[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by pits200

I just wonder why BMW wouldn't have incorporated a manifold sensor instead straight from the factory.

Because when only running low boost pressures with the stock tune, the low capacity manifold pressure sensor when combined with throttle blade angle and charge pipe pressure information, is good enough for DME load determination.

[Skrba]

When we will have pricing on this single turbo kit?

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by Skrba

When we will have pricing on this single turbo kit?

When they release it..

[C4sF80M3]

So does this mean that the Rev 2.5 upgrades will need to be replaced for Rev 3's now?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by c4s335i

So does this mean that the Rev 2.5 upgrades will need to be replaced for Rev 3's now?

Nope. The rev2.5 has an unused analog input for an external MAP sensor.

[Skrba]

Originally Posted by Dmacc

When they release it..

I hope it won't be more expensive than HPF kit priced at 5995$ !

[Skrba]

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[Skrba]

Anything more expensive than this is subject to BMW tax )) having in mind that we will get more or less same hardware for our cars. I would like to hear any fair reason for more agressive pricing.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Skrba

Anything more expensive than this is subject to BMW tax )) having in mind that we will get more or less same hardware for our cars. I would like to hear any fair reason for more agressive pricing.

lol seriously?

you want FFTEC to set a price based on another platform they have fabricated for? you think the same exact components are used across all cars?

also, look closer, there is no tuning solution whatsoever in that parts list.

Id be SHOCKED if this kit came in under $5,500-$6,000. Similar turbo kits for e36's are anywhere from 7k - 10k for a point of reference.

[happy4nk8er]

SKRBA your approach on this pricing is pretty clueless. I suggest you by the evo kit and modify it for your car. Oh and don't forget 4 cylinder vs. 6, plus add the FMIC, Meth, Procede, driveline upgrades etc. etc.

[pits200]

Originally Posted by Sniz

lol seriously?

you want FFTEC to set a price based on another platform they have fabricated for? you think the same exact components are used across all cars?

also, look closer, there is no tuning solution whatsoever in that parts list.

Id be SHOCKED if this kit came in under $5,500-$6,000. Similar turbo kits for e36's are anywhere from 7k - 10k for a point of reference.

I think a decent majority of people who are looking into a single turbo already have some upgrades which can be incorporated.

Someone who already has the following:

1.) Shivs meth kit =$1,000
2.) Rev 3 = $1000

So I wouldn't expect it to be $2,000 less right off the bat since it would be a bundle price with the turbo. But pretty much if you have those 2 main mods that would carry over to the single turbo, it should help your pocketbook a little bit I'd guess.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by pits200

I think a decent majority of people who are looking into a single turbo already have some upgrades which can be incorporated.

Someone who already has the following:

1.) Shivs meth kit =$1,000
2.) Rev 3 = $1000

So I wouldn't expect it to be $2,000 less right off the bat since it would be a bundle price with the turbo. But pretty much if you have those 2 main mods that would carry over to the single turbo, it should help your pocketbook a little bit I'd guess.

agreed, but buy a stock n54, then buy a single turbo kit and all supporting mods such as clutch and other drivetrain mods and I'd expect to have 10k in the upgrades including install work. probably more.

we'll see.

[Skrba]

My point is that HPF pricing was fair and that more than 5995$ is no way to be justified except we have to pay more because it is BMW! We will see... But i would like too see some sense here and when i see some members saying kit will be around 8-10k it just make me laugh. Anything more than 6k is too expensive... We are talking 2x$ than RB turbos!!! Back than RB turbos were No 1 upgrade but how many people got them??? Not to many, now we will be talking at least double this $$$ so i do not think number of people will double as well, rather opposite.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Skrba

My point is that HPF pricing was fair and that more than 5995$ is no way to be justified except we have to pay more because it is BMW! We will see... But i would like too see some sense here and when i see some members saying kit will be around 8-10k it just make me laugh. Anything more than 6k is too expensive... We are talking 2x$ than RB turbos!!! Back than RB turbos were No 1 upgrade but how many people got them??? Not to many, now we will be talking at least double this $$$ so i do not think number of people will double as well, rather opposite.

RBs are turbos only... no downpipe, no intake, no MAP sensor, no exhaust manifold, no dump pipe, IC pipe, etc. I think you are being unrealistic to think this will be near RB pricing.

Vishnu and FFTEC deserve to make some money on this. While others were showing us dispectful 3 year teaser threads, these guys have built a kit, dyno tested it, and done a air strip run for us. That is the way you do it.

[Presidio335xi]

Originally Posted by Skrba

My point is that HPF pricing was fair and that more than 5995$ is no way to be justified except we have to pay more because it is BMW! We will see... But i would like too see some sense here and when i see some members saying kit will be around 8-10k it just make me laugh. Anything more than 6k is too expensive... We are talking 2x$ than RB turbos!!! Back than RB turbos were No 1 upgrade but how many people got them??? Not to many, now we will be talking at least double this $$$ so i do not think number of people will double as well, rather opposite.

I think you need to keep things in perspective, beside the fact that RB turbos are completely different than Shiv's single.

You will have a +600 whp bmw for less than $60k at the end of the day. One that is still a daily driver (though a ridiculous daily driver).

[themyst]

If FFTEC sells the turbo kit by itself without the Vishnu hardware 6000 isn't out of the question. Problem is the market is quite limited for this product so they need to profit from their R&D a bit. Heck, even RB turbos at 3000 dollars has a very limited market.

The average joe will spend around 5000 to purchase and install RBs, so even then it's not a cheap bang for your buck mod like a tune is for a stock car.

[Q4P]

I am of the tune, meth and downpipe mind set if you want the absolute best bang for your buck...

...but honestly if you;

1) Don't drag race.
2) Don't plan to maximize the potential of your car.
3) Don't do any sort of competitive racing.

Then you will probably be wasting your money on any turbo upgrade. Just my 2 cents.

[AYF80]

Some people just like the feel of power and speed. And having it, is worth the money.

[scalbert]

Nice. But that AEM sensor looks alot like a Honeywell or SSI unit which it certainly is (maybe WIKA). Disappointed you didn't drop me a note as we have various units waiting to be tested.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Q4P

I am of the tune, meth and downpipe mind set if you want the absolute best bang for your buck...

...but honestly if you;

1) Don't drag race.
2) Don't plan to maximize the potential of your car.
3) Don't do any sort of competitive racing.

Then you will probably be wasting your money on any turbo upgrade. Just my 2 cents.

I used to say that until I owned a single turbo car. 600 rwhp on this car is going to be crazy.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

I used to say that until I owned a single turbo car. 600 rwhp on this car is going to be crazy.

agreed, single turbo inline 6's are so much fun. I cant wait to see what comes of the n54 in the next few years. I'm very impressed already.

[dlbrooks18]

Originally Posted by Q4P

I am of the tune, meth and downpipe mind set if you want the absolute best bang for your buck...

...but honestly if you;

1) Don't drag race.
2) Don't plan to maximize the potential of your car.
3) Don't do any sort of competitive racing.

Then you will probably be wasting your money on any turbo upgrade. Just my 2 cents.

Same can be said for anyone who mods a stock BMW.. but we are "enthusiasts" and we enjoy pushing the limits of any platform.. and in the U.S. we don't have an autobahn but are obsessed with big power right.. and even if you don't track or race your car at the drags you want the satisfaction of owning/driving a "highway beast" and all the power available on tap