[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by vs60r

I sometime wonder if people on this forum never driven a car before. What the hell, too much power with Proceed? Afraid to spin your tire on a daily basis?

Please go take a car control/high performance driving school if that's your problem. Learn to drive smoothly and launch smoothly before even talking about modding and upgrading your wheels/tires to compensate for lack of control...

O please thats not what we saying at at. Trust me im an advanced driving teacher for BMW advanced driving in south africa and it doesnt scare me a little when my little baby wheels spin. This whole thread is about the lack of ability to get power to the road quickly without the tyres spinning and losing traction and in so doing losing launch time. No body is scared no one even mensioned being scared its only about putting the increased power to the ground correctly and unfortunatly with the procede we have amazing gains in power and torque, now i love this but an upgrade is needed in tyres to get the increased power to the ground correctly and without wheel spin, no body is scared and the guys that are saying "just apply power slowly" i want to see them doing that when they busy dragging someone it just not viable.By the time they have applied their power "SLOWLY" the car they dragging that has traction is gone :mad:
All im saying is the procede is a brilliant product and the car is very very drivable with it on and power increase is brilliant BUT if you want to take full advantage of that power you WILL need to get larger tyres.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by remydlc

it is not about knowing or not how to drive is about having the car well balanced.

Now I know that a Viper or Ferrari bring 18"/255 rear tires, those muscle cars COME equipped with the right tires according to their engine power output at difference with the 335i that we are modding.

Dude, are you telling me that If i give you an M badged car, a Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with a Prius or Yaris stock rear tires YOU ARE GOING to have CONTROL of the car? Then you should be on NASCAR and not posting things that dont make sense here!!!

Depends on what you're looking for. Your fat-ass tires will help you launch but will slow you down at higher speeds.

If you want to drag race from stoplight to stoplight, get big wide tires. If you're looking for "balance" as you say it, you'll probably be faster without them.

Dude, people are trying to help you. If you don't believe them, stick your 325-35R19 tires on the car, take it to a track and watch a good driver with 235s run circles around you. I'm not trying to be a dick. It's just silly that you believe mods will help overcome your lack of smoothness. And people are trying to help you see that.

I challenge you, seriously. Go to a driving school. You will get a different perspective once you have to give the pass signal to that pesky Mazda Miata with his skinny tires.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by ThomasMartin

O please thats not what we saying at at. Trust me im an advanced driving teacher for BMW advanced driving in south africa and it doesnt scare me a little when my little baby wheels spin. This whole thread is about the lack of ability to get power to the road quickly without the tyres spinning and losing traction and in so doing losing launch time. No body is scared no one even mensioned being scared its only about putting the increased power to the ground correctly and unfortunatly with the procede we have amazing gains in power and torque, now i love this but an upgrade is needed in tyres to get the increased power to the ground correctly and without wheel spin, no body is scared and the guys that are saying "just apply power slowly" i want to see them doing that when they busy dragging someone it just not viable.By the time they have applied their power "SLOWLY" the car they dragging that has traction is gone :mad:
All im saying is the procede is a brilliant product and the car is very very drivable with it on and power increase is brilliant BUT if you want to take full advantage of that power you WILL need to get larger tyres.

You would be a first, my man. I've never met a driving school instructor, advanced or not, who likes the drag strip. All the driving instructors I know salivate at the thought of curves, not straights.

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

You would be a first, my man. I've never met a driving school instructor, advanced or not, who likes the drag strip. All the driving instructors I know salivate at the thought of curves, not straights.

Well there is a first for everything. The cars i dont pay for i love throwing around the track. But my car i pay for with money from my pocket i would never put on the track i see the damage an average day on the track can cause your car and i love my 335. I love driving it and when i need full power on the road i want to be able to get it to the road properly without having to hold my foot back when applying petrol.How often do you do 250km on the street and thats where 99% of us spend all our time, maybe 1% of the time on the track! so bring your skinny little tyre car next to me on the road and spin away while im 3 cars ahead of you cause i have proper traction and if we ever hit top speed i welcome you to pass me but we both know its not gonna happen unless you enjoying that 1% you on the track. Everyone talks about " go put fat tyres on and see a proper driver kill you around the track" dunno if any of you have realised that the 335 ISNT a track car if you want to fly around the track go buy an M3 and my advice from experience use someone else's M3 not the one you paying for cause it wont last very long and BMW wont replace damaged parts under warrenty.

[DrDomer]

It seems unlikely you instruct at a driving school, but if you do I am surprised by some of your comments. Most instructors or people that spend a significant amount of time on a track like the twisties and are bored by going straight fast. Most instructors have either driven or ridden in a car with gobs more HP and torque than a 335i, and have had their acceleration thrill filled to the max. So they get their thrills from braking, turning in just right, or getting great speed out of a corner. I'll also beg to differ that the 335i isn't a track car. It certainly is fun to drive on a track.


