[N3M35IS]

Just installed stg 2 in my car today. Drives awesome (same feeling as stg 2 in n54). will be dynoing it later today. only thing is when i dyno-ed my car last year for a base number it was on a mustang dyno. The dyno that will be used today is a dynojet. but excited to see numbers =]

[Sam335ix]

Nice, let us know man...

[Slops]

Originally Posted by N3M35IS

Just installed stg 2 in my car today. Drives awesome (same feeling as stg 2 in n54). will be dynoing it later today. only thing is when i dyno-ed my car last year for a base number it was on a mustang dyno. The dyno that will be used today is a dynojet. but excited to see numbers =]

wow thats pretty awesome man. Would be nice to see some numbers.

[benzo23]

Dont get me wrong, Im the first to admit regardless of the nay sayers on here ive always loved dinan products. But jesus christ 2k for 50 hp? I guess it is what it is tho, dinan tune, exhaust, downpipes, FMIC, youre going to have one badass setup theres no doubt about that.

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

Can you confirm what you said is fact? If you have dinan that you can can not CPO your car after the warranty runs out??

First Dinan's Warranty Statement (from their website) (new warranty)

CARS COVERED BY THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE MANUFACTURER'S NEW CAR LIMITED WARRANTY

US and Canadian Specification Vehicles Only

If your vehicle is currently covered by the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty, Dinan products are warranted for the remaining term of the vehicle manufacturer's new car limited warranty. The manufacturer's new car warranty is limited to 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 kilometers in Canada), commencing on the date of first retail sale or the date the vehicle is first placed in-service as a demonstrator or company vehicle, whichever is earlier. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan products were originally installed is sold.

Next up is Dinan's Warranty on

CARS NO LONGER COVERED BY THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE MANUFACTURER'S NEW CAR LIMITED WARRANTY

Dinan Performance Products are warranted for a 2-year, unlimited mileage period from the date of original purchase. Dinan's warranties are transferable when ownership of the vehicle into which the Dinan products were originally installed is sold.

-So My understanding is if you Purchase your car NEW, you get 4 years of Dinan warranty in place of BMW's warranty right?

-So My understanding is if you purchase a used BMW, that is no longer covered by BMW's Warranty, and you get Dinan parts installed, you get two years of warranty (which could be considered CPO warranty).

-BUT, if you purchase your BMW new and get Dinan's Warranty for their parts (when you bought your BMW new) they don't offer an additional two year warranty on the car, after the 4 years runs out, and if you try to go to BMW for a CPO warranty, they won't because your car has already been flagged for having DINAN installed...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but people should realize this if they plan to keep the car for longer than 4 years... Don't get me wrong though, I am not trying to scare anyone from Dinan... For Peace of mind (warranty) there is no better choice, you pay a premium, but you are covered (regardless of the horror stories others have shared). But I think people should ensure that they are not able to get a CPO warranty because of prior DINAN install... I think someone in this thread already confirmed that CPO warranty is not available after getting Dinan though..

[Sam335ix]

^^ that sucks, why the f would anyone do this then? Now I have no choice but to wait for Cobb lol.

[Dozhdbog]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

^^ that sucks, why the f would anyone do this then? Now I have no choice but to wait for Cobb lol.

Because many consider it the safest, most reliable, most integrated tune on the market, and want that factory matching warranty.

[Sam335ix]

Correct but what if you want to keep your car past the orginaly warranty? BMW does not offer CPO for a car that has been tuned by Dinan...

[Dozhdbog]

I am fairly new to BMW modding, and I know I have a lot to learn, but these forums have a strong bias against dinan as far as I've read.
Based on my research, I can easily understand why someone would go with Dinan over Cobb or Procede etc -Dinan offers the most integrated and reliable solution backed up by a warranty that no other tune offers.
Also, I can easily understand why someone would go with Procede or Cobb over Dinan -the Procede et al are highly affordable and offer great hp/tq gains. What I don't get is why people bash one mod over another.

[Dozhdbog]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

Correct but what if you want to keep your car past the orginaly warranty? BMW does not offer CPO for a car that has been tuned by Dinan...

As far as tunes go, Dinan offers more warranty guarantees than any other. If you are really concerned about CPOing your car, then don't get a tune at all. My SA told me that it is not hard to discern if there has ever been a tune applied to your vehicle, and I imagine if you're going to CPO the car, they will check for one.

