[themyst]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

A car running a flash only tune when the IAT's gets too hot the DME will start to pull timing based on its IAT comp tables

For a piggyback, the DME never sees true boost, so when IAT's get out of control it has more "tolerance" for pulling timing. It will pull less timing as opposed to a flash only tune

boost has nothing to do with the IAT-based compensation table. IAT is not manipulated by the piggyback.

perhaps Terry lowered the tolerances of the compensation table which PTF did not yet do. I'm sure it'll be coming in a future revision for you

[import36]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Just to confirm, you are comparing a FBO, DCT car with a custom e30 tune to a completely stock 6AT car running an 91oct OTS flash?

yet this puts things into "perspective" for some people. weird...

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by themyst

boost has nothing to do with the IAT-based compensation table. IAT is not manipulated by the piggyback.

perhaps Terry lowered the tolerances of the compensation table which PTF did not yet do. I'm sure it'll be coming in a future revision for you

Yes, he did imply thats what he did with the BMS back end flash. Btw I never mentioned anything about piggyback having anything to do with manipulating IATs

I have watched the DME pull timing and increase boost when IAT's got hot in order to meet load target, and in some cases seen it barely pull timing but decrease boost in order to meet load target under high IATs. The IAT comp tables are not the only tables the DME uses to factor load target IMO

On a stand alone piggyback thats only allowing the DME to see 8 PSI when in fact its doing 20 PSI with 10 degree timing with high IATs the DME will have more tolerance in pulling timing vs a tune only that the DME actually sees 20 PSI with 10 degree timing it will be more aggressive towards.

Its just plain observation of watching the characteristic of the DME.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Yes, he did imply thats what he did with the BMS back end flash. Btw I never mentioned anything about piggyback having anything to do with manipulating IATs

the whole point of mentioning that was to clarify the piggyback does not make the car less knock prone than your flash tune.

furthermore, neither car is less knock prone than the other in regards to tuning solutions. could be that E70 blend more so than the tune.

just wanted to clear up some misinformation on your end.

[Wedge1967]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

A car running a flash only tune when the IAT's gets too hot the DME will start to pull timing based on its IAT comp tables

For a piggyback, the DME never sees true boost, so when IAT's get out of control it has more "tolerance" for pulling timing. It will pull less timing as opposed to a flash only tune

Most people are quick to judge and down play Vishnu for, well Shiv...

I sold my PROcede and my COBB... I'm now running a OFT custom Stg II meth and I can say I have a long way to go to get back to the 450 whp I was running with my PROcede, but people need to understand how much time goes into making OTS maps that will work for the vast majority of cars. Then to top that off, how much more time you need to invest in tuning it out just for your specific car so you can maximize the performance.

The true limiting factor to our cars is the mods we select, not the tune.

It's only a matter of time before we start seeing some good numbers from the OFT guys. It will be fun to say the least. Never get tired of the friendly competition.

What I do get tired of is listing to the BS from the people who don't do anything on this form but yet want to flame and pass judgement as if they really have an opinion. You want to have an opinion, get out their and race like we do and try multiple tunes. At the end of the day, it will change your opinion and you won't be as quick to flame another tune or tuner.

Keep the video's rolling bro... Never get tired of watching those stupid quick launches. That's got to be the best feeling in the world when she hooks up and pulls car lengths on the comp.

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by E90Company

OP beat a Procede DCT car with more bolt ons than him. I think that competition is fair.

As usual spreading the BS

I have - Procede, VRSF Downpipes Exhaust and FMIC 93 octane

BuraQ - Cobb E30 tune, Downpipes (catted i believe), axle back exhaust, fmic and afe stage 2 intake 50/50 e85/93 octane

No one was doubting buraQ would win we were just running for shits and giggles unlike you who got called out by RNM and pussied out by saying u're just there to spectate.

[TurboSid]

As BuraQ mentioned, I reached out a couple of times to see if the Procede will support E85 tunes for DCT cars and was shot down.

Now I'm waiting to see whether I go OFT or Cobb V3 as my next tune depending on how results look on others' cars.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Most people are quick to judge and down play Vishnu for, well Shiv...

I sold my PROcede and my COBB... I'm now running a OFT custom Stg II meth and I can say I have a long way to go to get back to the 450 whp I was running with my PROcede, but people need to understand how much time goes into making OTS maps that will work for the vast majority of cars. Then to top that off, how much more time you need to invest in tuning it out just for your specific car so you can maximize the performance.

The true limiting factor to our cars is the mods we select, not the tune.

It's only a matter of time before we start seeing some good numbers from the OFT guys. It will be fun to say the least. Never get tired of the friendly competition.

What I do get tired of is listing to the BS from the people who don't do anything on this form but yet want to flame and pass judgement as if they really have an opinion. You want to have an opinion, get out their and race like we do and try multiple tunes. At the end of the day, it will change your opinion and you won't be as quick to flame another tune or tuner.

Keep the video's rolling bro... Never get tired of watching those stupid quick launches. That's got to be the best feeling in the world when she hooks up and pulls car lengths on the comp.

you know, OFT and OS guys are pretty much on the same team here. hard to be against Shiv when we are using the same tuning solutions.

