagree with you, but...

the difference between an S2K and a 335i is much much bigger than the difference between the RS4 and the 335i...

when you buy a german car, you buy it for more than just performance, and it's great to see a car like the 335i having such power with an easy modification...

but if you mod a subaru, you still have only power...

a rs4 is not to be compared to a 335... just as a subaru is not to be compared with a 335. we have the same point.

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by n1smo

The way you phrase that line, "When you buy a German car" leaves a sour taste in my mouth and make me think of the phrase, "badge whore".

German car = VW , audi, bmw, merc, opel, porsche, ....

tooo many badges to be a "badge whore" dont u think??

and tell me that im wrong, but german cars has soo much more than performance, unlike some japanese cars...

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Sorry, but you are incorrect; N1smo and I (and the others) are right...just read my 335i manual about DTC and DSC. N1smo quoted the manual...

"DTC Dynamic Traction Control
DTC is a version of DSC in which the drive output
is optimized for particular road conditions,
e.g. unplowed snow-covered roads. The system
assures the maximal drive output, but with
reduced driving stability. It is therefore necessary
to drive with appropriate caution.
You may find it useful to briefly activate DTC
under the following special circumstances:
> When driving uphill on snow-covered roads,
in slush or on unplowed, snow-covered
roads
> When rocking a stuck vehicle free or starting
off in deep snow or on loose ground
> When driving with snow chains
Activating DTC
Press the button; the indicator lamps for DTC in
the instrument cluster come on.
To control
If the indicator lamp flashes:
DTC controls the drive forces and
brake forces.
If the indicator lamps are on:
DTC has been activated.
Deactivating DTC
Press the button again; the DTC indicator
lamps in the instrument cluster go out."

Now, you may "think" what you're doing by quickly pushing the DTC button, you're turning DTC off, but in fact you're actually turning DTC on...that's why when you did this and tried to go up your driveway in the snow, you could get up there since it gave you better traction and left DSC on (so you don't slide around sideways). You may have still had a little wheel/tires spin, but you would've just be spinning your wheels; without activating DTC, you wouldn't have been able to go up your snowy driveway at all, or at the very least, it would've been more of a struggle.

The only thing we all agree about (and that's true according to the manual) is if you push and hold the DTC button for at least 3 sec., it will in fact turn OFF both DTC and DSC...traction control and stability control are deactivated...not recommended btw.

Also, when the indicator light flashes (not the DTC lamp, but the triangle indicator lamp), it means that DTC is intervening and doing its job...yes, it applies brake forces and drive forces, but ultimately what it's doing is giving you better traction. This is why ppl with PROcede 335i's (including myself) get the best 0-60mph and 1/4 mi. times from a launch by activating DTC (1 quick push of the DTC button), b/c it aids in traction from a standstill and helps you hook up and go, go, go!

However, when I was on track in standard mode..when the car got squirrelly...something turned off and slowed the car down..when I hit the DTC button once..it was less invasive..and I could drive the car faster thru the corners. I know what the manual says..but I am talking about what happened to me on track. I have not tried the all the way off version..(3-4 second button push) yet.

[SunnyD]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

.... how can u guys say the RS4 COSTS so much MORE than the 335 but the 335 w/ mods is faster and be all cocky about it. and then when someone has a Subaru or S2000 with mods that is so much faster and handle's better than a 335 and costs way less, you guys scream "japanese sucks" germn 4lyfe rofl. what dumb comments. basically everyone in the world should be buying MODDED 3 SERIES or theyre dumb right?! jesus the stupidity....

+1

So if u proceded guys got whooped by a modded evo which costs less than your 335, what would your reaction be?

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

.... how can u guys say the RS4 COSTS so much MORE than the 335 but the 335 w/ mods is faster and be all cocky about it. and then when someone has a Subaru or S2000 with mods that is so much faster and handle's better than a 335 and costs way less, you guys scream "japanese sucks" germn 4lyfe rofl. what dumb comments. basically everyone in the world should be buying MODDED 3 SERIES or theyre dumb right?! jesus the stupidity....

+2 the hypocrisy on the board is maddening some times...if you get beat, you get beat. If I go out right now and get my ass handed to me in either car by anything, the bottom line is I lost, period. No excuses.....

[RaptorKTM]

Originally Posted by lvwirelessguy

When you buy an RS4 you are getting Audis flagship sports sedan. When you buy a 335i you are buying a garden variety 3 series.

Reasons why I would take an RS4 over a 335i any day of the week regardless of how much quicker the chipped 335i might be

1. Its very exclusive
2. All wheel drive
3. Outhandles the 335i like nobodys business
4. Has a high revving , powerful, naturally aspirated engine. Sorry guys but the 335i engine is not as thrilling

+10000

335 maybe fast which even i am impressed with but i still want to race a 335 procede before i believe these figures of being 2 or 3 car lengths ahead because M5's have a hard time pulling on me at all so im not sure how the 335 just blows me out according to some of these posts. But anyways there is no question id jump on an RS4 even if the 335 had 1000hp