As for tires... 99% of us like to go fast for little bursts, and very few of us sit at lights or on back streets repeatedly launching their car to try to get the best 0-60 time. If your goal is to drag race or maximize your launch then get some 265's... whatever. Otherwise, the stock runflats are plenty good.

[leftcoastman]

I agree that his comments are very suspect. The drag strip is far "tougher" on the car than the road course, where you only wear out brake pads and tires. I haven't seen a road course driver powershift or suddenly load the drivetrain like a drag strip driver.

Secondly, I drive cars at the track that I enjoy driving at the track, not because the marketing folks tell me I should or should not.

Do you consider the Miata a track car? dinky little 1xx HP car with no roof. Well, it's one of the most fun car tracks you can drive - there's even a whole race series based on it.

Dude - like DrDomer, I find your comments very suspect for a track instructor. In fact, suspect for someone who claims to have been on a track at all.

But it's cool - different strokes.

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Dude, people are trying to help you. If you don't believe them, stick your 325-35R19 tires on the car, take it to a track and watch a good driver with 235s run circles around you. I'm not trying to be a dick. It's just silly that you believe mods will help overcome your lack of smoothness. And people are trying to help you see that.

I challenge you, seriously. Go to a driving school. You will get a different perspective once you have to give the pass signal to that pesky Mazda Miata with his skinny tires.

I never said I wanted the procede to drag or anything like that, I just simply ask for an advice of those who have had the procede with the stock wheels and how difficult (IF AT ALL) was to handle the increased power with such wheels, I never said I Would not know how to handle or if I'd would need driving classes before getting the Procede because I don't.

I've seen lot of ppl with procede that have changed their wheels, even when they test drove Vishnu's 335i at Edmunds.com they said they had trouble no spinning they wheels (I think they are pro drivers) So basically my question was "would you get away getting procede and using the stocks wheels?" and most of the ppl who comment got the questions and I thank them for that but few thinks that I or ppl who commented just don't know how to drive.

I see there is ppl here that think because the go to a drag strip or street race are better drivers that those who don't, Give me a brake!!!, ppl like that have to go to a "How to be a man" or "how to stop being childish" school. Remember having a doubt of something does not mean you don't know the subject.

[sflgator]

It's all very simple...

A stock 335i with the oem stock RFTs can produce some wheel/tire spin, but for the most part, it's not all that bad. Add the PRocede to your 335i, and your wheel/tire spin on the oem stock RFTs is basically to the point of being unacceptable (especially if you want a decent launch); the huge increase in WHP and RWTQ causes the oem RFTs to spin way too much.

If you switch the oem stock RFTs for non-RFTs (especially if you get larger, wider wheels/tires for a bigger contact patch), your wheel/tire spin will decrease significantly. Personally, I am extremely pleased that I made the decision to get new 19" wheels and Michelin PS2 non-RFTs...even when I launch with DTC on from M1 at 1,500rpm, I hardly get any wheel/tire spin in my PRocede 335i. When I still had my oem 18" wheels and Bridgestone RFTs (just after I got the PROcede), I couldn't get a decent launch due to those damn RFTs just spinning in M1.

Now, just imagine what it will be like with PRocede v2.0? :rocks: My suggestion is to just get non-RFTs and you'll be a lot happier.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by remydlc

I never said I wanted the procede to drag or anything like that, I just simply ask for an advice of those who have had the procede with the stock wheels and how difficult (IF AT ALL) was to handle the increased power with such wheels, I never said I Would not know how to handle or if I'd would need driving classes before getting the Procede because I don't.

I've seen lot of ppl with procede that have changed their wheels, even when they test drove Vishnu's 335i at Edmunds.com they said they had trouble no spinning they wheels (I think they are pro drivers) So basically my question was "would you get away getting procede and using the stocks wheels?" and most of the ppl who comment got the questions and I thank them for that but few thinks that I or ppl who commented just don't know how to drive.

I see there is ppl here that think because the go to a drag strip or street race are better drivers that those who don't, Give me a brake!!!, ppl like that have to go to a "How to be a man" or "how to stop being childish" school. Remember having a doubt of something does not mean you don't know the subject.

I was responding to someone else. But to answer your question directly, I think you will spin if you fully launch from a stop in 1st gear.

If you do that with a stock Z06, that will happen.
If you do that with a stock 911 GT3, that will happen.
If you do that with a stock Elise, that will happen.

That will happen with a Procede 335i also. You can never get rid of it completely and if you did, other aspects of performance would suffer greatly.

