[kaji335i]

Originally Posted by psu139

I currently have the UR downpipes and v1.47 and when I installed the downpipes (high flow cats) I did feel like I lost power as well. I personally don't think these downpipes are more restrictive and I think that we will see more power with a tune for the downpipes. My only question would be why would we lose power. I will have an eisenmann meisterschaft on the way and V2 hopefully coming soon. I'll let you know how this changes things. btw I only use shell 93oct from the same gas station.

Boost creep and spiking? Just a guess tho.

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Well, a map for certain products would need one of the following:

1. Shiv goes buy the particular product, tunes it himself, and releases the map..
2. The manufacturer gives Shiv the product, Shiv tunes it, and releases the map..
3. The end user buys the product, goes to Shiv, Shiv tunes it, and releases the map.

I don't see how you can have a specific map without one of the above. Correct me if I am wrong.

If the NYCGarbage didn't drive to AA and get a dyno tune, would he of been able to post these type of results? I'm not one to say one is better than another without giving both the fair shake, which means, OP go to Shiv's shop, get a tune like you did at AA.

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

#3 was attempted, # 1 or 2 were promised, and never delivered

Originally Posted by OC 335i

#3 was attempted? No where did NYCGarbage state he went to Shiv. Shiv is on the other coast, you saying he went to California to get a tune?

#1 & #2 - Unrealistic. I don't see Shiv buying other people's products just to make a custom map for free.

I think you aren't comprehending what I typed.

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

#3 was by another member

unrealistic? i dont give 2 shits if its unrealistic, he said he was going to

Originally Posted by OC 335i

#3 - Link pls?

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

dude w/ the cartman avatar tried, i am not so inclined to go searching for it and this is a bit farther OT then i would like to go

this request was made by me, and one other member on this forum that i can recall. Please see post # 63 for Shiv's response.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...om+tune&page=3


i really don't see a problem with it, to ship my car over there is about a grand, and same coming back, not to mention it probably means spending about 6 weeks carless. but it would have to be done after every single mod has been done. I don't about everyone else, but you really would have to take your car seriously though.

[Beer Goggles]

This is the problem with "blanket" tunes and why everybody arguing about which 'resistor' is better. Real piggybacks allow them to be tuned to the car. So know we have to ask every piggyback for "my mod map?"

This is why if you're going to run any of them it's probably best to stay how they developed the system...stock.

Without the ability to tune to cars all this "X versus Y" crap is just that...crap.

I've seen this countless times in the 350Z community of people Grand Tourismo adding their power gains and realistically losing power. Example, headers on the Z yield little to no power gain, yet where about $1000 to install. The most expensive worthless mod, even more so without tuning.

[Mr. 5]

FYI, I'm going to try AA's downpipe software with their Xede to see if there's any noticable difference.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by 7imothy1

I don't see why you need a custom tune for the DPs in the first place. The wideband is still correcting the A/F ratio, the graph looks the same as before the DPs, boost seems consistent. The only variable here is whether the DPs make power in the first place. I went back and looked at your thread where you dynoed the procede and it looks like it was adjusting itself down to minimize knock. You listed the 333hp run as the peak, but that was the first run, and the 317hp run is probably more realistic. If you took your DPs off, you'd probably dyno around 320hp again. The heat soak argument doesn't make sense. The DPs are probably worth 5-10hp. I don't know what you were expecting, but that doesn't seem unreasonable.

Well, It will be interesting to see if the AA tune will make a difference. A few people have made the argument about the different temperature, but I used the corrected factors which accomodate for different heat, humidity, etc. Whehter or not the tune will help, I still have a 30 day trial.

I've only talked to one person that has the tune and he said that there is a noticable difference. I guess I'll find out if it's a mental difference or an actual gain in power.

[Evo8MRto335I]

No comments from UR shop?

[E90Russ]

That sucks man. Perhaps the stock ones are better? Or are you pretty sure it just has to do with the tune?

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Evo8MRto335I

No comments from UR shop?

Nope. They only posted in the thread where there was an increase.
I contacted UR before my runs to see if they wanted to pitch in a little bit for the runs because I thought they would really like to know since their graphs only show the stock runs.
I got a response back from them saying, "haha, nice try."
I thought that response was a little on the dickish side, but now that I know the results, I'm sure they already knew what the outcome was going to be--no gain.

Edit

Well, it looks as though my times at the track turned out to be pretty good, so I think the less back pressure really is helping.
Here's a couple slips from Irwindale:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82386

[Ado]

Interesting Less HP = Better times at the track. I should try taking my Van to the track next time hehe

On a side note, I really think we need to have UR and Shiv at the very least come in and answer some of the questions that were asked. I was actually waiting for your numbers Mr. 5 or should I say 4 now hehe to see if i was going to go with the UR downpipes.

The funny thing is, I asked them the same question or at least similar question about doing the tests on a PROCeded car and they never even replied. I am really close by their shop so I could have just picked it up and installed it the same day... I think you're right though, they already knew the results.