FYI I actually ran a Procede for a long time. boost control is the best on it even today. other issues prevent me from making it a strong recommendation.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

I would cut BuraQ some slack on this one. I am not a fan of his new record of the day posts, but he has paid dues & money to try a number of different approaches for the 335is. Any bit of info good or not so good about the different systems is useful. The Open Flash tablet has been heavily hyped so its interesting to see what it actually does at the track & not just the keyboard.

I am also encouraged by mdyates 11.829 and best trap of 118.18 with a pure stock tune only, RFT, 335is. His only mod is the JB4/ISO & the BMS backend flash. What is important to me is just a short way down the road I will be able to flash the BMS tune from my laptop using the freeware project now in beta.

Its also a nice demo that a lot of the stuff being sold is not necessary to get under 12 seconds.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

I would cut BuraQ some slack on this one. I am not a fan of his new record of the day posts, but he has paid dues & money to try a number of different approaches for the 335is. Any bit of info good or not so good about the different systems is useful. The Open Flash tablet has been heavily hyped so its interesting to see what it actually does at the track & not just the keyboard.

I am also encouraged by mdyates 11.829 and best trap of 118.18 with a pure stock tune only, RFT, 335is. His only mod is the JB4/ISO & the BMS backend flash. What is important to me is just a short way down the road I will be able to flash the BMS tune from my laptop using the freeware project now in beta.

Its also a nice demo that a lot of the stuff being sold is not necessary to get under 12 seconds.

a lot of the stuff being sold puts less stress on components and allow the car to perform more consistently run over run.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

As usual spreading the BS

I have - Procede, VRSF Downpipes Exhaust and FMIC 93 octane

BuraQ - Cobb E30 tune, Downpipes (catted i believe), axle back exhaust, fmic and afe stage 2 intake 50/50 e85/93 octane

No one was doubting buraQ would win we were just running for shits and giggles unlike you who got called out by RNM and pussied out by saying u're just there to spectate.

Fair enough, I don't know how agressive your tuning is. By "more bolt ons" I mean full catless exhaust (BuraQ has 4) and better intercooler with regards to flow.

As far as getting "called out", I have a dying LP fuel pump leaning out on pump gas. Also you should know I don't track my car.

[badass335]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

I did a 12.1 @ 117 with a 2.1 60' , 85 degrees, 70% humidity, 1900+ DA with only 5-7 degree timing. My usual 14 degree timing got pulled due to the heat soak I was having waiting in line.

It was a PTF E40 base starter map, I am now on E50

That's not bad!! Congrats! What tires are you running?

[ASAP]

If you are an MT or DCT car, your flash options at the moment are solid. PTF trapped 123 in a 6mt 335is... May I also point out that was one of the smoothest and solid tunes I have ever felt.

Unfortunately, for the 6ATs, your best bet is a stack... a flash only 6AT will get ran on by a piggied and flash car due to one fatal issue that no flash only setup can currently fix.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by badass335

That's not bad!! Congrats! What tires are you running?

PSS 275 on the rears

[themyst]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If you are an MT or DCT car, your flash options at the moment are solid. PTF trapped 123 in a 6mt 335is... May I also point out that was one of the smoothest and solid tunes I have ever felt.

Unfortunately, for the 6ATs, your best bet is a stack... a flash only 6AT will get ran on by a piggied and flash car due to one fatal issue that no flash only setup can currently fix.

^

thank you someone with the voice of reason, although the issue isnt nearly as bad on I8A0S cars.

[Wedge1967]

Originally Posted by themyst

you know, OFT and OS guys are pretty much on the same team here. hard to be against Shiv when we are using the same tuning solutions.

FYI I actually ran a Procede for a long time. boost control is the best on it even today. other issues prevent me from making it a strong recommendation.

Yes, 100% agree. The tune is only part of the puzzle though. I have both the OFT and OS. But I won't be dumping my OFT because I still need it for logs.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Yes, 100% agree. The tune is only part of the puzzle though. I have both the OFT and OS. But I won't be dumping my OFT because I still need it for logs.

BT cable can log as far as I know. its a PITA though.

[Wedge1967]

Originally Posted by themyst

BT cable can log as far as I know. its a PITA though.

Yeah, but the cable I'm using belongs to a friend who doesn't use it anymore and it's already VIN locked to three cars... So it's really only good for reading the bin file and flashing.

Nice thing about the OFT is it will log any car so I can do base line and after flash performance logs if anyone in the PNW is interested in getting a quick performance bump.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Yeah, but the cable I'm using belongs to a friend who doesn't use it anymore and it's already VIN locked to three cars... So it's really only good for reading the bin file and flashing.

Nice thing about the OFT is it will log any car so I can do base line and after flash performance logs if anyone in the PNW is interested in getting a quick performance bump.

from what I hear, the OFT cant log everything defined in the XDF. would make dialing in boost control (mostly throttle closures) a chore, if not impossible. please correct me if im wrong.

the BT cable can't do that either; Cobb still reigns supreme in that regard.

[deltalima0]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If you are an MT or DCT car, your flash options at the moment are solid. PTF trapped 123 in a 6mt 335is... May I also point out that was one of the smoothest and solid tunes I have ever felt.

Unfortunately, for the 6ATs, your best bet is a stack... a flash only 6AT will get ran on by a piggied and flash car due to one fatal issue that no flash only setup can currently fix.

Stack is what fixed my issues, 6AT 07 build.

[335_MI6]

Kinda makes me sad that I'm not in FL anymore

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

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