Launching hard in first gear is difficult, there is no doubt. But once you're above 60mph, there is rarely a problem.

If all you care about is launching from a stop, then by all means get fat tires.

There is no free lunch and it will likely reduce your total balance and ability to go fast in all conditions.

Hope this helps.

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by sflgator

It's all very simple...

A stock 335i with the oem stock RFTs can produce some wheel/tire spin, but for the most part, it's not all that bad. Add the PRocede to your 335i, and your wheel/tire spin on the oem stock RFTs is basically to the point of being unacceptable (especially if you want a decent launch); the huge increase in WHP and RWTQ causes the oem RFTs to spin way too much.

If you switch the oem stock RFTs for non-RFTs (especially if you get larger, wider wheels/tires for a bigger contact patch), your wheel/tire spin will decrease significantly. Personally, I am extremely pleased that I made the decision to get new 19" wheels and Michelin PS2 non-RFTs...even when I launch with DTC on from M1 at 1,500rpm, I hardly get any wheel/tire spin in my PRocede 335i. When I still had my oem 18" wheels and Bridgestone RFTs (just after I got the PROcede), I couldn't get a decent launch due to those damn RFTs just spinning in M1.

Now, just imagine what it will be like with PRocede v2.0? :rocks: My suggestion is to just get non-RFTs and you'll be a lot happier.

+1 Thank you someone with true knowledge i fully agree with you

[vs60r]

Ok, how about a little perspective.

I do happen to have my fun on the street as well as the track. I have no problem dragging my car with Procede on the stock runflat summer tires on the street. Yes it took a bit used to to find the sweet spot especially considering I owned all AWD cars for the last 10 years or so, but I don't have problem launching it after getting used to it.

On the track, the car with stock runflat summer tires runs great with Procede installed, since you are an instructor, you know that driving smooth is what you need on the track. And Procede (at least 1.45) is definitely not overpowering for the stock runflat summer tires that came with the sports package...

[Thomasz126]

If you drive manual, then work on your techniques. The car can pull off some nice 0-60 times if launched properly.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

I was responding to someone else. But to answer your question directly, I think you will spin if you fully launch from a stop in 1st gear.

If you do that with a stock Z06, that will happen.
If you do that with a stock 911 GT3, that will happen.
If you do that with a stock Elise, that will happen.

That will happen with a Procede 335i also. You can never get rid of it completely and if you did, other aspects of performance would suffer greatly.

Launching hard in first gear is difficult, there is no doubt. But once you're above 60mph, there is rarely a problem.

If all you care about is launching from a stop, then by all means get fat tires.

There is no free lunch and it will likely reduce your total balance and ability to go fast in all conditions.

Hope this helps.

Semi-agree with spinning on the Elise...it may spin a little off the line but that's it. The OEM tires are sticky and the car weighs nothing. (It's good to have a brother-in-law that owns an Elise

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by 335lvr

Semi-agree with spinning on the Elise...it may spin a little off the line but that's it. The OEM tires are sticky and the car weighs nothing. (It's good to have a brother-in-law that owns an Elise

With all due respect, that wasn't my point.

[jbake]

I've heard your stock wheels will fly off when you put the procede on.

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by vs60r

Ok, how about a little perspective.

I do happen to have my fun on the street as well as the track. I have no problem dragging my car with Procede on the stock runflat summer tires on the street. Yes it took a bit used to to find the sweet spot especially considering I owned all AWD cars for the last 10 years or so, but I don't have problem launching it after getting used to it.

On the track, the car with stock runflat summer tires runs great with Procede installed, since you are an instructor, you know that driving smooth is what you need on the track. And Procede (at least 1.45) is definitely not overpowering for the stock runflat summer tires that came with the sports package...

Some people just dont read before they answer! I never said anything about the tyres on the track, they handle very well on the track and as you obviously stated driving smoothly is the most important thing. Read my statements again please, i was only talking about street driving
and launching and even if you drive at like 40km/h and floor the car you will start spinning so no matter how slow you launch you will spin the wheels if you dont you must have less power then me on 95oct petrol. All im sayng is that the car has a load more traction when you get bigger tyres and with the extra power and torque you need them to get the power to the road as fast as possible as this is important when launching. And for those guys who launch at the drag strip it is very different because you have loads of tractions there as the strip is designed for traction. Just to finish off i state again for many people who dont read!!!" Im not talking about track driving im talking about road driving, and i dont care how well you launch if you are parked next to another 335 with a decent driver in it and he has larger tyres he will take you on the launch and no body can argue that :rocks: especially with both cars running the procede and 95oct petrol.

[Tuned335i]

Originally Posted by sflgator

It's all very simple...

