[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Terry335

I've been racing and doing things like this a long time, the world didn't begin with the 335. So, what is your issue?

I have no issue... I hope you sell 1,000 units. I have always supported your ideas and the contributions that you have made to this forum. I'll stop there since I don't want to get into a pissing match. Keep up the good work , and if people think that your method of tuning (raising boost and letting the stock sensors do the rest) works for them then good for them since its a very cost effective method. I'm just wondering what happens when an o2 sensor or a knock sensor goes bad and since you don't have a map with any type of fuel tables to allow for that extra boost (+2psi or whatever you are currently running) you will be running that extra boost with no fuel. You probably know something that I don't because I am not a tuner and I have never claimed to be one.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

I have no issue... I hope you sell 1,000 units. I have always supported your ideas and the contributions that you have made to this forum. I'll stop there since I don't want to get into a pissing match. Keep up the good work , and if people think that your method of tuning (raising boost and letting the stock sensors do the rest) works for them then good for them since its a very cost effective method. I'm just wondering what happens when an o2 sensor or a knock sensor goes bad and since you don't have a map with any type of fuel tables to allow for that extra boost (+2psi or whatever you are currently running) you will be running that extra boost with no fuel. You probably know something that I don't because I am not a tuner and I have never claimed to be one.

See all you had to do was ask how it works. I don't rely on the factory knock sensors for timing, I keep the boost low enough that the stock timing curve works without knock. On 91 octane I found that to be +2psi. You can get away with +3psi/91 octane on colder days, but once temps get up to around 80 you'll see a little knock retard. Maybe not *that* bad as turbo tuner guys get away with it, but I feel +2psi is safer.

If an o2 or any other sensor goes out, the DME will go in to limp mode. Such a failure would grenade a procede car as quickly as a terry tuner car as quickly as a stock car if the DME didn't catch it. All three rely on o2 sensors for the fuel curve. The difference with a procede (and a terry tuner v2) is they clamp the o2 signal so the DME thinks its running a little leaner than it is, which triggers it to add in extra fuel.

[david1026]

While I am staying out of this argument, I do have a lot of respect for Terry and what he does. I wish I had the understanding to be able to do half of what he has, but instead my skills are concentrated in Finance and Law (just got in ). If people want to buy them, let capitalism run its course I say.

David

[Ado]

Originally Posted by Revlis

Love hearing criticism from an obviously impartial source that is also clearly an expert...

Shut the hell up, you sound like just ANOTHER procede Clone. Blah Blah...

I am certain that the $65 tuner takes just as many years off the life of your car as the procede.

This whole procede, terry tuner thing is pathetic. Both will give you more power, both are shortening the life of your engine. Nothing is free.

Simple as that, the rest of this argument is tired and sad...

You would be surprised how much a good tune means. You can't just simply raise the PSI without having a really good tune to go with it. With that kind of thinking you'll see how fast you'll kill your engine.

When it comes to any of the products, have it be PROCede, XEDE, Turbo Tuner or Terry Tuner they will all raise your PSI but the question ends up being which one has the best tune for that raised PSI. In my opinion and in many others I'd say that the PROCede has exceeded the expectations of every customer and probably even media outlet out there.

Terry, if you want to be taken seriously here get your s*** together. You've got many skeptics on this forum and I think rightfully so as you've brought that upon your self with all the Anti PROCede comments. For starters go out and get a dyno done, if you've spent that much time on this product you need to dyno pony up that $100 and get it dynoed. Secondly since many think your product will simply break their car after a good amount of driving, you too should go out and do a 12 hour endurance run just so that you can show us what will happen to your car after it's put through that much driving.

My 2 (CAD) cents. I think by now they are probably worth the same amount as your US cents heh

[spacedogg]

I want to see dyno numbers!!! Hehe.

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Terry335

See all you had to do was ask how it works. I don't rely on the factory knock sensors for timing, I keep the boost low enough that the stock timing curve works without knock. On 91 octane I found that to be +2psi. You can get away with +3psi/91 octane on colder days, but once temps get up to around 80 you'll see a little knock retard. Maybe not *that* bad as turbo tuner guys get away with it, but I feel +2psi is safer.

If an o2 or any other sensor goes out, the DME will go in to limp mode. Such a failure would grenade a procede car as quickly as a terry tuner car as quickly as a stock car if the DME didn't catch it. All three rely on o2 sensors for the fuel curve. The difference with a procede (and a terry tuner v2) is they clamp the o2 signal so the DME thinks its running a little leaner than it is, which triggers it to add in extra fuel.

Seems like you have it all figured out... best of luck.

[Carnage]

[ward]

I put a terry tuner on my 325 and it caught fire and shot 50 feet in the air before landing on a group of small children on a fieldtrip.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by ward

I put a terry tuner on my 325 and it caught fire and shot 50 feet in the air before landing on a group of small children on a fieldtrip.

Damn, 5th time today....

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by ward

I put a terry tuner on my 325 and it caught fire and shot 50 feet in the air before landing on a group of small children on a fieldtrip.

I put the Timmy Toaster on my 4-slice Black and Decker and now I supply toast and bagles to needy children in 7 states and the District of Columbia every morning.

[grkm3]

we have 93 oct here.If I had a 335 I would be all over the riss racing DP and terry tuner.That right there is the best bang for your buck.

The car is working within its factory safe guards also.He said it dosnt knock at all.What else do you guys want?I mean the turbo tuner or what ever its called does the same exact thing.This one cost only 65 bucks.