Let us know how that AA map turns out, I'd really love to know what the HP gains would be even to the point where I'd chip in for you to do another dyno after you get it installed.

[jon@themshop]

Originally Posted by Ado

Interesting Less HP = Better times at the track. I should try taking my Van to the track next time hehe

On a side note, I really think we need to have UR and Shiv at the very least come in and answer some of the questions that were asked. I was actually waiting for your numbers Mr. 5 or should I say 4 now hehe to see if i was going to go with the UR downpipes.

The funny thing is, I asked them the same question or at least similar question about doing the tests on a PROCeded car and they never even replied. I am really close by their shop so I could have just picked it up and installed it the same day... I think you're right though, they already knew the results.

Let us know how that AA map turns out, I'd really love to know what the HP gains would be even to the point where I'd chip in for you to do another dyno after you get it installed.

The weather in SoCA tonight has cooled down a lot compared to last weekend and last weeks super hot weather.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by jon@themshop

The weather in SoCA tonight has cooled down a lot compared to last weekend and last weeks super hot weather.

True. That could have been a big factor for the better times.
Regardless, I still like my 60 foot.:rocks:

pardon me for the noob question, but is there an exhaust map available for the procede?

[Riss Racing]

Originally Posted by that guy nico

pardon me for the noob question, but is there an exhaust map available for the procede?

Yes an exhaust map. Not a DP map.

[Ultimate Racing]

That's not fair. Firstly, I thought it was a bit humorous to reply back with "haha, nice try". I have a good relationship with many of my customers and figured you'd take it as a joke. We get asked all the time for freebies, sponsors, etc.

As for knowing the outcome, we didn't. Our results we posted are the only tests we've ever done with the downpipes. I challenge anyone to do the same test as us (everything stock + ultimate racing downpipes). I assure you the results will be similar to ours. We don't even own a Procede. We'd like to, but that's a whole other story all together. Anyone that has ever asked about compatibility was always given the same answer "We're not sure. That's probably a better question for Vishnu".

Darryl
www.ultimate-racing.com

[Ado]

Darryl,

Since probably about 80% of us who will end up buying your downpipes will have PROCede or something else. And since you yourself forward your customers to Vishnu, what if anything have you done to ensure Vishnu has your downpipes so that he can make the tweak?

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by Ultimate Racing

That's not fair. Firstly, I thought it was a bit humorous to reply back with "haha, nice try". I have a good relationship with many of my customers and figured you'd take it as a joke. We get asked all the time for freebies, sponsors, etc.

As for knowing the outcome, we didn't. Our results we posted are the only tests we've ever done with the downpipes. I challenge anyone to do the same test as us (everything stock + ultimate racing downpipes). I assure you the results will be similar to ours. We don't even own a Procede. We'd like to, but that's a whole other story all together. Anyone that has ever asked about compatibility was always given the same answer "We're not sure. That's probably a better question for Vishnu".

Darryl
www.ultimate-racing.com

I havent been keeping up with the details of this thread but all of the guys here agree that Ultimate Racing did a good job with their downpipes.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

There is NO EXHAUST MAP for procede..period. There is 1.47 and LBT which "Should" work. Some have had sucess, others have not. I am one that did not. I still stand behind the fact that procede is a good product. It just was not working with my set up. AA tuned my car the way it needed to be. No problems since, keep in mind custom tunes are always the way to go. Baseline maps are never a smart way to tune your car if you want to continue modding.

[Ultimate Racing]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

I havent been keeping up with the details of this thread but all of the guys here agree that Ultimate Racing did a good job with their downpipes.

That means a lot coming from you guys. Thank you!

Darryl
www.ultimate-racing.com

[Ultimate Racing]

Originally Posted by Ado

Darryl,

Since probably about 80% of us who will end up buying your downpipes will have PROCede or something else. And since you yourself forward your customers to Vishnu, what if anything have you done to ensure Vishnu has your downpipes so that he can make the tweak?

I don't "forward" my customers to Vishnu. What I do is point them in the right direction because I don't know the answer to their question.

Darryl
www.ultimate-racing.com

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Ado

Darryl,

Since probably about 80% of us who will end up buying your downpipes will have PROCede or something else. And since you yourself forward your customers to Vishnu, what if anything have you done to ensure Vishnu has your downpipes so that he can make the tweak?

+1

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

+1

+1,000,000

We've all been looking for this for awhile now, please make it happen. Its in everyone best interest.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

I havent been keeping up with the details of this thread but all of the guys here agree that Ultimate Racing did a good job with their downpipes.

I don't think anyone said that they did a bad job. In fact, I think they did a great job. But, let's really think this through...In the modding world, what are the odds that a person would put on downpipes that wouldn't put a piggyback on or some sort of program? I would say close to none. Yet, manufacturers only show gains over stock.

Riss Racing also only showed gains on a stock car when I know for a fact that they do have a procede to test out. So, why did they choose the stock graph? Well, you know why.