A stock 335i with the oem stock RFTs can produce some wheel/tire spin, but for the most part, it's not all that bad. Add the PRocede to your 335i, and your wheel/tire spin on the oem stock RFTs is basically to the point of being unacceptable (especially if you want a decent launch); the huge increase in WHP and RWTQ causes the oem RFTs to spin way too much.

If you switch the oem stock RFTs for non-RFTs (especially if you get larger, wider wheels/tires for a bigger contact patch), your wheel/tire spin will decrease significantly. Personally, I am extremely pleased that I made the decision to get new 19" wheels and Michelin PS2 non-RFTs...even when I launch with DTC on from M1 at 1,500rpm, I hardly get any wheel/tire spin in my PRocede 335i. When I still had my oem 18" wheels and Bridgestone RFTs (just after I got the PROcede), I couldn't get a decent launch due to those damn RFTs just spinning in M1.

Now, just imagine what it will be like with PRocede v2.0? :rocks: My suggestion is to just get non-RFTs and you'll be a lot happier.

Originally Posted by ThomasMartin

+1 Thank you someone with true knowledge i fully agree with you

:rocks: +1

19" Michelin PS2 P265-30R19 in the back solves a lot of problems. Still spin a little with V1.47 but that's what you need for a decent launch. I wouldn't trade them for anything. Absolutely love them.

[vs60r]

Originally Posted by ThomasMartin

Some people just dont read before they answer! I never said anything about the tyres on the track, they handle very well on the track and as you obviously stated driving smoothly is the most important thing. Read my statements again please, i was only talking about street driving
and launching and even if you drive at like 40km/h and floor the car you will start spinning so no matter how slow you launch you will spin the wheels if you dont you must have less power then me on 95oct petrol. All im sayng is that the car has a load more traction when you get bigger tyres and with the extra power and torque you need them to get the power to the road as fast as possible as this is important when launching. And for those guys who launch at the drag strip it is very different because you have loads of tractions there as the strip is designed for traction. Just to finish off i state again for many people who dont read!!!" Im not talking about track driving im talking about road driving, and i dont care how well you launch if you are parked next to another 335 with a decent driver in it and he has larger tyres he will take you on the launch and no body can argue that :rocks: especially with both cars running the procede and 95oct petrol.

You did actually read the first part of my reply right? If not, I invite you to re-read again before running your mouth off about others not reading.

I do launch on the street, all the time. Is there tire spin? Yes of course. But then again, if you are "LAUNCHING" the car that hard without Procede, you will spin your tires good as well...

I never said bigger wheels/better tires will not help lessen spin, I didn't think anyone here needs to state the obvious.

But in my opinion, they are not neccessary for a street car that drags stop light to stop light for fun...

[2007_E93]

Originally Posted by remydlc

it is not about knowing or not how to drive is about having the car well balanced.

Now I know that a Viper or Ferrari bring 18"/255 rear tires, those muscle cars COME equipped with the right tires according to their engine power output at difference with the 335i that we are modding.

Dude, are you telling me that If i give you an M badged car, a Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with a Prius or Yaris stock rear tires YOU ARE GOING to have CONTROL of the car? Then you should be on NASCAR and not posting things that dont make sense here!!!

You honestly equate the Potenza RE050A with stock Prius and Yari tires?....even if they are runflats they are better than whatever a Prius comes with. Then get new tires if you're worried and don't ask the question that sounds like you've answered yourself to your own liking. If you didn't want our opinions then don't ask!

[2007_E93]

I too agree with others who have posted to get the BEST traction no-rft's are better and maybe even the PS2's or some other tire of choice but the question is do you have to change them? NO,... IMHO. Is it better?...YES. Can you control it without changing the stock tires?...YES. Does it take practice?...YES. Is it easy?...NO but doable with practice. Does that answer your question?

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by 2007_E93

You honestly equate the Potenza RE050A with stock Prius and Yari tires?....even if they are runflats they are better than whatever a Prius comes with. Then get new tires if you're worried and don't ask the question that sounds like you've answered yourself to your own liking. If you didn't want our opinions then don't ask!

The REO50As run-flats are so bad that when tested on a track...they beat out the NON-runflat Michelin PS2s.

As I've always stated - if you wanna street race a'la Fast n da Furious, then by all means get the big tires.

[2007_E93]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

The REO50As run-flats are so bad that when tested on a track...they beat out the NON-runflat Michelin PS2s.

As I've always stated - if you wanna street race a'la Fast n da Furious, then by all means get the big tires.

I'm only aware of tests showing these tires to be "middle of the pack" compared to other similar competing tires. But they gotta be better than a Prius's stock tires. I never said they were the best tires around.

BTW your post reads that the RE050 is better than PS2's is that what you meant?

Edit: Oh I get it....I agree with you Leftcoastman....