[Wedge1967]

Sorry but you have NO CLUE.

My apologies if think I was out of line, but it pisses me off when people say they have a theory, when they don't know what the they are talking about.

Overboost burned with his WW light on. Was 80/20 and didn't put 2x2 together until you noticed a rubber boot on his suspension was melted from the fire. He figured because his WW low level light was on his cap was snapped shut so there was no way it could have been a meth fire. Everyone thought maybe a coil pack got too hot and caught fire.

My fire was just like his, but I was fortunate. I was able to put the foam under the plastic valve cover out by pounding on the top of the cover. Don't believe me, call Chris at HPF. He was in the car with me when it happened.

People, your safety and the safety of other around you is more important than you saving a few hundred bucks to run meth from your WW tank. Honestly, I'm surprised Shiv didn't burn his car up a long time ago. I've watched him put 80/20 or 100% meth in his car and spill it all over... Then laugh as he looked to see if he was on fire and if anyone notice what he did.

I remember reading other stories about car fires and everyone was quick to say coil packs or something else caused it because it couldn't have been meth.. I didn't see the fire and I didn't have any leaks. Anyone ever see a meth fire. Let me know if you have because you're really special... You can watch the heat waves come off it while it burns without any visible flame. Looks really cool at night...

So before you go and open up with just a theory, you had better know what you're talking about. The filler cap is above the top of the tank, the filler neck goes down through the finder and plugs into the side of the tank a few inches from the bottom and has one rubber O-ring seal. At the top of the tank, you have an open vent. The vent lets the air out of the tank as you fill the tank. It also lets vapor and liquid meth out of the tank if pressure builds in the tank from heat. Ever shake a can of warm soda and put a small hole in the top? You have no foam in the tank to prevent meth from spraying out all over the inside of the fender. As it runs down the inside of the fender, it runs out onto the sub pan and pools until it runs back onto your really hot DP's. Do you know what the flash point is for Meth? After my fire, we pulled the sub pan only to find it was still wet... I filled the WW tank before driving my car to HPF in Portland. I just installed my new VRSF DPs and took Chris for a ride only to have smoke roll into the car as the foam caught on fire under the plastic valve cover. So do you have any other theories?


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Originally Posted by plague

i have a theory that the cap popping up is 90% of the meth fire situations. just take a velcro strip and make your own way of holding the cap down. oh and stop filling
up ur tank all the way. i never fill more than half at a time

[spool twice]

I posted this on the first page and will again, the WW pump itself has an internal "purge" system that will purge any extra fluid out of its pump through a dime sized slit and basically allows the fluid to be dripping into the belly pan after the pump has been activated.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Ilma

This was close enough for me.......went to a trunk mount right after and haven't looked back since.

I've actually stopped worrying about fires and my meth has been running much cooler from the trunk mount than it did from the WW.

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Good man!

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Sorry but you have NO CLUE.

My apologies if think I was out of line, but it pisses me off when people say they have a theory, when they don't know what the they are talking about.

Overboost burned with his WW light on. Was 80/20 and didn't put 2x2 together until you noticed a rubber boot on his suspension was melted from the fire. He figured because his WW low level light was on his cap was snapped shut so there was no way it could have been a meth fire. Everyone thought maybe a coil pack got too hot and caught fire.

My fire was just like his, but I was fortunate. I was able to put the foam under the plastic valve cover out by pounding on the top of the cover. Don't believe me, call Chris at HPF. He was in the car with me when it happened.

People, your safety and the safety of other around you is more important than you saving a few hundred bucks to run meth from your WW tank. Honestly, I'm surprised Shiv didn't burn his car up a long time ago. I've watched him put 80/20 or 100% meth in his car and spill it all over... Then laugh as he looked to see if he was on fire and if anyone notice what he did.

I remember reading other stories about car fires and everyone was quick to say coil packs or something else caused it because it couldn't have been meth.. I didn't see the fire and I didn't have any leaks. Anyone ever see a meth fire. Let me know if you have because you're really special... You can watch the heat waves come off it while it burns without any visible flame. Looks really cool at night...