[OC Guy]

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by grkm3

we have 93 oct here.If I had a 335 I would be all over the riss racing DP and terry tuner.That right there is the best bang for your buck.

The car is working within its factory safe guards also.He said it dosnt knock at all.What else do you guys want?I mean the turbo tuner or what ever its called does the same exact thing.This one cost only 65 bucks.

+1!!

[purplewidow]

ok terry yeah it is a nissan 350z or a subaru sti or an evo alright...look at the quality buddy it is way more than a 30k car....car and driver and a bunch of reviews wouldn't call it the best overall car in the world if it wasn't worth the money and i will trust them over you anyday sry...they are the professionals...and why would you over pay so much for a 335 then if it is so over priced...get an evo for 4 grand less and none of the luxery or refinement then!!!

[DrewKo]

LMFAO! What a great thread. Terrence Burger. Wow, now I really feel sorry for you...explains a lot about your childish posts all over this site. You must have really gotten bruised growing up.

Back on topic...explain what potential problems users can expect with the "Terry Tuner" [P.S., change the name for Christ sake] over the life of the car.

[musc]

Originally Posted by DrewKo

LMFAO! What a great thread. Terrence Burger. Wow, now I really feel sorry for you...explains a lot about your childish posts all over this site. You must have really gotten bruised growing up.

Back on topic...explain what potential problems users can expect with the "Terry Tuner" [P.S., change the name for Christ sake] over the life of the car.

How about the ******?

[DrewKo]

Originally Posted by catm3

How about the ******?

How about T-bag Tuner? You have to know what a t-bag refers to...not pretty. The name works well though--Terrence Burger = T-bag.

[LOLrance]

Originally Posted by DrewKo

LMFAO! What a great thread. Terrence Burger. Wow, now I really feel sorry for you...explains a lot about your childish posts all over this site. You must have really gotten bruised growing up.

Back on topic...explain what potential problems users can expect with the "Terry Tuner" [P.S., change the name for Christ sake] over the life of the car.

I have nothing against the guy, dont hate him dont love him, and i could honestly care less if he started selling his terry tuner. All it is is another choice for us to choose from besides procede, tt, xede, etc.

But its pretty sad when you have to stoop to the level of making fun of a guys name and saying he was "bruised growing up". Its one thing to say he has no knowledge of tunning, but now you're just being ignorant making personal attacks on the guy.

[judec]

Originally Posted by l4wr3nc3

I have nothing against the guy, dont hate him dont love him, and i could honestly care less if he started selling his terry tuner. All it is is another choice for us to choose from besides procede, tt, xede, etc.

But its pretty sad when you have to stoop to the level of making fun of a guys name and saying he was "bruised growing up". Its one thing to say he has no knowledge of tunning, but now you're just being ignorant making personal attacks on the guy.

+1

sorry to say that, but this was really lame

pls try to stay on a certain level, where the f**k are we, in a kindergarden?

[e.n335]

Ok, we had a lot of comments now and I really don't appreciate some of them. My intension has been to prevent some unexperienced car owners from a quick and dirty tune.

Why did I say Terry has no idea what he is doing ? Well, here are the reasons:

1) Terry compares his product with the PROcede and AA Xede. This is absolutely wrong. Those piggybacks apply changed sensor values to the ECU depending on engine load and rpm to achieve power gains and reliability. They leave idling untouched. Terrys resistors are static changes and can never support such a logic.

2) Terry complains the TT is unsave and has knocking retard issues without knowing how the Turbo Tuner works. He says he has the better product for far less money. Again very unprofessional for a performance tuning product vendor. I would never behave like this without knowing what I'm talking about.

3) There is no proof about reliability or power gains of the Terry Tuner. All we have are some statements from Terry who behaves like I described in 1) and 2). And he misses no opportunity to bash somebody if he catches the chance.

I'm not a "fanboy" of Shiv. I am a very satisfied customer of the PROcede and let you know that you can't go wrong with the product. With the PROcede you get a standard map, a lower boost target map and a stock map. You can load a 10psi max. map if you want to be very careful for whatever reason. Who else provides such a selection of configurations ? I take care about what I put on my car and state whenever appropriate that I think the AA Xede is a very good product as well. I'm not a tuner but thinking about what Terry is stating, how he behaves and the fact that he is wrong has been the motivation for my warning.

Well, you can put on your engines what you like to. Don't say you didn't know if something goes wrong or does not work like you expect. Often the cheapest things can turn easily into the most expensive ones.

Cheers
Eugen

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

I always thought that Terry does his Tuner for himself, just for fun.

Now I have to see that this guy is selling the crap in the "for sale" section. Terry is not a tuner, basicly he has no idea what he is doing !

So all of you who are not that familiar to 335i performance mod's, please read briefly about available products before you install this US$ 65 mod in your US$ 50k car.

Search for PROcede, Xede, Black Box, Turbo Tuner.

Thank you.

Eugen.

[bnj]

You think Americans are funny, but they might think that Swiss are less funny - more mean...
You don't have any concrete proof of Terry's approach not being legitimate. You just Bash a guy who has been helping you all along. Nice.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by bnj

You think Americans are funny, but they might think that Swiss are less funny - more mean...
You don't have any concrete proof of Terry's approach not being legitimate. You just Bash a guy who has been helping you all along. Nice.

Might be a language issue on my side but did you read my last post ? Not hard to understand.