[Dozhdbog]

As it says somewhere here in the forums: Mod at your own risk.

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

^^ that sucks, why the f would anyone do this then? Now I have no choice but to wait for Cobb lol.

They do it, because during the initial 4 year warranty period, they are covered, no matter what... Whether it is BMW or Dinan (Dinan is footing the bill, because you paid their warranty up sell).

Now, not sure how this works, but lets say you got dinan exhaust, suspension and every other bolt-on (but not the tune). You would have dinan warranty for 4 years... After the 4 years, decided to get the Tune and then get an additional 2 years? Or vice versa (get the tune for 4 years, then get all other mods after the 4 years, for an additional two years?)

[Sam335ix]

I just checked with Dinan, yes you can not CPO the car but he said you can always get an extended warranty from BMW.. Now I have to look in to that.

[D.B.S]

BMW's extended warranty is $2500, but just like their 'regular' warranty, you have to keep in mind your VIN is flagged for Having Dinan... So they can use that against you to not do warranty work... "oh well you have a dinan tune, so we won't replace that cracked charge pipe, unless you pay out of pocket." Read that extended warranty VERY carefully...

[b2nvs2001]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

I just checked with Dinan, yes you can not CPO the car but he said you can always get an extended warranty from BMW.. Now I have to look in to that.

Sam, trust me, I was literally in the position you are describing. You cannot - repeat cannot - get a bmw extended warranty.

I promise you if it were possible, the dealer that I was trying to buy my car from after lease would have sold that to me. The sales manager tried everything to help me (and sell a car). We looked specifically into other alternatives like the slightly more expensive "extended warranty."

The only possible thing the dealer can sell is their own version of a third party warranty backed by xxx -(enter third party vendor here). If I wanted to go that route (with all the hassle and ?problems involved), I would have got a third party warranty through my own research.
I was not prepared to do this.

Whats ironic is that while it may have been a tad (alright a lot) illegal to put in some other 3rd party mod, BMW probably would not have found out and I could have kept that car. The dealer told me that DINAN, as soon as they modded my car, emailed BMW NA with my VIN telling them that my car was now modified by them. They even showed me the date of report. Therefore, this info would be on every BMW dealer computer in the country. It would not be possible for me to get CPO or extended warranty from that point forward. Indeed, my sales associate, after he tired to do everything for me, even recommended that I go to another BMW dealer to try to make a deal happen because he felt so sorry for me! But for the above reasons, this was not possible either.

Thats why I unfortunately had to walk away. I loved the car that I left at the dealer. Just wish that I had been more informed about my purchase (or DINAN has been a little more open in informing me - as they are now) before I went for it. 1600 dollars + my car down the tube.

[D.B.S]

@b2nvs2001 , that sucks, but it's good that you can inform the uninformed... But people need to take from this, that DINAN is a good option if you want warranty, but once warranty runs out, you are TOTALLY on your own, no CPO, No Extended...

This thread should not serve as a means to keep people from Dinan, because it's a good option for those who are warranty inclined (also Dinan's Stage 2 is Obviously A LOT better than BMW's PPK option in terms of power).

IF you plan on CPO'ing or Extended Warranting the Car, then it's better to:

A. Go with BMW PPK option
B. Don't Tune your car at all, unless you can revert back to stock easily for the CPO/Extended Warranty Inspection.
C. Don't modify at all (stay stock)

[Freelo]

Sounds to me that Dinan puts you at a huge disadvantage past the initial new car warranty.

The reality is it's easy to take out piggyback or Cobb tunes and then go in for warranty service. My brother has an e92 with two run-ins with HPFP and injector problems. Both times he just took off the tune and had all repairs completed on warranty. No questions were asked. While the dealer could possibly try to ferret out if there was a tune, posts on this forum suggest in most cases they do not.

One more question -- when you sell your car can you sell the Dinan tune to another buyer? I'd not then that raises the effective cost even higher relative to Cobb or piggy backs.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

I am fairly new to BMW modding, and I know I have a lot to learn, but these forums have a strong bias against dinan as far as I've read.
Based on my research, I can easily understand why someone would go with Dinan over Cobb or Procede etc -Dinan offers the most integrated and reliable solution backed up by a warranty that no other tune offers.
Also, I can easily understand why someone would go with Procede or Cobb over Dinan -the Procede et al are highly affordable and offer great hp/tq gains. What I don't get is why people bash one mod over another.