So before you go and open up with just a theory, you had better know what you're talking about. The filler cap is above the top of the tank, the filler neck goes down through the finder and plugs into the side of the tank a few inches from the bottom and has one rubber O-ring seal. At the top of the tank, you have an open vent. The vent lets the air out of the tank as you fill the tank. It also lets vapor and liquid meth out of the tank if pressure builds in the tank from heat. Ever shake a can of warm soda and put a small hole in the top? You have no foam in the tank to prevent meth from spraying out all over the inside of the fender. As it runs down the inside of the fender, it runs out onto the sub pan and pools until it runs back onto your really hot DP's. Do you know what the flash point is for Meth? After my fire, we pulled the sub pan only to find it was still wet... I filled the WW tank before driving my car to HPF in Portland. I just installed my new VRSF DPs and took Chris for a ride only to have smoke roll into the car as the foam caught on fire under the plastic valve cover. So do you have any other theories?


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Originally Posted by spool twice

I posted this on the first page and will again, the WW pump itself has an internal "purge" system that will purge any extra fluid out of its pump through a dime sized slit and basically allows the fluid to be dripping into the belly pan after the pump has been activated.

+10000

[gzim335]

i changed tlhe cap n got the newer version,this one actually closes properly n stays closed.

[n54door]

^ Thats awesome!

I'm sure that nice new cap will save you car from catching on fire due to all the other failure points of the WW Meth system.

You should re-read this entire thread, and the other threads that validate it before you drive your car again.

[gzim335]

Originally Posted by n54door

^ Thats awesome!

I'm sure that nice new cap will save you car from catching on fire due to all the other failure points of the WW Meth system.

You should re-read this entire thread, and the other threads that validate it before you drive your car again.

doing trunk mount rite after bimmerfest but the new cap couldn't hurt for now lol

[cn555ic]

Cap is not going to solve the issue. Have you even read the things people posted? Please don't put meth in the car ride to bimmerfest. You can do without it for the ride as you already got lucky once, think of it as blessing in disguise.

[F80M]

Wondering why Shiv/Vishnu team has never said/responded anything about this issue...
They should consider of revise this to truck mount system. That's going to involve lots of recalled units in the field...

$$$$$

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by 91Octane

Wondering why Shiv/Vishnu team has never said/responded anything about this issue...
They should consider of revise this to truck mount system. That's going to involve lots of recalled units in the field...

$$$$$

If anyone needs to do a recall its BMW. What about BMS? They have a WW kit too and sell a lot more then Vishnu, just saying. I dont believe its fair to single out one producer of WW kits, when in fact they are all universal in nature anyway. The end user is ultimately responsible. The best thing we can do about the community is warn people. After-all any kit is risky to begin with, that should be understood by the consumer. The flaw isn't in the methanol kits, it's installing it in this particular windshield washer reservoir that is flawed from the factory.

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

If anyone needs to do a recall its BMW. What about BMS? They have a WW kit too and sell a lot more then Vishnu, just saying. I dont believe its fair to single out one producer of WW kits, when in fact they are all universal in nature anyway. The end user is ultimately responsible. The best thing we can do about the community is warn people. After-all any kit is risky to begin with, that should be understood by the consumer. The flaw isn't in the methanol kits, it's installing it in this particular windshield washer reservoir that is flawed from the factory.

Bringing such a largely flawed design to the attention of the community is supposed to drive the OEM into action, espically with so many documented, high-risk failures. However its unforunate that both camps are doing next to nothing and every end user is now forced to retrofit their kits in order to not have their car burn to the ground. Design flaw indeed.

[n54door]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

If anyone needs to do a recall its BMW. What about BMS? They have a WW kit too and sell a lot more then Vishnu, just saying. I dont believe its fair to single out one producer of WW kits, when in fact they are all universal in nature anyway. The end user is ultimately responsible. The best thing we can do about the community is warn people. After-all any kit is risky to begin with, that should be understood by the consumer. The flaw isn't in the methanol kits, it's installing it in this particular windshield washer reservoir that is flawed from the factory.

I agree, but I think the point is owners are using the WW system for a purpose BMW did not design it for. To say it has flaws is to say my shoes are flawed because my hands get cramps from wearing them and then ask for Nike to recall them.

Nobody is to blame but the owner. Parts will wear on all cars, including cracking plastic. This is expected. Would you ask for BMW to recall your headlights for fogging after 60k miles?

It's only an issue when you are putting flammable contents in a plastic container that wasn't designed for it. But again, this was the owners choice to use it for purposes other than it's intended purpose.