Its like bose speakers, everyone bashes them for being expensive but that I all I have in my house, I have used all other brands and for the money I feel like bose is the best so the same goes for Dinan vs other brands... Dinan is great and the warranty is also great but what if you want to CPO you car later? It will be much easier to use Cobb and just take it out and then get your CPO done. I am kicking my self for buying this car, I should have bought an M3 or an M5 but I was trying to be practicle and get an all wheel drive since I already have a 540i m sport package rwd.... I dropped money on winter tires and it there is no snow lol... Ok Rant over.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by Freelo

Sounds to me that Dinan puts you at a huge disadvantage past the initial new car warranty.

The reality is it's easy to take out piggyback or Cobb tunes and then go in for warranty service. My brother has an e92 with two run-ins with HPFP and injector problems. Both times he just took off the tune and had all repairs completed on warranty. No questions were asked. While the dealer could possibly try to ferret out if there was a tune, posts on this forum suggest in most cases they do not.

One more question -- when you sell your car can you sell the Dinan tune to another buyer? I'd not then that raises the effective cost even higher relative to Cobb or piggy backs.

I agree to a point, you have the advantage the first 4 years but you are screwed if you end up keeping the car.. You are also screwing the next person over if you do sell the car because they cant get an extended warranty or CPO. This is something that is huge and should be pointed out to everyone thinking of getting Dinan.

[redz06]

If BMW is flagging the VIN in their records for Dinan installs, how come we keep hearing about DINAN cars having their software accidentally overwritten later when their cars are at BMW dealers for other service? Does one BMW hand not know what the other is doing?

Originally Posted by Army335xi

BMW's extended warranty is $2500, but just like their 'regular' warranty, you have to keep in mind your VIN is flagged for Having Dinan... So they can use that against you to not do warranty work... "oh well you have a dinan tune, so we won't replace that cracked charge pipe, unless you pay out of pocket." Read that extended warranty VERY carefully...

[redz06]

Please post the curves when you get them. I am particularly interested in seeing the torque vs rpm curve.

Unless you track your car, it's not all about the peak HP. One of my previous rides was a Porsche 944 Turbo. I owned the car for a lot of years and I had the engine computer reflashed with a tune by a company called Autothority.

The original flash that I purchased had a strong pull all the way up to redine, with a fat midrange torque peaking at 3000 rpm. Autothority had some problems with the tune. It was so strong that owners who tracked their cars were having head gasket issues. In order to get better longevity, Autothority released version 2.0 that pulled back the boost and timing a bit over 5000 rpm, and the reliability issues went away. Version 2.0 still had the fat torque peak at 3000 rpm.

For me, the fat torque peak at 3000 rpm was worth far more than the ultimate HP, especially once you factor reliability in to the mix. Another plus was that the driveability of the modified car was far better than stock, and fuel mileage was unaffected. Of course, there are always tradeoffs. When I tracked the car on a cool crisp day with V 1.0, I could completely bury the speedometer at the end of the straight. With V 2.0, it was not happening.

End of story. Back to the software question with Dinan. I think maybe I can live with only 355 HP, if the 401 ft-lb torque peak is real and well distributed.

Originally Posted by N3M35IS

Just installed stg 2 in my car today. Drives awesome (same feeling as stg 2 in n54). will be dynoing it later today. only thing is when i dyno-ed my car last year for a base number it was on a mustang dyno. The dyno that will be used today is a dynojet. but excited to see numbers =]

[b2nvs2001]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

I agree to a point, you have the advantage the first 4 years but you are screwed if you end up keeping the car.. You are also screwing the next person over if you do sell the car because they cant get an extended warranty or CPO. This is something that is huge and should be pointed out to everyone thinking of getting Dinan.

Yeah, about that rant. Not trying to be bad but you need to hear speakers from B&W, meridian active and martin logan before you go on about how great bose is. Also, with regards to amps, krell is excellent and home cinema, lexicon, meridian and others make great stuff. Subs: look at REL, m&k and velodyne.

While bose is considered good for general , casual and trendy listeners, true "audiophiles" (not saying that I am one), say that it truly is not that great. What it is is convenient and fashionable. Actually, very similar to the principle of DINAN - for 4 years at least.

Sorry, I miss having nice hifi in the states, and for sounding like a douche.